Canadian Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Amazing card. [center][img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/4/4a/TsukuyomiSD6-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img][/center] [center]Test run @1 for next format please. yes?[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Probably won't be tested until next September. But doesn't look like it'd be broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I'd love to see it @1 Are there any ways to abuse this consistently in this format? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Horus.' timestamp='1326905422' post='5769974'] I'd love to see it @1 Are there any ways to abuse this consistently in this format? [/quote] Not really, thanks to the "cannot be SS'd" part and most of the abusable Flip Effect Monsters being at their appropriate place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Meh I wouldn't mind it comeing back to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I mind. I don't like the thought of having a re-usable Book of Moon each turn, even if it wastes a Normal Summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1326906970' post='5770043'] I mind. I don't like the thought of having a re-usable Book of Moon each turn, even if it wastes a Normal Summon. [/quote] This would be dangerous if it had 1700+ ATK... but it's just a 1100 monster, so it probably won't even be able to run over the things she flips facedown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I don't know man. Considering how fast it is to bring a monster out these days, this card just makes it too easy to kill a monster that would normally be a threat to the opponent. I still am completely against bringing back Tsukyomi. Geez, maybe you all should rot in Unithorn's lair for such heresy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1326906970' post='5770043'] I mind. I don't like the thought of having a re-usable Book of Moon each turn, even if it wastes a Normal Summon. [/quote] :S The reason why Book of Moon is good is because it's a Quick-Play. Otherwise, everyone would be running Brionac and Swords of Concealing Light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Stardust Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I think it can safely go back to 1, I doubt it would break the format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Nah. It really isn't fair for decks that are under Tier 2, which don't swarm as well and rely on having a giant monster but practically little to no DEF and then this card comes out and kills them. I still say it should be @0. To those who don't like it, you can go forcibly play 2-player mode in Battle Toads on the American Difficulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1326914756' post='5770196'] Nah. It really isn't fair for decks that are under Tier 2, which don't swarm as well and rely on having a giant monster but practically little to no DEF and then this card comes out and kills them. I still say it should be @0. To those who don't like it, you can go forcibly play 2-player mode in Battle Toads on the American Difficulty. [/quote] Then those decks should have never existed. If there is a deck that actually [b]relies [/b]on a boss, it's most likely bad design. Other cards basically do the same thing if you're gonna complain about it running over bosses. D-Prison, Bottomless, Gale, Scrap Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1326915701' post='5770212'] Then those decks should have never existed. If there is a deck that actually [b]relies [/b]on a boss, it's most likely bad design. Other cards basically do the same thing if you're gonna complain about it running over bosses. D-Prison, Bottomless, Gale, Scrap Dragon. [/quote] I'm just talking about decks under Tier 2 in general. They aren't fast enough to keep up with the decks of Tier 2+ as it is. If this were unbanned, then the segregation in the format would be solidified, which would be bad for business. Tell me exactly, what good would it do if this card were to see the light of day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1326915881' post='5770220'] I'm just talking about decks under Tier 2 in general. They aren't fast enough to keep up with the decks of Tier 2+ as it is. If this were unbanned, then the segregation in the format would be solidified, which would be bad for business. Tell me exactly, what good would it do if this card were to see the light of day? [/quote] It becomes a viable tech in Spirit Anti-Meta, the format generally becomes more control-based rather than swarm-based, the format slows down and encourages healthier play in regards to decisions. And faster decks running this would have to slow down to use this as a tech as it ultimately uses your Normal Summon, when Rai-Oh is a better option. Thinking about it, Tsukuyomi is basically a slow Forbidden Chalice that actually helps obscure decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1326916054' post='5770223'] It becomes a viable tech in Spirit Anti-Meta, the format generally becomes more control-based rather than swarm-based, the format slows down and encourages healthier play in regards to decisions. And faster decks running this would have to slow down to use this as a tech as it ultimately uses your Normal Summon, when Rai-Oh is a better option. Thinking about it, Tsukuyomi is basically a slow Forbidden Chalice that actually helps obscure decks. [/quote] Wouldn't Tsukyomi promote Swarming? I say this because in order for decks not to die against Tsukyomi, they have to be able to keep a back-up monster all the time in addition to a single monster, which means that decks that cannot swarm are left behind in the dust. Tsukyomi is one of those cards that is better to waste a Normal Summon on since it can quickly and consistenly make game-changing plays or go into beef combos, which is bad. Only thing that is good is that Anti-Meta Spirits can use it, that is the only healthy aspect of impact it would have on the game. It is just too much of an loltopdeck to be able to be lifted from the banlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1326916440' post='5770236'] Wouldn't Tsukyomi promote Swarming? I say this because in order for decks not to die against Tsukyomi, they have to be able to keep a back-up monster all the time in addition to a single monster, which means that decks that cannot swarm are left behind in the dust. Tsukyomi is one of those cards that is better to waste a Normal Summon on since it can quickly and consistenly make game-changing plays or go into beef combos, which is bad. Only thing that is good is that Anti-Meta Spirits can use it, that is the only healthy aspect of impact it would have on the game. It is just too much of an loltopdeck to be able to be lifted from the banlist. [/quote] If you've swarmed without OTKing, your opponent should be able to recover. It's not as if Tsukuyomi can protect against Reaper. Or Traps. Or counter-swarm. And this is all presuming you have Tsukuyomi, which will otherwise be dead in your hand, after you've swarmed out all your combos and haven't bothered to go for Brionac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1326916610' post='5770244'] If you've swarmed without OTKing, your opponent should be able to recover. It's not as if Tsukuyomi can protect against Reaper. Or Traps. Or counter-swarm. And this is all presuming you have Tsukuyomi, which will otherwise be dead in your hand, after you've swarmed out all your combos and haven't bothered to go for Brionac. [/quote] The problem I have with it is that it is a highly disruptive tech against lower tier decks. It won't be able to protect against what you have mentioned, but having the ability to leave one of the monsters on the field in a (usually) more vulnerable position or change the field to your advantage can be very bad, especially if you are against something of the likes such as Stardust Dragon, Monsters with 1100 DEF, monsters that need to be face-up to have good continuous effect, ect. Yes, it is just that game changing and feels too much like a lucksack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1326917110' post='5770261'] The problem I have with it is that it is a highly disruptive tech against lower tier decks. It won't be able to protect against what you have mentioned, but having the ability to leave one of the monsters on the field in a (usually) more vulnerable position or change the field to your advantage can be very bad, especially if you are against something of the likes such as Stardust Dragon, Monsters with 1100 DEF, monsters that need to be face-up to have good continuous effect, ect. Yes, it is just that game changing and feels too much like a lucksack. [/quote] Lower tier decks like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1326917387' post='5770274'] Lower tier decks like... [/quote] Gladiator Beasts Jurracs Gishkis Elemental Heroes Evols Reptillianes Naturias Amazoness Steelswarms You know, just to name a few from the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1326917705' post='5770292'] Gladiator Beasts Jurracs Gishkis Elemental Heroes Evols Reptillianes Naturias Amazoness Steelswarms You know, just to name a few from the top of my head. [/quote] Glad Beasts don't suffer from Tsukuyomi at all as they should be running things like War Chariot and Gyzarus will basically nuke the swarm done. So nah. Jurracs, by simple triangle theory, has a normal disadvantage against swarm anyway. They can combat this by basically running Tsukuyomi. Gishkis don't suffer too much as they have one of the best recycling systems in the format. Besides, it's mostly an OTK deck. E-Heroes have Gemini Spark, ridiculous amounts of defensive traps, and E Call and Statos to recover. Also, Super Poly and Miracle Fusion for next turn. They are a slow deck though, so it's understandable if they die against swarm. Evols have Dolkka and Laggia ._. ummmm. Reptillianes. Naga does not die. at all. from Tsukuyomi. wat. Naturias have a complex recycling system, as well as access to the 3 of the best Synchro effect negaters out there. Landoise wants to stab Tsukuyomi. Amazonesses usually set or have Village, so they don't need to die. Besides, they are just a mediocre deck in general, because of little support. And Steelswarms, well, they are just slow Monarchs. They should be ideally trying to spam out huge damage, and it's obvious that they die from Tsukuyomi. If we're really complaining about 'low DEF', [b]why the f**k is no-one using Otohime?[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1326918165' post='5770305'] Glad Beasts don't suffer from Tsukuyomi at all as they should be running things like War Chariot and Gyzarus will basically nuke the swarm done. So nah. [b]Yeah that is true. I was just solely thinking of Laquari[/b] Jurracs, by simple triangle theory, has a normal disadvantage against swarm anyway. They can combat this by basically running Tsukuyomi. [b]Jurracs can't go into surprisebuttsecks, which is their main combat strategy.[/b] Gishkis don't suffer too much as they have one of the best recycling systems in the format. Besides, it's mostly an OTK deck. [b]The problem is that you won't always go into OTK, and when you do use Zealgigas because you feel like you need to, Tsukyomi trolls it.[/b] E-Heroes have Gemini Spark, ridiculous amounts of defensive traps, and E Call and Statos to recover. Also, Super Poly and Miracle Fusion for next turn. They are a slow deck though, so it's understandable if they die against swarm. [b]True.[/b] Evols have Dolkka and Laggia ._. ummmm. [b]Tsukyomi is the ultimate bait card for Laggia, and Dolkka is just Dolkka, but it is really a random game of chance if they go into Laggia or Dolkka, which would give you different ways to kill them.[/b] Reptillianes. Naga does not die. at all. from Tsukuyomi. wat. [b]Naga no, but for Reptillianes that need to be face-up in order for their effects to work say ehhhh.[/b] Naturias have a complex recycling system, as well as access to the 3 of the best Synchro effect negaters out there. Landoise wants to stab Tsukuyomi. [b]People use Beast and Barkion over Landoise because it is easier to use them, and they both get killed by Tsukyomi[/b] Amazonesses usually set or have Village, so they don't need to die. Besides, they are just a mediocre deck in general, because of little support. [b]I never understood much about Amazonesses, but aren't their specific cards that they have that they need that requires?[/b] And Steelswarms, well, they are just slow Monarchs. They should be ideally trying to spam out huge damage, and it's obvious that they die from Tsukuyomi. If we're really complaining about 'low DEF', [b]why the f**k is no-one using Otohime? [/b][b]Because she is a disappointment of a Level 3 and 0 ATK can't do anything on its own while compared to Tsukuyomi 1100 ATK is a threat against most monsters this format when flipped, like Catastor[/b] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Jurracs, Amazoness and Steelswarms will all die from swarm anyway, regardless of Tsukuyomi. Reptilianes - only things you should be running, if running a standard build, 3 Naga, 3 Vaskii, 3 Gardna. That's it. I don't even care that Vaskii is a 2600 body that will get killed by Tsukuyomi. It's basically Offering to the Snake Deity. Which is a good point to raise, because you can just chain Offering to Tsukuyomi and lol ._. Oh, and Landoise and Beast are the best and easiest to get out Naturias. If we're assuming that Tsukuyomi can obviously only do things in swarm, Otohime should be just as good because you'll be beating down with the swarmed monsters. obvs. Tukuyomi's 1100 ATK is irrelevant. obvs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Jar to 0 Tsukuyomi to 1 BLS-Envoy to 0 Brio to 0 Goyo to 1 Cool format bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the Rainicorn Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I would actually like Tsukuyomi back, Spaceships would be so god damn fun to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 [quote name='GreigaBeastDS' timestamp='1326938728' post='5770847'] Brio to 0 Goyo to 1 Cool format bro [/quote] Goyo is more broke. :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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