Welche the crab Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Gold Sarc removes Damsel from play. Leviair summons Damsel from removed from play. This seems fairly straightforward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Edit my most recent post w/Giga-Weevil explaination. TGU would target TGU or Sangan or the soon to be Tour Bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1323897717' post='5706936'] You banish Damsel for Gold Sarc and insta-revive it. [/quote] I just figured that out. But aren't both Mantis and Weevil once per turn? And what "once per turn" effect are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 [quote name='Charlotte The Witch' timestamp='1323897800' post='5706943'] I just figured that out. But aren't both Mantis and Weevil once per turn? And what "once per turn" effect are you talking about? [/quote] Let me say it more simply. You will want to ss with Giga-Mantis. But you cannot for one reason or another. So you use Weevil instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 [quote name='Charlotte The Witch' timestamp='1323897800' post='5706943'] I just figured that out. But aren't both Mantis and Weevil once per turn? And what "once per turn" effect are you talking about? [/quote] Both say "You can only activate the effect of *insert monster here* once per turn", meaning that SS effect. Running both allows you to use the SS effect up to twice per turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Also Gigamantis can't ss itself, but Weevil can ss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 [quote name='GreigaBeastDS' timestamp='1323897931' post='5706947'] Let me say it more simply. You will want to ss with Giga-Mantis. But you cannot for one reason or another. So you use Weevil instead. [/quote][quote name='GreigaBeastDS' timestamp='1323898037' post='5706956'] Also Gigamantis can't ss itself, but Weevil can ss it. [/quote] How? Once again, explain as simply and clearly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 How what? If you want to get Giga-Mantis out of the grave either for a beatstick or to overlay you would use Weevil to ss it. Weevil and Mantis have the same effect but also the same restrictions so you use one to get around the other. Just go test Weevil @1 if nothing we say makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 [quote name='Charlotte The Witch' timestamp='1323898082' post='5706958'] How? Once again, explain as simply and clearly as possible. [/quote] When Mantis is sent to the Graveyard, it cannot summon another Mantis. Therefore, running an extra Mantis in the deck is stupid and inefficient. Weevil can bypass this restriction, so a copy of it can be run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1323898317' post='5706965'] When Mantis is sent to the Graveyard, it cannot summon another Mantis. Therefore, running an extra Mantis in the deck is stupid and inefficient. Weevil can bypass this restriction, so a copy of it can be run. [/quote] Oh. What about 2 of each? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Rai has it the simplest. Memorize his post. 2 of each would be cloggy and unnessecary, because both are only once per turn. I say 2 Gigamants so you can easily explode turn one and the other is there for backup or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 [quote name='Charlotte The Witch' timestamp='1323898359' post='5706970'] Oh. What about 2 of each? [/quote] Far too much basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1323898394' post='5706975'] Far too much basically. [/quote] Why? And what's so good about Messier? It needs Sacreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 2 Level 6 Monsters You can also Xyz summon this card by using a "Sacred" Xyz monster as the Xyz materials (all of that card's Xyz materials become attached to this card) So it's generic, but using a Sacred gets it out easy. Getting 2x Level 6 in this deck is too easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 [quote name='Charlotte The Witch' timestamp='1323898463' post='5706979'] Why? And what's so good about Messier? It needs Sacreds. [/quote] Or just 2 Level 6 monsters. Which Dragonfly can fulfill if you'd rather not go into Exabeetle. Why is it too much? It clogs. You won't fill the Grave *that* quickly, so consistency works better in a smaller number. Those empty slots can be used for stuff like Allure of Darkness or whatever tech you want. It's a better type of consistency. Setting up is more important than recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 @_@ So, going back on track, what do I need to add and remove, and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 you need to remove bad cards and put in good cards /ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Remove the Tomatoes. They're slow because they rely on your opponent destroying them by battle. This can be played around too easily and Tomato on its own is no help to the deck. Remove the Viruses. Inzektors aren't beatsticks, and using Gigamantis to make one a beatstick for the Tribute is a waste of potential, and Hornet is better employed for its destruction effect than its ATK gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 And what do I add? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 [quote name='GreigaBeastDS' timestamp='1323897059' post='5706883'] 2 Gigamantis 1 Giga weevil Add a summoner monk or 2 Reckless Greed Forest > Verdant Sanctuary, even then you run 2 Forest Heart of Clear Water Sacred M7 TGU [/quote] Whether you add 1 or 2 Gigamantis is personal choice. Either way is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I have 3, so I'm not adding anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 3 is too much. You know what I mean. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Anything else I should add or remove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 3 Verdant seems extremely cloggy. Maybe keep 1 as a tech, but get rid of the other 2 for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 OK. After taking your all of your advice into consideration, I find that my deck is WAY too big. What does my new deck build need to look like, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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