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[Darth Revan of the Sith]

[quote name='Ryūku' timestamp='1324518846' post='5722191']
Actually, the French culture and language is [i]why [/i]I would probably like Quebec. French culture fascinates me, and the food is delicious. Besides, it's not like I'm going anywhere until I'm finished highschool and college, and my then I'll have had at least four years a French. Heh, you wouldn't think I'd just randomly say Quebec, would you? ;D
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It's like going to France only closer
I do hope you get there. It will probably be a wonderous experience for you

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

[quote name='Ryūku' timestamp='1324514377' post='5722020']
Hey I can quote things, too![/quote]
Probably the most impressive part of the post, and even then you missed what I was getting at and can't even put the deaths into context.

[quote]America sucks. The government doesn't even hold its own constitution true for the most part.[/quote]
Saying it doesn't hold true for the most part is a lie. Even when you get down to it most exceptions made to the constitution are pretty reasonable. Of course things like the "Patriot Act" are just stupid violations, but those have vocal protests against them and rarely last very long as history has shown. People tend to make political cartoons about how bills they disagree with utterly destroy the constitution, and people fall for it errytime.

[quote]It's full if ignorant people (see: those hating on All American Muslims),[/quote]
As if the developed western world as a whole doesn't reject islamic ideals(note: everywhere muslims are immigrating to). And freespeech is being oppressed to a point that acknowledging how backwards the faith is in many regards and that we don't need a [i]second[/i] faith system dominating government(and while we're talking about how bad certain countries are, you'll find a fair deal of European governments with religion still integrated into their laws) will be labeled as anti-multiculturalist hate, so I'd be careful about what I called hate.
(Just now realized you were talking about a show. I'll leave this as a general statement because it still addresses the just in a much broader manner and I don't keep up with crap on TV so I haven't looked into the controversy over it.)

Most of America's bigotry comes from hyper-conservative elderly folk, who are dying off. Those who aren't old but bigoted tend to be from uneducated rural areas, and that archetype dying off too with the worldwide shift to cities and general urbanization. Oh, and the fundamentalists, who are also losing influence.

[quote]lying politicians (do I even need to point you towards a direction with that?),[/quote]
(see: politics)

[quote]and other horrible things.[/quote]
#firstworldproblems

[quote]I hate America. I'd much rather live in Canada. Probably somewhere in Quebec YEAAAAH CANADA![/quote]
Obviously every country has its issues, and some more specific to America make people want to facedesk repeatedly, but one of the bigger problems I have are the people that want to be hip and rebellious by making largely baseless slander comments that don't contribute anything beyond a little growth spurt for your "deluded free-thought" dick size when they're actually some of the shittier people in the country, ignorant of other places with the same issues, the issues faced by other areas you don't have to care about here, and most importantly the benefits that years of pampering have led them to take for granted. The old "American Dream" thought-process had its apparent faults and its faith in capitalism and open meritocracies many people still cling to is kind of laughable, but I'd take a sense of personal duty and success through work over this specific new-age mindset, which will only further screw the country if it spreads/as it spreads(see: California). And I hate the reification of QOL, but America scoring as #4 in the best countries to live should be somewhat notable. Objectively, the place has its benefits and intrigues of a continually melding society that can make other countries look bland in their uniformity.

So like I said, about as stupid as worshipping the ground Uncle Sam walks on. I don't particularly like writing this, but people here can be so dense and under-appreciative that it gets pretty aggravating. What's the point in progress if we can't sometimes look back and make positive note of what we've done? We might as well have the living conditions of 17th century peasantry if we're going to act as miserable as them.

And just to be a prude:
[quote]unless that death/destruction was for the good of the people (i.e. Bastille Day)[/quote]
>Bastille Day
>French Revolution
>Reign of Terror
>Which then led to a dictator which then experienced total thermidor and returned to a monarchy following Vienna.
A+ french history buddy. Bastille Day celebrations are really just an excuse for them to party, riot in the streets and set off fireworks. And the actual French hate Quebec, just so you know.

[John A. Zoidberg]

[quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1324522631' post='5722375']
Probably the most impressive part of the post, and even then you missed what I was getting at and can't even put the deaths into context.

[b]Probably the most immature part of the post. Which is actually a good thing, so +1 point for you.[/b]

Saying it doesn't hold true for the most part is a lie. Even when you get down to it most exceptions made to the constitution are pretty reasonable. Of course things like the "Patriot Act" are just stupid violations, but those have vocal protests against them and rarely last very long as history has shown. People tend to make political cartoons about how bills they disagree with utterly destroy the constitution, and people fall for it errytime.

[b]The only parts that still hold true are the basics on which the country was founded on. Things like fair trial are slowly falling away (hell, you're suspected to be a terrorist if you stock up on food. You can be detained for being a part of OWS).[/b]

As if the developed western world as a whole doesn't reject islamic ideals(note: everywhere muslims are immigrating to). And freespeech is being oppressed to a point that acknowledging how backwards the faith is in many regards and that we don't need a [i]second[/i] faith system dominating government(and while we're talking about how bad certain countries are, you'll find a fair deal of European governments with religion still integrated into their laws) will be labeled as anti-multiculturalist hate, so I'd be careful about what I called hate.
(Just now realized you were talking about a show. I'll leave this as a general statement because it still addresses the just in a much broader manner and I don't keep up with crap on TV so I haven't looked into the controversy over it.)

[b]The Islamic faith is as backwards as any other faith. Christianity says "I love you unless you're different than me." The only real difference is that the Islamic faith is willing to kill over those differences. I don't see how any 'faith' should dominate government, nor do I see how it's a problem if multiple do. [/b][b]However, that's not the idea of the argument regarding the TV show. The TV show is essentially showing that Muslims can be normal people like you and I. It's shown to be that people shouldn't hate the entire race of people just because of their difference. Now, I understand you haven't seen/heard of the TV show, so this is an explanation, not an argument. People are getting angry over the show, essentially, because it doesn't show all Muslims to be radical murderer terrorists, which is just kind of stupid.[/b]

Most of America's bigotry comes from hyper-conservative elderly folk, who are dying off. Those who aren't old but bigoted tend to be from uneducated rural areas, and that archetype dying off too with the worldwide shift to cities and general urbanization. Oh, and the fundamentalists, who are also losing influence.

[b]There are plenty of young people with hyper-conservative beliefs. I was told by a fifteen-year-old today that "Muslims should be banned from America because they don't believe in God." Now, it could just be that person being brainwashed by their parents/grandparents/whatever, but I was appalled by the statement, especially considering most of the people commonly associated with being 'founding fathers' weren't even Christian. Hell, there were atheists in those groups. I get what you're saying here, though, so I'll leave it at that.[/b]

(see: politics)


#firstworldproblems

[b]I'll admit, you made me laugh. Reminds me why I like you more than most of the people I've argued with.[/b]

Obviously every country has its issues, and some more specific to America make people want to facedesk repeatedly, but one of the bigger problems I have are the people that want to be hip and rebellious by making largely baseless slander comments that don't contribute anything beyond a little growth spurt for your "deluded free-thought" dick size when they're actually some of the shittier people in the country, ignorant of other places with the same issues, the issues faced by other areas you don't have to care about here, and most importantly the benefits that years of pampering have led them to take for granted. The old "American Dream" thought-process had its apparent faults and its faith in capitalism and open meritocracies many people still cling to is kind of laughable, but I'd take a sense of personal duty and success through work over this specific new-age mindset, which will only further screw the country if it spreads/as it spreads(see: California). And I hate the reification of QOL, but America scoring as #4 in the best countries to live should be somewhat notable. Objectively, the place has its benefits and intrigues of a continually melding society that can make other countries look bland in their uniformity.

[b]Oh come the f*** on. I say I hate America because I want to be 'hip and rebellious?' Sure, there are people like that, but to say it's never sincere is just a bit of a stretch. When you say 'ignorant of similar issues in other countries" you're partially correct. However, as a citizen of a country, most human beings would help their own cause before helping others. That's why most hipsters never get anything done. "Stop animal cruelty, stop the corporations, stop starvation," nothing ever gets done, and they end up arguing their cause until it's just a game of them wanting to be correct. Hence why I'd rather fix where I live to alleviate my own issues rather than focus on multiple issues at once. Call me selfish, it's whatever.[/b]
[b]Also, California's a shithole regardless of, we'll continue with the term 'hip,' people. It's the reason most other countries hate America. Also, sure America has it's benefits, but it all boils down to one's preference of life. I personally like the thought of absolute freedom, within reason. Sure, I wouldn't want it to be legal to murder people, but I also like the thought of not having a government, for the most part, decide how I live. Keep in mind, our input matters, our vote doesn't necessarily (Ex: Bush election). [/b]

So like I said, about as stupid as worshipping the ground Uncle Sam walks on. I don't particularly like writing this, but people here can be so dense and under-appreciative that it gets pretty aggravating. What's the point in progress if we can't sometimes look back and make positive note of what we've done? We might as well have the living conditions of 17th century peasantry if we're going to act as miserable as them.

[b]I wouldn't call it dense or under-appreciative, but to each his own. I understand that the country's progressed and that I wouldn't have the freedoms I did if it wasn't for the American government. That doesn't mean I should just take every negative thing the government throws at me and other people. I have a right to be unhappy with those who lead me, everyone does.[/b]

And just to be a prude:

>Bastille Day
>French Revolution
>Reign of Terror
>Which then led to a dictator which then experienced total thermidor and returned to a monarchy following Vienna.
A+ french history buddy. And the actual French hate Quebec, just so you know.

[b]Now you're just sounding like a douche. Whelp, here's more. Bastille Day- the French soldiers on the lower level surrendered. It would have been over right there. Then, the soldiers on the upper lever didn't realize the surrender, and continued to defend. If they had realized that it was a surrender, the Bastille may never have been destroyed in the first place. Sure, it's human error that they didn't know, but that doesn't necessarily excuse it. And the French Revolution wasn't negative. It would have been incredibly positive had it not been for Robespierre's corruption. All of these things mentioned could easily have been avoided.[/b]
[b]How does me saying Bastille Day can be taken positively insinuate that I don't know s*** about French history?[/b]
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As a sidenote, I'd rather not continue off topic, so I'd be more than willing to take this to PM.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

I don't think there's much else to add or discuss about this so I'll just leave what little is left to say here:
[b]The only parts that still hold true are the basics on which the country was founded on. Things like fair trial are slowly falling away (hell, you're suspected to be a terrorist if you stock up on food. You can be detained for being a part of OWS).[/b]

Loss of rights and their affirmation tend to act more like a current than a mounting force. The typical pattern is that they fade during a crisis and and reinvigorated following resolution. If you actually compare each incident of loss of rights during wartime, it's slowly improving. That internet regulation looks like it would stick around for awhile though, so I hope neither the UK or US end up stuck with it.

[b]The Islamic faith is as backwards as any other faith. Christianity says "I love you unless you're different than me." The only real difference is that the Islamic faith is willing to kill over those differences. I don't see how any 'faith' should dominate government, nor do I see how it's a problem if multiple do. [/b][b]However, that's not the idea of the argument regarding the TV show. The TV show is essentially showing that Muslims can be normal people like you and I. It's shown to be that people shouldn't hate the entire race of people just because of their difference. Now, I understand you haven't seen/heard of the TV show, so this is an explanation, not an argument. People are getting angry over the show, essentially, because it doesn't show all Muslims to be radical murderer terrorists, which is just kind of stupid.[/b]

I mean any belief in general. Didn't know that about the show, but it's kind of to be expected, haters gonna' hate, this hate largely originating from sources I previously described. And yeah, there are younger kids that were taught to act like that by their parents. Ideally, as more and more of them diverge from the views of their parents as seems to be the trend nowadays, such bigotry can fade. That can be seen in a number of issues worldwide now, thanks to mass polling.

I mean, I essentially agree with you on every point you take issue with, I just find that people tend to overreact about the severity and implications of some rulings as some sort of socio-political swine flu/bird flu/mad cow disease. And that big paragraph wasn't targeting you if you think it was. I guess I'd say to hate on more specific concepts and actions rather than making general statements, since countries are innately complex.

Robespierre was just one of many who tried banking off the event. Seeing as the closest thing they ever got to democracy out of it was inept and corrupt and then they ultimately returned to a theocracy I think the whole situation is pretty hyped up.

[John A. Zoidberg]

Then I suppose there's no argument anymore.

[quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1324609471' post='5724569']
Robespierre was just one of many who tried banking off the event. Seeing as the closest thing they ever got to democracy out of it was inept and corrupt and then they ultimately returned to a theocracy I think the whole situation is pretty hyped up.
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Actually, it's been shown that Robespierre's 'tactics,' in lack of a better term, was pure paranoia. It was essentially him saying, "Oh, I heard _______ is against the republic!" Then _______ is beheaded. I wouldn't say he tried to make money from it, he simply let irrational fear get the better of him. I know there was a similar situation regarding 'Communist Spies' in America, but the name of the man who caused it utterly escapes me.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

McCarthy, who got famous for calling people communists to further himself politically.

And I dunno', he did end up abolishing the church and making himself God for a short while, so it was probably a blend of insanity and self-driven ambition.

[John A. Zoidberg]

Yeah. Robespierre was definitely moreso out for power than McCarthy, but there are a lot of similarities between the two situations. Yes, he made himself a 'god' for awhile, but that could easily be contributed to his clear insanity.