Ultimate Disobedient Dragon

[NeoRWBY65]

[img]http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/8162/199468.jpg[/img]A more powerful version of the first.

Lore:
Neither player can special summon monsters. During your standby phase, select one monster in your graveyard, and equip it to this card. This card gains ATK and DEF equal to the combined ATK and DEF of the monsters equipped to it, respectively. If this card would leave the field, send one card equipped to it to the graveyard instead, then switch control of this card to your opponent.

[Astolfo]

[color=#000066][b]Can't see lore. Write it out.[/b][/color]
[color=#000066][b][b]And for realistic, make year 1996, creator KAZUKI TAKAHASHI, and have a SETID. And better picture.[/b][/b][/color]

[NeoRWBY65]

[quote name='N.E.M.E.S.I.S.' timestamp='1327021169' post='5771905']
[color=#000066][b]Can't see lore. Write it out.[/b][/color]
[color=#000066][b][b]And for realistic, make year 1996, creator KAZUKI TAKAHASHI, and have a SETID. And better picture.[/b][/b][/color]
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I wrote the lore out while you were sending that message. I just want to know what people think about this card's effects

[ragnarok1945]

First effect, well Jowgen the Spiritualist can already do that

in terms of the atk/def gain part, you may want to put a limit to how many cards you can equip to this monster

2000 atk may not be much, but it can reach 5000 pretty quickly if you don't put the max limit there

[thekazu4u]

I like the other one better. Maybe just add the no spec. summoning effect to the first?

And no limit of cards to equip, no need, there is already a 5 card limit (I even would abolish this by making it XYZ and letting it attach cards from the graveyard to it). It is not a particularly amazing card really in terms of playability. It is, however, an amazing card from the anime-creators point of view. They make this the villain's main card, and in the end let him be eaten by his own 8000 attack dragon.

[RealMrFaceMan]

I agree that it's a creator's villian's dream cards.
[quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327036381' post='5772169']
I like the other one better. Maybe just add the no spec. summoning effect to the first?

And no limit of cards to equip, no need, there is already a 5 card limit (I even would abolish this by making it XYZ and letting it attach cards from the graveyard to it). It is not a particularly amazing card really in terms of playability. It is, however, an amazing card from the anime-creators point of view. They make this the villain's main card, and in the end let him be eaten by his own 8000 attack dragon.
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I agree with the special summon idea. Although I do think that it needs a limit, or a lower ATK/DEF that way if you have Black Luster Solider or another card in the Graveyard it won't get Summoned then have 5000 ATK. OCG wise there are some things that need to be capilized. I should only be able to have cards equipped to it by it's own eff so that way people don't spam equip cards to it (I do that sometimes) and not all decks have trap cards that destroy attacking monsters. It reminds me of Relinquished except it equips from your Graveyard. To me it seems like your Graveyard will have stronger cards than your opponenent's side of the field.

[Admiral Tim]

[quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1327035984' post='5772148']
First effect, well Jowgen the Spiritualist can already do that

in terms of the atk/def gain part, you may want to put a limit to how many cards you can equip to this monster

2000 atk may not be much, but it can reach 5000 pretty quickly if you don't put the max limit there
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This.

I came hear to see charizard, i was disappointed...

[thekazu4u]

[quote name='RealMrFaceMan' timestamp='1327061714' post='5772349']
I agree that it's a creator's villian's dream cards.


I agree with the special summon idea. Although I do think that it needs a limit, or a lower ATK/DEF that way if you have Black Luster Solider or another card in the Graveyard it won't get Summoned then have 5000 ATK. OCG wise there are some things that need to be capilized. I should only be able to have cards equipped to it by it's own eff so that way people don't spam equip cards to it (I do that sometimes) and not all decks have trap cards that destroy attacking monsters. It reminds me of Relinquished except it equips from your Graveyard. To me it seems like your Graveyard will have stronger cards than your opponenent's side of the field.
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Conditional 5000 attack monster 2 tribute with no positive effects that your opponent is going to gain control of next turn AND you cannot use for tribute etc... is nothing monumental. Heck, if BEWD was 5000 ATK still it would see little to no play. This card would see some play in incredibly specialized decks, but it is far from an OP'd card, especially with cards like Inzektors around. Dragonfly -> hornet -> centi -> hornet == 2 equips gone. Plus, the opponent would atk with the 5000 atker first. More often than not if you splash it in a deck you would only OTK yourself. It could be played, but would require an incredibly dedicated deck probably based on Light Pulsar Dragon.

[RealMrFaceMan]

[quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1327087405' post='5772719']
Conditional 5000 attack monster 2 tribute with no positive effects that your opponent is going to gain control of next turn AND you cannot use for tribute etc... is nothing monumental. Heck, if BEWD was 5000 ATK still it would see little to no play. This card would see some play in incredibly specialized decks, but it is far from an OP'd card, especially with cards like Inzektors around. Dragonfly -> hornet -> centi -> hornet == 2 equips gone. Plus, the opponent would atk with the 5000 atker first. More often than not if you splash it in a deck you would only OTK yourself. It could be played, but would require an incredibly dedicated deck probably based on Light Pulsar Dragon.
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true true. I haven't thought of it much that way. i was looking at it from a deck based around it, so if it wasn't a deck based around it it wouldn't be op'ed. overall it varies if it's useful or not. you have changed my opinion =D

[thekazu4u]

[quote name='RealMrFaceMan' timestamp='1327093997' post='5772816']
true true. I haven't thought of it much that way. i was looking at it from a deck based around it, so if it wasn't a deck based around it it wouldn't be op'ed. overall it varies if it's useful or not. you have changed my opinion =D
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I still think it should be an XYZ. Decks playing it would need 3, now you get a few in first hand, now you have multiple cards that you cannot destroy if you wanted to and will kill you as much as they kill your opponent... yea not exactly a sustainable strategy. Simply make it an xyz and reduce ATK and DEF to 0, now you have a sustainable card.

Oh yea. It has a bunch of cards equipped to it, 5000 ATK+. Your opponent activates book of moon. When he controls it. Everything equipped goes away, and it does not change control anymore....

My idea as posted on other thread:
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[color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]As long as this card is Face-up on the field: Neither player can Special Summon. This card must attack when able. During your Standby Phase: Attach one monster in your Graveyard with the highest ATK to this card. This card gains ATK equal to half the combined ATK of all monsters equipped to it. If this card would leave the field or be flipped Face-Down: detach one XYZ Material Monster from this card instead. During your End Phase: switch control of this card to your opponent. If this card is in Defense Position: Pay 1000 Life Points and change this card to Attack Position.[/size][/font][/color]