Anonymous00 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Well, this is my next topic for the debate club, and I would really like to know your opinions on it. So, what do you think? Im not really sure that it would ensure success, I mean, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and Steve Jobs never finished college. But it is also true that they were geniuses. Anyway, what are your opinions on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Education is helpful, but not strictly necessary. Many people have become succesful, albiet not famous, without going to college. But you kinda need to attend grade school/middle school. Or homeschool. So you have a rudimentary understanding of math, english, reading, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous00 Posted March 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 [quote name='~Spike~' timestamp='1332971467' post='5892843'] Education is helpful, but not strictly necessary. Many people have become succesful, albiet not famous, without going to college. But you kinda need to attend grade school/middle school. Or homeschool. So you have a rudimentary understanding of math, english, reading, etc. [/quote] Indeed, but isn't talent what is most valued today? With 92% of the American population having graduated from college, everyone should have the same chance in success, but not everyone is successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Talent is useful. But your talking like successful means famous. I see successful as having a good job, with a nice family (if you have a family), sustaining yourself and family plus getting those little things that you dont really NEED but want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 It ensures nothing. You can be as smart as Einstein and still fail horribly. Motivation and drive are also one of the factors needed, among others. All Academic preparation does is help you succeed, it doesn't mean you will succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 http://people.howstuffworks.com/15-notable-people-who-dropped-out-of-school.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 With your level of spelling, I'm going to say that your academic preparation is going to lead you to very little success... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raine Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 [quote name='Anonymous00' timestamp='1332971589' post='5892844'] Indeed, but isn't talent what is most valued today? With 92% of the American population having graduated from college, everyone should have the same chance in success, but not everyone is successful. [/quote] Where are you getting your stats at, I pull up 38% of American graduate college. The real point though is that education past a certain point doesn't help in the real world but degrees and specialized education prepares and trains individuals for high-level jobs. You obviously can't be preforming open heart surgery out of high school thus the 7 years of trains and 3 of residency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 This all does, of course, depend on your definition of success. In general, there's something of a bell curve. Stupid and uneducated people don't do well. The very smartest and most educated people also tend to end up as "mere" scholars in various universities, and don't do all that much with their lives. It's smart--but not the smartest--people who make up the bulk of CEOs, politicians, and other "privileged" positions. Keep in mind, with people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, that for every one of them, there are hundreds or thousands who made similar life choices and ended in failure. The bottom line is that they took risks. Risks, by their very nature, have the possibility of negative consequences. A few people will walk away from their choices with the world in their hands. The rest will walk away with nothing. I can say this for sure. Graduating from Harvard would have been a much safer bet for Bill Gates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 To be honest, this system does not benefit people with the mentality that college is not necessary. You can be a high school dropout welder who is better at it than college grads, but the lack of credentials is weighed against you. Things that are self taught are meaningless now. I'm pretty good with 3D animation and can render near photo-real images within minutes. I'm good at it, and if I try to get a job out of it, I won't because I haven't graduated. I could be better than the whole of Pixar and I would still probably not be hired without a degree. The current job market is no longer based on skills, but the amount of money you're able to pay to get a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 What's success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 You don't need it to get a good life, but it increases the chances. /obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 The way I see it, most school settings help you meet people which can further you in life later on. In this world it is who you know over what you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 [quote name='~ P O L A R I S ~' timestamp='1333078538' post='5894616'] What's success? [/quote] [img]http://blogs.estadao.com.br/series-de-tv/files/2011/10/charlie-sheen.jpg[/img] OT: It does help but just by going to the school and sitting there won't bring you anything. Most success comes from dedication, interest and passion for whatever you're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 It might not ensure "success", but it sure does open up a lot of opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote name='Pacmanexus' timestamp='1333116432' post='5894882'] [img]http://blogs.estadao.com.br/series-de-tv/files/2011/10/charlie-sheen.jpg[/img] [/quote] Then I guess not. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM8oyrJn9Qc"]Relevant.[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocana Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 America has been plagued with this ideology that somehow going to college is a) the "right thing" to do, and ensures employment upon graduating. Neither of those are correct. And if we define success as "being happy or content with your life" as opposed to "financially stable" (the definition that society chooses to accept), then it helps even less. But if we're defining success as estadao.com.br, then I would have to agree that yes, academia does ensure it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='Vairocana' timestamp='1333322249' post='5898188'] But if we're defining success as estadao.com.br, then I would have to agree that yes, academia does ensure it. [/quote] WINNING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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