Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [img]http://i.imgur.com/liU4x.jpg[/img] Discuss my Icky GBs. Also, this deck has only lost twice. One was to a Hieratic OTK. The other was to an incredibly derpy Trap Card deck. It has taken on Dino Rabbit and stopped Laggia or Dolkka from even hitting the field. I want to make it better, but not rip it apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Do you like losing to Maxx "C"? Because it really does seem as if you do. Take out the Test Tigers, Prisma, Lanista and a Retiari. Put in 3 Rai-Oh. Take out Heavy and play 3rd MST. Take out Hero Lives for Smashings. Take out Icarus for Fiendish. Add in a Starlight. Also play Bottomless and D-Pris and Compuls or something idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I've only run into Maxx "C" once. And why remove the key cards of the deck (Icarus Attack, A Hero Lives) for staples that I have side-decked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1333378109' post='5898859'] I've only run into Maxx "C" once. And why remove the key cards of the deck (Icarus Attack, A Hero Lives) for staples that I have side-decked? [/quote] How the hell is Icarus Attack key? If you're taking out Lanista (terrible card) and Prisma, you have no reason to play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='Kokonoe' timestamp='1333378182' post='5898862'] How the hell is Icarus Attack key? If you're taking out Lanista (terrible card) and Prisma, you have no reason to play them. [/quote] Read above what this deck has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1333378289' post='5898868'] Read above what this deck has done. [/quote] Bottomless Trap Hole does the exact same thing if you want to get rid of Laggia/Dolkka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 So what's wrong with this deck, other than: 1. It isn't like other GB Decks and actually has a bit of uniqueness to it. 2. It has a slight weakness to Maxx "C". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1333378446' post='5898875'] So what's wrong with this deck, other than: 1. It isn't like other GB Decks and actually has a bit of uniqueness to it. 2. It has a slight weakness to Maxx "C". [/quote] unique =/= good. weakness to maxx "c" = losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Look. What's wrong with the deck? Seriously, please tell me in detail. The only reasoning I have heard for removing half of my deck and placing in things I side anyways is "Maxx 'C' will kill you". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1333378967' post='5898884'] Look. What's wrong with the deck? Seriously, please tell me in detail. The only reasoning I have heard for removing half of my deck and placing in things I side anyways is "Maxx 'C' will kill you". [/quote] It's such a commonly played card that you will end up losing matches because your opponent can draw a good amount of cards from your dropping A Hero Lives. You don't want to be playing a deck that loses to it this format or else... You really do lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='Kokonoe' timestamp='1333379055' post='5898888'] It's such a commonly played card that you will end up losing matches because your opponent can draw a good amount of cards from your dropping A Hero Lives. You don't want to be playing a deck that loses to it this format or else... You really do lose. [/quote] I know how powerful Maxx "C" is. But, again, does that warrant ripping my deck in two? Why can't I just side some Rai-Ohs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Normal GBs and A Hero Lives GBs have the exact same goal purpose done in different ways. When one is strictly mediocre to the other, why run the mediocre version? And no, being 'different' and 'unique' is not a reason. Edit: Wait, how does Rai-Oh help against Maxx "C"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333379131' post='5898894'] Normal GBs and A Hero Lives GBs have the exact same goal purpose done in different ways. When one is strictly mediocre to the other, why run the mediocre version? And no, being 'different' and 'unique' is not a reason. [/quote] Again. EXPLAIN. What is with everyone automatically assuming that everyone knows everything about everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333379131' post='5898894'] Normal GBs and A Hero Lives GBs have the exact same goal purpose done in different ways. When one is strictly mediocre to the other, why run the mediocre version? And no, being 'different' and 'unique' is not a reason. Edit: Wait, how does Rai-Oh help against Maxx "C"? [/quote] Rai-Oh helps against Sangan, numerous searchers and Hieratics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='Kokonoe' timestamp='1333379210' post='5898897'] Rai-Oh helps against Sangan, numerous searchers and Hieratics [/quote] I know that, but why can't I just side it? And why is Lanista so terrible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1333379180' post='5898895'] Again. EXPLAIN. What is with everyone automatically assuming that everyone knows everything about everything? [/quote] I did explain. A Hero Lives GBs does the exact thing as normal GBs. How is that hard to understand? They're both GB builds. They both based on a normal GB strategy. If you're playing GBs, and you don't know their strategy? The only difference is one is vulnerable to Maxx "C". [quote name='Kokonoe' timestamp='1333379210' post='5898897'] Rai-Oh helps against Sangan, numerous searchers and Hieratics [/quote] Well, yes, but he wanted to side Rai-Oh solely for Maxx "C". Lanista is bad because Darius does the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1333379450' post='5898899'] I know that, but why can't I just side it? And why is Lanista so terrible? [/quote] Because Rai-Oh is extremely good in the main with a good backrow, which you're not running right now honestly. Click on the deck in my sig to see a good GB that nearly won one of YCM's biggest tourneys. Lanista's terrible because it banishes resources and you'd much rather just have Darius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333379465' post='5898901'] I did explain. A Hero Lives GBs does the exact thing as normal GBs. How is that hard to understand? They're both GB builds. They both based on a normal GB strategy. If you're playing GBs, and you don't know their strategy? The only difference is one is vulnerable to Maxx "C". Well, yes, but he wanted to side Rai-Oh solely for Maxx "C". Lanista is bad because Darius does the exact same thing. [/quote] But you never said which one is vulnerable. And if they do very similar things, why not run both, since one has Icarus potential? [quote name='Kokonoe' timestamp='1333379549' post='5898903'] Because Rai-Oh is extremely good in the main with a good backrow, which you're not running right now honestly. Click on the deck in my sig to see a good GB that nearly won one of YCM's biggest tourneys. Lanista's terrible because it banishes resources and you'd much rather just have Darius. [/quote] But Lanista can be used for Icarus Attack, and then... I'm never getting through to you people, am I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1333379561' post='5898904'] But you never said which one is vulnerable. And if they do very similar things, why not run both, since one has Icarus potential? [/quote] 1 Icarus with 1 target is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='Kokonoe' timestamp='1333379612' post='5898905'] 1 Icarus with 1 target is bad. [/quote] Who ever said it would have 1 target? I don't understand you...I just wanted a few tips, not for my entire deck to be ripped a new one. It's just 1 little card that I have barely run into. All of this trouble for 1 card? ...Was it the pun? Was the fact that I called my deck Icky (as in ICARUS ATTACK) the thing that started all of you off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1333379561' post='5898904'] But you never said which one is vulnerable. And if they do very similar things, why not run both, since one has Icarus potential? [/quote] I'm pretty sure I very heavily implied that it was your build that was vulnerable since half the thread is complaining that your build is vulnerable to Maxx "C". Icarus potential isn't relevant really. You can give any deck a small Blackwing engine and 3 Icarus Attack and say it has 'Icarus potential'. Doesn't mean it's better. In this format, Icarus Attack isn't relevant because it doesn't help against the majority of meta decks. Why run Lanista, a card that's heavily outclassed, for Icarus Attack (another card that's heavily outclassed)? The only use Icarus Attack this format is for getting rid of Rabbit decks. However, Bottomless Trap Hole does the same thing and helps against many others because of banishing. Therefore, you should run Bottomless Trap Hole. Lanista is bad because you can just run Darius if you want Gyzarus. Therefore, you don't run Lanista because Darius is sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333379883' post='5898911'] I'm pretty sure I very heavily implied that it was your build that was vulnerable since half the thread is complaining that your build is vulnerable to Maxx "C". Icarus potential isn't relevant really. You can give any deck a small Blackwing engine and 3 Icarus Attack and say it has 'Icarus potential'. Doesn't mean it's better. In this format, Icarus Attack isn't relevant because it doesn't help against the majority of meta decks. Why run Lanista, a card that's heavily outclassed, for Icarus Attack (another card that's heavily outclassed)? The only use Icarus Attack this format is for getting rid of Rabbit decks. However, Bottomless Trap Hole does the same thing and helps against many others because of banishing. Therefore, you should run Bottomless Trap Hole. Lanista is bad because you can just run Darius if you want Gyzarus. Therefore, you don't run Lanista because Darius is sufficient. [/quote] And we come back to Maxx "C". I have only run into the card once with the deck, and he only drew 1 card because of it. This deck has performed excellently, and I still don't get the justification to radically change it all because of 1 single little card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1333380023' post='5898914'] And we come back to Maxx "C". I have only run into the card once with the deck, and he only drew 1 card because of it. This deck has performed excellently, and I still don't get the justification to radically change it all because of 1 single little card. [/quote] Okay, fine, let me give you another reason. The A Hero Lives engine takes up a retarded amount of space which you can fill with cards that are just good that don't cost half your Life Points. Like extra consistency techs. Like Rai-Oh, or Fiendish Chain, Gorz, or a second Warning which you're missing for no reason. Glads don't [b]need [/b]speed. Why? Because Glads will never outspeed Wind-Ups or Inzektors. You can only hope for being good at control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333380266' post='5898917'] Okay, fine, let me give you another reason. The A Hero Lives engine takes up a retarded amount of space which you can fill with cards that are just good that don't cost half your Life Points. Like extra consistency techs. Like Rai-Oh, or Fiendish Chain, Gorz, or a second Warning which you're missing for no reason. Glads don't [b]need [/b]speed. Why? Because Glads will never outspeed Wind-Ups or Inzektors. You can only hope for being good at control. [/quote] I don't duel against those decks anyways, so why not try and be good in the category I try to duel in? And why not have speed and control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1333380465' post='5898921'] I don't duel against those decks anyways, so why not try and be good in the category I try to duel in? [/quote] What's this category anyway? If you're one of those crazy people who go on DN and say, "HERP DERP NO WIND-UPS NO INZEKTORS NO META DECKS" I'm sorry but no-one's helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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