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God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens

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In my day, I had religion SHOVED AND DRILLED INTO MY BRAIN,

Seriously, God is non-existent, How comes after YEARS of praying, not one decent thing has happened, apart from the fact I reclaimed PPI but that's not the point, point is, they bashed me for not believing in anything.

One REALLY f***ing ignorant fat kid said "Oh, you're dumb cause you dont believe in god and jesus"

Harold Camping, Jehovah Witnesses, Muslims (Not all, so do not take that directly, mind.) being impolite.

f*** religion.

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its true we can blame a lot of crazy s*** in history due to religion, but by saying "f*** religion", than were no good than those who abide to religious beliefs and says that "all those who dont believe shall burn in hell" or similar

Sorry, had to vent it, but still, religion is the one thing in life that should not be in my body. I stopped believing when i was 6, I saw something named Science and Forensics...

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Sorry, had to vent it, but still, religion is the one thing in life that should not be in my body. I stopped believing when i was 6, I saw something named Science and Forensics...

 

i can understand that, me, ive never really been such a big believer in my life. the only thing that bothers me is that some just wish to believe in stuff no one has ever proven actually happened, or is real at all, which science does. and yet WE are the ignorant ones for not believing in god, present to me some proof and i might reconsider

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It would be sort of, you know, interesting, if you asked someone who used to be seriously religious and then decided to question a faith that caused a close relative to get goofy timed by some Catholic monks at the age of six. As a former Catholic who had the faith shoved down my throat every time I visited a relative, I believed sincerely that God would save me and that bad things would happen to those who didn't agree with me. This kind of stuff to a child with a big ego made me into the insufferable arsehole that shouts down other people I am today. Or it would have, if I didn't begin to make cutesy little deductions in my head (as a five year old, I went around my Catholic Primary School telling other kiddies that God created the Big Bang. I was told not to blaspheme by a teaching assistant).

 

As a child I had read the Bible and could quote a fair bit of it (not just the easy bits - if you're a six year old who can quote Amos at a Catholic Primary Teacher, you get a gold star or bumbum funny time). But when I left that Primary School and went to a secular school (i.e. one that had people that weren't practising Catholics) I heard lots of funny things, like children who wore scarves on their heads and called God something different. As a servant of God I told them they were wrong. I was taken aside by the teacher, and told that that was unfair. That if you see wrong, you should stop it, but everyone has a different idea of what "wrong" is. I decided I would read other books. I read The Koran, a couple of books by the Dalai Lama, an abridged version of the Ramayana, translated chosen sections of the Guru Granth Sahib and another book. This book wasn't like any of the other books. It was called the God Delusion, and it offended me. It seemed right - the deductions, the logic, it was all sound. But it was wrong, and I knew it was wrong.

 

Religious Studies was my favourite subject - I knew a lot about it being an avid reader and I enjoyed the debates it threw up. But I couldn't shake off that nagging feeling, that question - "What if I'm wrong?" What if Catholicism is wrong? I had a book that eloquently and perfectly explained why it was wrong, but I wasn't mature enough yet to comprehend a hypothetical mental insight. I was nine years old when I finally realized that I just couldn't believe any more. I had watched all my cousins have Communions, but I hadn't had one. My mother told me that I should choose what to believe and not have my family influence me by childhood indoctrination. I should look at evidence. Science was a big love of mine, and I knew about setting up experiments and the elements. But my favourite was Biology. I loved to memorize all the little details, all the bones, all the plants and animals and flora. It was magical. But here was the giver - being passionate about both Chemistry and Biology, I knew the difference between a Hypothesis and a Theory. Look it up if you want. If a smart-arse nine year old can, then so can you. Evolution was backed up by all the evidence. The Dinosaurs I loved when I was four - they were from millions of years ago. All the time I was talking about palaeontology and the fossils at that age I was being a massive hypocrite.

 

I was a non-believer, and when I told a classmate that, they slapped me. That old classmate was a once fellow Catholic. I felt alone and angry. So when I watched Question Time one day, I saw a guy called Christopher Hitchens on it. He was talking about Iraq and other stuff. I asked who he was and my Dad (a divorcee and a former Catholic too) told me he was a public intellectual and a Marxist who had just written a book decrying religion, which he then said I might like. So I borrowed his copy and duly ploughed through it. I was more eloquently written than Dawkins' book, and it made the case against religion in a way that was unlike the Scientific opposition. It was simply a list of bad things. And it was a long list. Some of them were truly unpleasant, like the Rwandan Genocide (look it up, but not the photos unless you have an iron stomach) and the Child Abuse. And to top it off, after a close relative died, I was told that one of the things they confessed (if you'll excuse the pun) before they died was that at a tender age, they were abused by some Catholic monks and priests.

 

 

If you have bothered to read my tl;dr speech, you'll find that I used to be religious and I changed when I decided to consider other arguments, other arguments that I didn't agree with. If something appears to repel you, then find out why. I doubt Comrade Trollestia has read this book, else he wouldn't be saying it was propaganda. It is written by journalist as an expose of religion as a whole, not as a call to arms. It is written with the intent of convincing, and provides evidence. A lot of evidence.

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I think there is a lot of stuff in here you wouldn't know.

silly silly Anti-theist

 

Aizen already knows everything

 

@ the Good doctor: Dude, truly sorry about the relative =/

 

I sometimes ask those questions myself, and I come to the same conclusion everytime

 

=/ Seeing as my religion supports science and has said/proved things that could not have been said/understood at the time (embryos is a good example, another is fingerprinting) I realize that a higher order must have beamed down that knowledge.

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How is this still here :mad:

 

Tbh this is why many people, religious or not, hate Atheists. It makes you no better than the people you're against, by pushing stuff like this and having titles like that. Its quite offensive, the title I mean.

 

Atheists don't ask you to do something bad; they ask you to stop doing something stupid. I'm extremely tolerant and I don't know the answer to many questions, but to be quite blunt: stop being offended. I can say that your callous disregard for the truth as a religious person is offensive and an affront to the greatness that is man; I don't say that because it's stupid... just like saying that God doesn't exist and is a sissy man should be "stupid" to you. Just believe I'm wrong and going to hell and be done with it.

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