Silencerleader Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I'm Christian. However' date=' I'm not one of those fundamentalist. The Bible is not meant to be read. It is meant to be interpreted. Much of the Old Testement is myths, made up to explain the world. So thus, they are not to be taken seriously. They're of course true, they just didn't happen. I do believe in God, very much. It's not a matter of "Okay I prayed, so give me what I ask." It doesn't work that way. You have to work toward it, with God's strength. He can help you get there, but it's our job to actually do it. I believe in evolution, as sprung forth by God. I don't believe in the literal story of Eden, which is merely the myth of the creation of the Jewish people. However, just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it isn't true.[/quote'] True....true...it makes sense and it is a very good concept and visual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 ok jspamax one thing is if you read the bible ETC you would find out about gods mericles and beleive in him and it says in the bible if he hasnt answered your call yet he will but you got to have faith in him .......... :) Still, in the bible it apparently says God Loves everyone, and the next Min theres a bit which says Homosexuality is wrong How Fantastically Contradictory ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoshIcy Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 ok jspamax one thing is if you read the bible ETC you would find out about gods mericles and beleive in him and it says in the bible if he hasnt answered your call yet he will but you got to have faith in him .......... :) Still' date=' in the bible it apparently says God Loves everyone, and the next Min theres a bit which says Homosexuality is wrong How Fantastically Contradictory ^_^[/quote'] lol, i explained that one to a member of my dads auntie... who was a HARDCORE christian... and i converted her to a atheist with a few simple words... ooh how cruel it was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox1895 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 okay atheist why dont you beleive in God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silencerleader Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 okay atheist why dont you beleive in God I'm not atheist, but he/she probably doesn't becuase of the things already mentioned...bad experience, no real interest, etc. But I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox1895 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 good speach g2g see ya peepl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silencerleader Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 good speach g2g see ya peepl What was the point of that post? Please don't do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rholowie Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Yes, as I said. The Old Testament cannot be taken literally. Remember, it's point was to explain the unknown and to keep order. Because man was considerd superior to woman, Jewish writers wanted to prevent men from using "intercourse" to take advantage of other men. This is why it is in Leviticus, the original religious laws of the ancient Jews. Next, homosexuality is not condemned. Male intercourse is, for the reason provided above. Never does it say, "Men are not allowed to be attracted to men." Nextly, man writes what man pleases. Although God may have been acting through him, man will use his free will to write as he sees fit, in regard to law, the needs of the people, and his own opinions. So, God cannot be blamed for the Bible's contradictions. The New Testament however, is truely the Word of God. God does not condemn homosexuality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Well still the lameness that is the Old Testament, still shapes some Religious Peoples minds, and makes them believe any act of man + man is wrong, i have seen factual documentarys which prove this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 It seems to me that there are two kinds of people. THere are the people who need faith, to know that something is there to help them to get through life. They find comfort in believing in god, and as to why, I shant elaborate. I am not here to offend. And then there is logic. People who understand science, the way of the world, and think more about function, the basics, how the world works, and have worked to be free from what fosters faith. I believe in logic.... many of my reasons are similar to Dj-Osiris' reason for being an atheist..... to me if something cannot manifest itself in a direct physical form i will not believe it' date=' but i will enjoy the humor of it... like yugioh and other popular things..... i guess what im called is an [i']agnostic[/i]... the messed up part is that with logic comes the similar cripples that hardcore religious people believe in..... i will not go in depth because how true logic works would take understanding similar to the buddhists in china who can null the feeling of cold and hot, which i seem to have mastered ^_^ Do you mean cold and hot physically, or is this eluding to emotion? both... i have myself in constant meditation so i don't feel hot/ cold weather or tempature... it freaks my family out, ive put my hands in -20 degree water for 30min- 1hr once and my hand was fine.... and i tend to not feel many emotions, as i have gotten rid of anger etc.... again a reason why i believe in logic..... i still do have some emotions, such as laughter, happiness, sadness, etc... just not any of the drives to get angry or inflict harm.... though i do have a small hatred for people who hate the jewish people, but that reason extends beyond logic and into something you will have to pm me to find out.... With that whole temperature thing, Damn. It seems your emotion is stronger than how affected you are by physical feelings. Emotions like grief, stress, and insecurity, those are the ones that need to be not felt. Since you feel sadness, I assume that you experience those forms of it rather than hatred and vengance that come of anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 okay atheist why dont you beleive in God The Crusades. I don't think any other reason is nessicary to prove how hyprcritical the existance of a deity is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rholowie Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Which is why I don't follow the laws of Christianity strictly. I have my own set of beliefs and interpret what is given to me, not accept it as true. And some people are arrogant and idiotic. And it's a sad fact that people in this world can't be more open minded. They simply take what is handed to them and swallow it up, like popular music. And those religious crazies seriously have to open their eyes I simply cannot see why people feel that way. If they're so high and might religous, why do they go around condeming people. Treat others the way you want to be treated. So, I ignore religious fanatics and am perfectly happy in my own little belief system, which I have derived from interpreting the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox1895 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 yea you right im kinda dumb ..... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoshIcy Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 It seems to me that there are two kinds of people. THere are the people who need faith' date=' to know that something is there to help them to get through life. They find comfort in believing in god, and as to why, I shant elaborate. I am not here to offend. And then there is logic. People who understand science, the way of the world, and think more about function, the basics, how the world works, and have worked to be free from what fosters faith. I believe in logic.... many of my reasons are similar to Dj-Osiris' reason for being an atheist..... to me if something cannot manifest itself in a direct physical form i will not believe it' date=' but i will enjoy the humor of it... like yugioh and other popular things..... i guess what im called is an [i']agnostic[/i]... the messed up part is that with logic comes the similar cripples that hardcore religious people believe in..... i will not go in depth because how true logic works would take understanding similar to the buddhists in china who can null the feeling of cold and hot, which i seem to have mastered ^_^ Do you mean cold and hot physically, or is this eluding to emotion? both... i have myself in constant meditation so i don't feel hot/ cold weather or tempature... it freaks my family out, ive put my hands in -20 degree water for 30min- 1hr once and my hand was fine.... and i tend to not feel many emotions, as i have gotten rid of anger etc.... again a reason why i believe in logic..... i still do have some emotions, such as laughter, happiness, sadness, etc... just not any of the drives to get angry or inflict harm.... though i do have a small hatred for people who hate the jewish people, but that reason extends beyond logic and into something you will have to pm me to find out.... With that whole temperature thing, Damn. It seems your emotion is stronger than how affected you are by physical feelings. Emotions like grief, stress, and insecurity, those are the ones that need to be not felt. Since you feel sadness, I assume that you experience those forms of it rather than hatred and vengance that come of anger. yeah... because of that trade off of no anger etc, i feel almost all forms of sadness and any emotion as such is intensified in its place. but this is also a cripple, because should anyone around me get hurt i cannot help them..... acting on that would be a form of anger and i lost that general emotion around the 5th grade.... and thanks ^_^.. even i find my ability to do that a tad creepy.... but that isnt the only physical part of me that has been enhanced, like i recognize the odor of someone similar to a dog would... but thats a story for another day.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox1895 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 dude you have the most amazing speeches the one 2 above me rholowie you should be like a speach dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Which is why I don't follow the laws of Christianity strictly. I have my own set of beliefs and interpret what is given to me' date=' not accept it as true. And some people are arrogant and idiotic. And it's a sad fact that people in this world can't be more open minded. They simply take what is handed to them and swallow it up, like popular music. And those religious crazies seriously have to open their eyes I simply cannot see why people feel that way. If they're so high and might religous, why do they go around condeming people. Treat others the way you want to be treated. So, I ignore religious fanatics and am perfectly happy in my own little belief system, which I have derived from interpreting the Bible.[/quote'] Can't complain if your not causing harm to people, or our system *cough*evangalism&scientology*cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox1895 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 actually hes religious not cough thingie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 actually hes religious not cough thingie lern2reed, then post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cael Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Woo! First Jew to post! So, yeah. I'm a Jew, and I believe in God, though not everything that I've learned during Hebrew School, because when there's enough scientific evidence of something, I'll believe in it, reasonably. I believe in the Big Bang,In Evolution,and in a lot of other things that religious nuts would condemn me to Hell for. I also believe that Heaven isn't a big fluffy place in the sky, but rather the Garden of Eden, and that some traditions are rather silly, like Shamash, because when God put that 'rule' into effect, he couldn't have known about the ease in which we use our electrical devices. I don't keep Kosher, because frankly, there are too many non-Kosher foods that I like, but I respect those who do. Something that I will always follow is no sex before marriage, not due to religion, but because I think sex is the final act you should perform with someone, and you should only do it with someone you want to spend the rest of your life with. There are a lot of times where I just think about what will happen after my death, and during those times a lot of doubts cross my mind, but I believe anyway, and I think that makes me stronger as a person. Emotionally, I'm pretty weak as a person. I'm prone to emotional injury rather than physical, and I will admit to crying when I get upset. It's just something I need to deal with, but I don't think it's linked to God at all. A final note: I don't think God intervenes in our current lives. That's why so much crap is happening. He's just waiting for us in the afterlife, and won't affect our free will on Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Slime Lord Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Which is why I don't follow the laws of Christianity strictly. I have my own set of beliefs and interpret what is given to me' date=' not accept it as true. And some people are arrogant and idiotic. And it's a sad fact that people in this world can't be more open minded. They simply take what is handed to them and swallow it up, like popular music. And those religious crazies seriously have to open their eyes I simply cannot see why people feel that way. If they're so high and might religous, why do they go around condeming people. Treat others the way you want to be treated. So, I ignore religious fanatics and am perfectly happy in my own little belief system, which I have derived from interpreting the Bible.[/quote'] Well put. I can say the same. I'm Methodist by the way. Apparently, we're the most tolerant of Christians. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoshIcy Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 hmmm... cael's response made me want to say something... with logic comes thinking and im gonna post what i believe is the afterlife.... i believe that when you die, because your conciousness is seperate from my body or at least it makes sense because no matter what happens you are thinking..... i believe that when you do die, in a sense you don't. instead you gain the ability to control what happens or at least create/ manifest those strange things you dream about like ninjutsu or hippos on a teeter-totter..... but at the same time, this reflects your own personal emotions limiting or enhancing your concept to create and destroy...... ooh and logic is a type of religion and agnostic is too... just more lacking and more physical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cael Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Regardless of what actually happens when you die, it would be horrible to think that you just become nothing. I mean, think about it. It's less than closing your eyes. You lose your ability to think. You can't even imagine it because you can't imagine yourself completely deprived of all sensory and thought whatsoever, you can only imagine the perspectives of the people that are still alive. It's creepy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Slime Lord Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Dude, that's pretty deep. But if you can't imagine anything, how would you imagine the perspectives of the people that are still alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cael Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 No, you don't imagine the perspectives of the living people while you're dead, you imagine the perspective of the living people because you're incapable of imagining your perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Slime Lord Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Hm, I guess I get it now. I can't really explain how I get it, but it does seem a little more clear now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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