Valkyrus Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 [img]http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb278/mario1092/n97gcz4.jpg[/img] I know, I know, I shouldn't be making Numbers, but I just couldn't help it. Anyways, for a long time I've thought there need to be more generic Rank 8's out there. And we only have Giant Killer at the moment. I didn't have much in mind while making this, other than "a generic rank 8 Xyz", so don't be too harsh. Any ideas, fixes, suggestions are welcome. Comment/rate/love/hate UPDATED ^^^ UPDATED a second time ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Big card, in all meanings. Let's start off by the summoning condition. 2 Level 8 monsters could've been difficult if Grapha didn't exist. Now, this would replace Number 15 in the Extra Deck of Dark World, or it would be run with Number 15. Because it's effect is extremely good. Getting 2 Graphas is fairly easy, and their summons is already a +1 in card advantage. Then, you can summon this under a +1 of card advantage. The effect of Zagato is also a +1, and you get to see your opponent's hand for free. You can easily control the game like this, since especially in Dark World you'll end up running the Viruses, which further assures control over your opponent's board and hand. My suggestion to not let this broken (As it kinda is now) is to not reveal their hand and add an additional cost, even if it's 1000 LP. Other than that, I love the picture, good job in shopping the number on the monster, and this template was always amazing. The effect is rather broken, but once the fixes are made, it should be amazing. Good job overall :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 [quote name='Mu-12' timestamp='1330947230' post='5858048'] Big card, in all meanings. Let's start off by the summoning condition. 2 Level 8 monsters could've been difficult if Grapha didn't exist. Now, this would replace Number 15 in the Extra Deck of Dark World, or it would be run with Number 15. Because it's effect is extremely good. Getting 2 Graphas is fairly easy, and their summons is already a +1 in card advantage. Then, you can summon this under a +1 of card advantage. The effect of Zagato is also a +1, and you get to see your opponent's hand for free. You can easily control the game like this, since especially in Dark World you'll end up running the Viruses, which further assures control over your opponent's board and hand. My suggestion to not let this broken (As it kinda is now) is to not reveal their hand and add an additional cost, even if it's 1000 LP. Other than that, I love the picture, good job in shopping the number on the monster, and this template was always amazing. The effect is rather broken, but once the fixes are made, it should be amazing. Good job overall :3 [/quote] Thank you for the thorough comment ^^ Actually, it's not just in DWs, it's already extremely easy to bring out Rank 8's with R8 Hieroglyphs and in Neo-Galaxy Decks. With the arrival of some new cards it'd be even easier (such as Galaxy Queen's Light.) So I guess I should water it down a little.. hmm, what about I add in the 1000 LP cost and the reveailing of cards is up to 2 instead of the whole hand? EDIT: I updated the card according to your suggestions ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Hey, Gandorator, you forgot Ennead exists for the first post. Anyhow, life costs are pretty damn meaningless, as already proved with Zeal Gigas and the Solemn Trio. That isn't how to balance something. Hate to say this given it's damn hilarious as a concept, but right now this is an pretty damn broken card. +1 every turn, and you basically get to know most of the moves your opponent'll do if you choose to topdeck his hand. The problem is, if your opponent can't get rid of this thing, it becomes a semi-Yata-Lock. You use this twice, and since two Graphas were sent to the Graveyard again, you get to SS them back, and make a second copy of this. Not as powerful as the divine crow himself, of course, given the opponent can set his entire hand, but that also means this has an hidden effect that forces your opponent to do that. Given so, you can now use your Heavy for massive +'s, and besides, if you use this in DWs, Lightning becomes a godly option. I say make it able to only send cards to the bottom. Effs that allow a draw-lock can be way more devastating than you can ever imagine. Then, it'd be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1330952329' post='5858090'] Hey, Gandorator, you forgot Ennead exists for the first post. Anyhow, life costs are pretty damn meaningless, as already proved with Zeal Gigas and the Solemn Trio. That isn't how to balance something. Hate to say this given it's damn hilarious as a concept, but right now this is an pretty damn broken card. +1 every turn, and you basically get to know most of the moves your opponent'll do if you choose to topdeck his hand. The problem is, if your opponent can't get rid of this thing, it becomes a semi-Yata-Lock. You use this twice, and since two Graphas were sent to the Graveyard again, you get to SS them back, and make a second copy of this. Not as powerful as the divine crow himself, of course, given the opponent can set his entire hand, but that also means this has an hidden effect that forces your opponent to do that. Given so, you can now use your Heavy for massive +'s, and besides, if you use this in DWs, Lightning becomes a godly option. I say make it able to only send cards to the bottom. Effs that allow a draw-lock can be way more devastating than you can ever imagine. Then, it'd be good. [/quote] Well, I knew about Ennead but running him outside of hieroglyphs is sorta meaningless, so even though he's generic, you can't run him (is not useful) in other decks that can make Rank 8's. Hmm, okay, I see your point. I'll remove the cost then and make it only the bottom of the deck then. I'll leave the revealing to up to 2 cards as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Remove the LP cost and make it discard something as an additional cost, so that it's more balanced :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1330952943' post='5858108'] Well, I knew about Ennead but running him outside of hieroglyphs is sorta meaningless, so even though he's generic, you can't run him (is not useful) in other decks that can make Rank 8's. [/quote] Um, excuse me? Hieroglyphs don't need Ennead at all. And Ennead does nice stuff at 1 in decks that spam Level 8s. Not good, but not bad either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 [quote name='Mu-12' timestamp='1330953252' post='5858111'] Remove the LP cost and make it discard something as an additional cost, so that it's more balanced :3 [/quote] [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1330953283' post='5858112'] Um, excuse me? Hieroglyphs don't need Ennead at all. And Ennead does nice stuff at 1 in decks that spam Level 8s. Not good, but not bad either. [/quote] but if he's not in hieroglyphs (or in a deck running some kind of a hieroglyph engine), he's just a 3000 ATK beatstick... well, I guess he could have its uses, but you'd usually go for Giant Killer over Ennead, right? Anyways, fixed yet again, how is it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Perfect now. Sorry for short post, but that's all I've got to say right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1330954050' post='5858122'] Perfect now. Sorry for short post, but that's all I've got to say right now. [/quote] it's alright, I'm glad it's balanced now. and since I found the numbers template I want to make even more Numbers.. ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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