GKforever Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I really want to take this to YCS Long Beach. It's an unexpected deck and does well against Inzektors and Rabbit.[img]http://i.imgur.com/qVWlw.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Hoppers are bad outside dedication, and even then the take up too much space. Replace them 2 Squirrels and a Fox. Cancel is also bad and Mirror Force is too situational this format. Lose them for 2 Lumenize. Side D.D. Crows and main Veiler (Maxx Cs are preffered if not irl). Don't side burn crap, this deck can't side into that. You can also afford to drop Threatenings and One For One (since you're losing Hopper) for some better protection or consistency stuff. Or just put in 2 MSTs and a Heavy. (3 MSTs if you don't like Heavy with Trap Heavy decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKforever Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329974824' post='5835419'] Hoppers are bad outside dedication, and even then the take up too much space. Replace them 2 Squirrels and a Fox. Cancel is also bad and Mirror Force is too situational this format. Lose them for 2 Lumenize. Side D.D. Crows and main Veiler (Maxx Cs are preffered if not irl). Don't side burn crap, this deck can't side into that. You can also afford to drop Threatenings and One For One (since you're losing Hopper) for some better protection or consistency stuff. Or just put in 2 MSTs and a Heavy. (3 MSTs if you don't like Heavy with Trap Heavy decks. [/quote] Hoppers are the only reason I win actually. They are the win conidition imo. Cancel is a really good card also. It's a means of more stall time. As for the crows, there were so many times against Wind-Ups, Inzektors and DW 1st game I wish I had Crows. Crow is just too good not to main this format. The top tier decks revolve around the grave. Honestly, I hate Veiler and Maxx "C". They are the worst top decks in comparison to crow which can be a good top deck depending on the situation. Lava Golem and Volcanic Queen is to get rid of Laggia and Dolkka because it's not guaranteed that I will always have my hopper lock. I honestly can't believe you said drop the Threatenings. The card is just too good in the deck. I don't think you realize that this deck is really slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Hoppers take up space for a condition that'll rarely go off. Threatenings also take up space you can use for consistency and staples. Veiler stops Wind-Up loop just as well as Crow does. I can understand Lava but Queen gives them Synchro/Xyz fodder that's used for a lot. Cancel is a bad Warning. Lumenize does what Threatening wishes it could do: Give you a high attack direct attacker next turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKforever Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329976079' post='5835458'] Hoppers take up space for a condition that'll rarely go off. Threatenings also take up space you can use for consistency and staples. Veiler stops Wind-Up loop just as well as Crow does. I can understand Lava but Queen gives them Synchro/Xyz fodder that's used for a lot. Cancel is a bad Warning. Lumenize does what Threatening wishes it could do: Give you a high attack direct attacker next turn. [/quote] Actually, I obtain the hopper lock quite frequently. I chose Threatening and Waboku over Lumenize because it is chainable. I was hoping you would see that. Again, for variety. You won't always have 2 monsters to tribute on your opponent's side of the field and Dolkka can be very annoying. If Warning was at 3 then I would run 3 but it's not so Cancel is filling that place. Again, I don't think you know how slow the deck really is. Thanks for your input though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I've run Watts. I know how slow they are, but Cobra is what makes them quicker. Which also makes me wonder, y u no Sangan? (or Tour Guide if not irl) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKforever Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329976444' post='5835471'] I've run Watts. I know how slow they are, but Cobra is what makes them quicker. Which also makes me wonder, y u no Sangan? (or Tour Guide if not irl) [/quote] I do play sangan. O.O I have TGU's but it isn't good in everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdrack Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I Found this one aggro watt deck that may or may not be watt (i know awful pun) your looking for; It had 3 watt dragonflies, 3 cobras,3 giraffes a lava golem or two, and some fossil dynas. Basically set up messanger of peace and used cobra and girrafe to pound on them with defensive cards like threatening roars, watt cancel ect. Its really fun, easy and a huge pain. I could look it up again if you want. You forgot torrental and max c's by the way, sorry but those are some of the easiest ways to kill swarm/synchro/xys/alot of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Huh, missed that. And it's good here. Search Sangan, rank 3 or leave sangan for search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKforever Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 [quote name='qdrack' timestamp='1329976603' post='5835475'] I Found this one aggro watt deck that may or may not be watt (i know awful pun) your looking for; It had 3 watt dragonflies, 3 cobras,3 giraffes a lava golem or two, and some fossil dynas. Basically set up messanger of peace and used cobra and girrafe to pound on them with defensive cards like threatening roars, watt cancel ect. Its really fun, easy and a huge pain. I could look it up again if you want. You forgot torrental and max c's by the way, sorry but those are some of the easiest ways to kill swarm/synchro/xys/alot of things. [/quote] I would like to see Also, I didn't forget TT and Maxx "C". I think Torrential is a powerful card but it just isn't right for this deck. I need field presence. Honestly, I think Maxx "C" is a good and bad card. I rather top deck a Wattcobra rather than a Maxx "C". Just my opinion. [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329976653' post='5835477'] Huh, missed that. And it's good here. Search Sangan, rank 3 or leave sangan for search. [/quote] I've tried fitting the TGU but there just isn't any room. I would love to add them though. They just sitting in my binder looking pretty. Plus I want this deck to be as cheap as possible. I know the Fiendish Chains are worth some money but I have had them from before they were expensive. It feels good defeating a 500-600 dollar deck with a deck less than 40 dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdrack Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 makes sense gimme about 2 minutes i think i still have it on DN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Have you ever actually tried the deck without Hoppers? Honest question. I've just found it much better without them unless I'm doing a more protective based defensive instead of an offensive based defensive (like the Lumenize for example) And it's not like runnin Maxx over something is going to make it harder to topdeck Cobra, though Veiler or Crow needs to be run before it imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKforever Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329977107' post='5835493'] Have you ever actually tried the deck without Hoppers? Honest question. I've just found it much better without them unless I'm doing a more protective based defensive instead of an offensive based defensive (like the Lumenize for example) And it's not like runnin Maxx over something is going to make it harder to topdeck Cobra, though Veiler or Crow needs to be run before it imo. [/quote] Haven't tried it but I can just imagine what it would be like. You really don't understand how much the hoppers have saved me from losing duels. Each duel I have always goes down to the wire. The other good thing is that people don't know too much about watts and are unfamiliar with the startegy so that puts me at an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I suggest trying without the hoppers once or twice. If you're going down to the wire you need to try something different after all. Squirrels can screw your opponent over when the opponent decides to run over it, Lumenize once again gives you a direct attacking beater and if anything else you might wanna try to get those MSTs in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdrack Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 http://i.imgur.com/xABSG.jpg 2 fossil dyna 1 honest 2 max c 1 sangan 3 cobra 3 dragonflies 3 giraffe 1 wattfox (might want more... maybe) 1 dark hole 2 messanger of peace (really annoying ) 1 monster reborn 3 pot of duality 2 smashing 2 fiendish chain 2 magic cylinder (FTW!) 1 mirror-force 2 solemn warning 1solemn judgement 2 starlight road (so you also need 2 stardust) 3 threatening roars 1 torrential 1wattcancel SIDE 1 lava golem 1 wattpheasant 3 D fissures (3-D ) 2 leeching light 3 mst 2 black horn of heaven 2 chaos trap hole 1 macro Trust me, this deck is low tuner-wise but smacks people silly just the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 The above should use Macro instead of Fissures in the side because Fissure doesn't effect Inzektors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdrack Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I didn't build it and rarely dip in the side deck, but I'll take your word for it. Still I love this deck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I figured but it needed to be said, since Inzektors being treated as spell cards aren't effected by Fissure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdrack Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 So whaddiya think GK? Good, bad, good but not your style, dont have the cards/money,about to like my post cause the deck rocks? you like pastries with jelly in the middle? How about dump-cake? Can you tell I'm hungry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 *sees watts so comes in* *sees Aggro watts and takes a second to realize he doesn't mean me* Alright, you're obviously trying for the stall varient, which, though Miror will argue, I think is the better version. And despite what Miror said, this deck is already set up to make the Hopper lock. With 3 Dragonfly, 3 Cobra and One for One, there's enough searching power to get the hopperlock quick. In other words, it's already built for that. Macro Cosmos is actually quite a good idea to main in this type of deck since dragonfly's effect doesn't require it to be sent to the Graveyard. The only differences that would cause would be my suggestion of One for One being reconsidered and the hand traps limited a bit. Anyway, definitely put those Crow in the side for Effect Veilers, they're far more worth the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 >Called GKForever >Playing Watts lol Anyway good luck if you go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKforever Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 [quote name='Welche' timestamp='1329978934' post='5835537'] >Called GKForever >Playing Watts lol Anyway good luck if you go! [/quote] Life is a carnival, ain't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKforever Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329977526' post='5835504'] I suggest trying without the hoppers once or twice. If you're going down to the wire you need to try something different after all. Squirrels can screw your opponent over when the opponent decides to run over it, Lumenize once again gives you a direct attacking beater and if anything else you might wanna try to get those MSTs in. [/quote] I have to say that I would agree with you right now. I went to locals yesterday and got owned by inzektors. All of the time that I was trying to setup the Watt lock couldve been used to attack directly. I will be trying the deck without the hoppers for now and seeing how it plays. [img]http://i.imgur.com/E25Ms.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Stop using Wattcancel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKforever Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1330196804' post='5840132'] Stop using Wattcancel... [/quote] This any better? [img]http://i.imgur.com/SYInd.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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