another annoying sadist card :) gawd im bitter this week

[Akeno_Ederis_17]

[img]http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6003/332516k.jpg[/img]


LORE:

flip: target 1monster: destroy 1 monster your opponent control with a same attribute or Type of the targeted monster except the targeted monster. on the turn that this card is flipped and the effect of this card successfully resolved, this card can attack your opponent directly. this card is unaffected by spell cards or trap cards. if this card inflicts damage to your opponent, destroy 1 card with the same attribute or Type of the monster that this card destroyed by it's effect. return this card to your hand at the end phase that this card is summoned.


the repaired version:

[img]http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3044/332516z.jpg[/img]

LORE:
FLIP:Target 1 monster your opponent controls; Destroy it. If this card inflicts damage to your opponent: Destroy 1 card your opponent controls. This card can attack your opponent directly. Once per turn, this card cannot be destroyed by battle.

wanna know what you think about this adorable,cute and nic---nice? bunny xD

[ragnarok1945]

this bunny looks nothing like a killer

with the card destruction effect, you'll really be wanting DNA surgery/transplant to go along with this......

[Akeno_Ederis_17]

looks nothing like a killer xD so funny ragna xD

or just side deck it,, besides there are so many deck (or archtypes) that have same type or attribute.. xD

[ragnarok1945]

I must say though if you drew this pic yourself, you did extremely well for it

[Akeno_Ederis_17]

unfortunately nope..xD haha i didn;t draw that..but i already scanned some of my drawings, right now im editing them.. xD

[101100111000]

[quote name='sIege-eI' timestamp='1329630726' post='5826216']
flip: destroy 1 monster on the field with the same attribute or Type.

[b]Same Attribute/Type as what?[/b]

on the turn that this card is flipped and the effect of this card successfully resolved, this card can attack your opponent directly.

[b]Pointless effect if your opponent flips it.[/b]

this card is unaffected by spell cards or trap cards.

[b]Nice way to tell your opponent that they flipped this card face-up.[/b]

if this card inflicts damage to your opponent, destroy 1 card with the same attribute or Type of the monster that this card destroyed by it's effect.

[b]So, that flip effect from a while ago comes back around to kick your opponent's rear if this card inflicts damage?[/b]

return this card to your hand at the end phase that this card is summoned.

[b]Ummm, yeah... What's the point of this effect?[/b]
[/quote]

This card already has a Man-Eater-esque effect (whch I still don't quite understand that well >.>), why did you need to make it invulnerable to Spell/Trap Cards? WHY did you need to add an effect regarding "inflicting damage" when this card only has 900 ATK? Why does this card return to your hand when it's Summoned?

You overcomplicated a simple Level 3 Flip Effect. I'd cut out the last two effects entirely, they're totally unnecessary for a card that'll more than likely become Synchro/Xyz fodder anyway.

[Akeno_Ederis_17]

edited about the attr and type part.. read it again,, and give your coment...maybe that would lessen your whys

[101100111000]

[quote name='sIege-eI' timestamp='1329641400' post='5826487']
edited about the attr and type part.. read it again,, and give your coment...maybe that would lessen your whys
[/quote]

Actually, most (if not all) of my why's had absolutely nothing to do with your first effect. At all.

Nearly everything I said before still stands as is. :I

[Akeno_Ederis_17]

ok then ,,,

in case you haven't notice the main focus of the card is to destroy 2 monster's with the same type/attr..

it you control this card and you let your opponent flip it then your stupid..

it is unaffected by spell cards /trap cards to avoid boosting it's atk points for its direct attack..

when the direct atk is succesful, it gets to destroy another card with the same type or attribute as the monster destroyed bythe first eff.

and seriously?? you dont know the point of why it returns to the hand??

so it can be recycled and be used again if needed...

what else you need to know?

[101100111000]

[quote name='sIege-eI' timestamp='1329643121' post='5826501']
ok then ,,,

in case you haven't notice the main focus of the card is to destroy 2 monster's with the same type/attr..

[b]Dont see it. It only destroys 1 monster when flipped. has 900 ATK, so it can't really do anything else.[/b]

it you control this card and you let your opponent flip it then your stupid..

[b]Anyone who'd flip anything is stupid. Yet people always do. If he did flip it on HIS turn, it'd ruin your Direct Attack effect[/b]

it is unaffected by spell cards /trap cards to avoid boosting it's atk points for its direct attack..

[b]You also avoid allowing this thing to inflict any Battle Damage by leaving it with 900 ATK, so any effect relating to inflicting damage is pointless[/b]

when the direct atk is succesful, it gets to destroy another card with the same type or attribute as the monster destroyed bythe first eff.

[b]Your opponent can ruin this by flipping it during their turn. Also, your opponent can just destroy it through battle. Easily.[/b]

and seriously?? you dont know the point of why it returns to the hand??

[b]Flipping this thing face-down is WAY more useful than returning it to your hand. Although I'd rather use this for Number 17.[/b]

so it can be recycled and be used again if needed...

[b]Recycling the effect would be easier if you flipped it face-down. That'd be OP'ed, but still.[/b]

what else you need to know?
[/quote]

Well, I'd like to know if you can really make a rebuttal. :I

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Level 3 EARTH Beast-Type
flip: target 1monster: destroy 1 monster your opponent control with a same attribute or Type of the targeted monster except the targeted monster. on the turn that this card is flipped and the effect of this card successfully resolved, this card can attack your opponent directly. this card is unaffected by spell cards or trap cards. if this card inflicts damage to your opponent, destroy 1 card with the same attribute or Type of the monster that this card destroyed by it's effect. return this card to your hand at the end phase that this card is summoned.
900/1600

Okay, face it, this card is unusable.

Well, the OCG is terrible, but that's not a factor when I rate. The effect is just overall underpowered.
[hr]
Level 3 EARTH Beast-Type
[b]Okay, maybe being EARTH allows Naturia Synchros, but that doesn't count as a good point unless this card can be easily summoned too.[/b]

flip: target 1monster: destroy 1 monster your opponent control with a same attribute or Type of the targeted monster except the targeted monster.
[b]Well, apparently you don't know the existance of Snowman Eater, which basically does the same thing, except a gajillion times beter and less situational.[/b]

on the turn that this card is flipped and the effect of this card successfully resolved, this card can attack your opponent directly.
[b]Um, and...so what? 900 damage is far from game-breaking.[/b]

this card is unaffected by spell cards or trap cards.
[b]Because your opponent will play Dark Hole or Torrential Tribute on this and, except, oh wait, that will never happen. This is pointless too.[/b]

if this card inflicts damage to your opponent, destroy 1 card with the same attribute or Type of the monster that this card destroyed by it's effect.
[b]Finally things are starting to get SLIGHTLY interesting, because at least this means this can kill another monster too. At least it's a +2 eff, no matter how situational it is. This actually has synergy with that "direct attack" thing, so it actually gets an use. Still, it doesn't change the fact that if your opponent attacked into this, you can't attack directly with this and this effect becomes pointless.[/b]

return this card to your hand at the end phase that this card is summoned.
[b]So you're making this even more slow than it is right now...?

-.-[/b]
[hr]
In short, the problems are that:
-It has two pointless effects
-Good use of its eff requires your opponent have 2 face-up monsters, and yet not attack this particular face-down

The first problem, you can easily solve by just negging them. The second problem is more depressing, and what makes this card bad.

I'd make it like this:
Level [s]3[/s][b]2[/b] EARTH Beast-Type
FLIP: [s]target 1monster: destroy 1 monster your opponent control with a same attribute or Type of the targeted monster except the targeted monster.[/s] [b]Target 1 face-up monster your opponent controls; Destroy it.[/b] If this card inflicts damage to your opponent: [s]Destroy 1 card with the same attribute or Type of the monster that this card destroyed by it's effect[/s] [b]Target 1 card your opponent controls; Destroy it[/b].
[s]on the turn that this card is flipped and the effect of this card successfully resolved,[/s] This card can attack your opponent directly[s]. this card is unaffected by spell cards or trap cards.
return this card to your hand at the end phase that this card is summoned.[/s]
[s]9[/s][b]5[/b]00/1600

Yeah, that's the competitiveness I'm looking for

[Akeno_Ederis_17]

[quote name='101100111000' timestamp='1329643865' post='5826503']
Well, I'd like to know if you can really make a rebuttal. :I
[/quote]

what do you mean?


[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1329644055' post='5826504']
Level 3 EARTH Beast-Type
flip: target 1monster: destroy 1 monster your opponent control with a same attribute or Type of the targeted monster except the targeted monster. on the turn that this card is flipped and the effect of this card successfully resolved, this card can attack your opponent directly. this card is unaffected by spell cards or trap cards. if this card inflicts damage to your opponent, destroy 1 card with the same attribute or Type of the monster that this card destroyed by it's effect. return this card to your hand at the end phase that this card is summoned.
900/1600

Okay, face it, this card is unusable.

Well, the OCG is terrible, but that's not a factor when I rate. The effect is just overall underpowered.
[hr]
Level 3 EARTH Beast-Type
[b]Okay, maybe being EARTH allows Naturia Synchros, but that doesn't count as a good point unless this card can be easily summoned too.[/b]

flip: target 1monster: destroy 1 monster your opponent control with a same attribute or Type of the targeted monster except the targeted monster.
[b]Well, apparently you don't know the existance of Snowman Eater, which basically does the same thing, except a gajillion times beter and less situational.[/b]

on the turn that this card is flipped and the effect of this card successfully resolved, this card can attack your opponent directly.
[b]Um, and...so what? 900 damage is far from game-breaking.[/b]

this card is unaffected by spell cards or trap cards.
[b]Because your opponent will play Dark Hole or Torrential Tribute on this and, except, oh wait, that will never happen. This is pointless too.[/b]

if this card inflicts damage to your opponent, destroy 1 card with the same attribute or Type of the monster that this card destroyed by it's effect.
[b]Finally things are starting to get SLIGHTLY interesting, because at least this means this can kill another monster too. At least it's a +2 eff, no matter how situational it is. This actually has synergy with that "direct attack" thing, so it actually gets an use. Still, it doesn't change the fact that if your opponent attacked into this, you can't attack directly with this and this effect becomes pointless.[/b]

return this card to your hand at the end phase that this card is summoned.
[b]So you're making this even more slow than it is right now...?

-.-[/b]
[hr]
In short, the problems are that:
-It has two pointless effects
-Good use of its eff requires your opponent have 2 face-up monsters, and yet not attack this particular face-down

The first problem, you can easily solve by just negging them. The second problem is more depressing, and what makes this card bad.

I'd make it like this:
Level [s]3[/s][b]2[/b] EARTH Beast-Type
FLIP: [s]target 1monster: destroy 1 monster your opponent control with a same attribute or Type of the targeted monster except the targeted monster.[/s] [b]Target 1 face-up monster your opponent controls; Destroy it.[/b] If this card inflicts damage to your opponent: [s]Destroy 1 card with the same attribute or Type of the monster that this card destroyed by it's effect[/s] [b]Target 1 card your opponent controls; Destroy it[/b].
[s]on the turn that this card is flipped and the effect of this card successfully resolved,[/s] This card can attack your opponent directly[s]. this card is unaffected by spell cards or trap cards.
return this card to your hand at the end phase that this card is summoned.[/s]
[s]9[/s][b]5[/b]00/1600

Yeah, that's the competitiveness I'm looking for
[/quote]

thanks for the suggestions and advice... youre right,, maybe its so situational that it became underpowered/pointless in someway..

thanks for the remake, but how bout this? :


[color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]FLIP:[/size][/font][/color][color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] [/size][/font][/color][size=3][b]Target 1 [/b][b][color="#b22222"]MONSTER[/color][color="#5a5a5a"] your opponent controls; Destroy it.[/color][/b][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif] If this card inflicts damage to your opponent: Destroy 1[color=#b22222][b] CARD [/b][/color][/font][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][b]your opponent controls[/b][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]. [/font][b]This card can attack your opponent directly[color=#800000]. IF THIS CARD WOULD BE DESTROYED, YOU CAN PAY 500 LIFE POINTS TO RETURN THIS CARD TO YOUR HAND INSTEAD. [/color][/b][/size]


[b][color=#800000] is it fine??[/color][/b]

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Hmm, I'm starting to feel it should also have something like "Once per turn, this card cannot be destroyed by battle". Also, should be a Level 2 with 500 ATK so it can be used for Synchros.

[Akeno_Ederis_17]

ahh.. should imake it a tuner??or its fine like that....???

if i add [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]"Once per turn, this card cannot be destroyed by battle" and kept the [/size][/font][/color][b][color=#800000]IF THIS CARD WOULD BE DESTROYED, YOU CAN PAY 500 LIFE POINTS TO RETURN THIS CARD TO YOUR HAND INSTEAD. would it make it OP?[/color][/b]

[b][color=#800000]you're really good at rating ^^[/color][/b]

[DARKPLANT RISING]

TBH that returning-to-hand-eff is unneeded, unless you're gonna make it WIND (in that case - DO IT). In fact, a lot of the time you wouldn't use it even if you could, given it would work in the graveyard too if you changed the stats and Level as I said. Also, the whole point of my advice on stats and Level are based on the fact this is a non-Tuner. If it became one, it'd be pointless.

Thanks on the being-good-at-rating note.

[Yosuke-kun]

Level 3 can still be used for Synchros, it's just... a bit slower and awkward-ish. But Junk Synchron works fairly well, and he's only Level 3.

I'd still listen to Venom on this area though. I'm not so great at this kinda stuff xD

The pics nice though.

[Akeno_Ederis_17]

ok then xD so ill edit that now xD

done XD

heres the repaired version :


[img]http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3044/332516z.jpg[/img]

FLIP:Target 1 monster your opponent controls; Destroy it. If this card inflicts damage to your opponent: Destroy 1 card your opponent controls. This card can attack your opponent directly. Once per turn, this card cannot be destroyed by battle.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Yeah, that's good.

[Akeno_Ederis_17]

thanks for the help