L0SS Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 So, what is Determa? Determa is an archetype that emphasizes set monster card summons, which give high field control but are balanced in the fact that they cannot attack straight away. They also use card recycling by returning monsters to the hand when Special Summoning as opposed to sending them to the graveyard. This ensures usable and deadly combos and they can easily be combined with Xyz monsters to make for some fast OTKs. Your thoughts and criticism is appreciated. [img]http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/TheTurtle/createcard-10.jpg[/img] When this card is Summoned successfully, you can Special Summon 1 level 4 or lower "Determa" monster from your hand in Face-Down defense position by revealing it to your opponent. [img]http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/TheTurtle/createcard-1-1.jpg[/img] This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by returning 2 face-down "Determa" monsters to your hand (These cards must be revealed to your opponent). Once per turn, by discarding 1 "Determa" monster you can reveal 1 "Determa" monster in your hand to Special Summon it in Face-Down defense position. [img]http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/TheTurtle/createcard-2-1.jpg[/img] Once per turn you can tribute 1 monster you control to Special Summon 1 "Determa" monster from your Deck in Face-Down defense position by revealing it to your opponent. [img]http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/TheTurtle/createcard-3-1.jpg[/img] You can send this Face-Down defense position monster to the Graveyard to add 1 "Determa" monster from your Deck to your hand. [img]http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/TheTurtle/createcard-4-1.jpg[/img] You can reveal this card in your hand and return one monster you control to the hand to Special Summon this monster in Face-Down defense position. When this card is Face-Up on the Field, You can Set one extra monster in addition to your Normal Summon. [img]http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/TheTurtle/createcard-5-1.jpg[/img] If this card is in Face-Down defense position when your opponent Special Summons a monster, you can return this card to your hand and reveal it to your opponent to negate the Special Summon and destroy the monster. [img]http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/TheTurtle/createcard-6-1.jpg[/img] When this card is Normal Summoned, you can return any number of Face-Down defense position "Determa" monsters from your side of the Field to your hand by revealing them to your opponent. This card gains 800 ATK for each monster returned by this effect. [img]http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/TheTurtle/createcard-7-1.jpg[/img] Select 1 Face-Down defense position monster you control; that monster is treated as a "Determa" monster until the End Phase. [img]http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/TheTurtle/createcard-8-1.jpg[/img] Whenever a "Determa" monster you control is returned to your hand; draw 1 card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Panda^.^ Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 pretty nice card, even tho it kind of reminds me of my own proud cards still very creative but you should have little cost since they are swarming too much, and theyre DEF is quite high among most of them...but pretty nice care to edit mine if you can??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 You mean post feedback and shiz? No problemo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightm@re-X Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Ok, I like the Archetype. I like how they work with each other by returning them to hand and setting each other. But the weird thing is...How in the world do you SS a monster Face down? Why don't you just say in the effect...Set it. Because whatever you do, even if you normal Summoned once, you can still set or normal summon AGAIN AND AGAIN as long as the effect says it. Determa Tri, Overlord and Forsake: Nothing to say about Tri since its a good normal simple effective effect monster to the archetype. About overlord, nice 2800 beatstick, can summoned easily since Determas set themselves (the whole point). Forsake's a good summoning search Determa Manti: It should be like this...I guess? [While this card is in face-down defence position, you can reveal it to your opponent then send this card to the Graveyard to add 1 "Determa" monster from your Deck to your hand. Another good searcher... Determa Ware and Scorn: Nothing to say about Ware. Scorn, High DEF for a level 4 monster with a destruction effect. I know Destiny Hero Defender has higher...but as I remember, Defender had one freaking low ATK and an effect that supports your opponent..... Determa Ciel: So if you normal summoned it while you have 4 set Determa monsters....3200? good....I guess. But then Determa Draw kicks in...making you draw 4? Omg.......This should work with an Exodia deck I guess? Determa Decoy: Good spell if you are missing some set determa monsters. Determa Draw: Good drawing engine since Determas return to the hands by their effects. The whole thing....is kinda boring to me sorry. Because I don't see anything amusing. After you set them...Then what? Maybe you would care to explain to me please. And also, Is this complete? And some of the pictures are not really nice though.... I guess overall....7/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted April 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 [quote=Nightm@re-X]Ok, I like the Archetype. I like how they work with each other by returning them to hand and setting each other. But the weird thing is...How in the world do you SS a monster Face down? Why don't you just say in the effect...Set it. Because whatever you do, even if you normal Summoned once, you can still set or normal summon AGAIN AND AGAIN as long as the effect says it. Determa Tri, Overlord and Forsake: Nothing to say about Tri since its a good normal simple effective effect monster to the archetype. About overlord, nice 2800 beatstick, can summoned easily since Determas set themselves (the whole point). Forsake's a good summoning search Determa Manti: It should be like this...I guess? [While this card is in face-down defence position, you can reveal it to your opponent then send this card to the Graveyard to add 1 "Determa" monster from your Deck to your hand. Another good searcher... Determa Ware and Scorn: Nothing to say about Ware. Scorn, High DEF for a level 4 monster with a destruction effect. I know Destiny Hero Defender has higher...but as I remember, Defender had one freaking low ATK and an effect that supports your opponent..... Determa Ciel: So if you normal summoned it while you have 4 set Determa monsters....3200? good....I guess. But then Determa Draw kicks in...making you draw 4? Omg.......This should work with an Exodia deck I guess? Determa Decoy: Good spell if you are missing some set determa monsters. Determa Draw: Good drawing engine since Determas return to the hands by their effects. The whole thing....is kinda boring to me sorry. Because I don't see anything amusing. After you set them...Then what? Maybe you would care to explain to me please. And also, Is this complete? And some of the pictures are not really nice though.... I guess overall....7/10[/quote] You've hit the nail on the head their. Thanks for advising me on some Description clean up, I shall heed your advice. As for your un-interest, you could argue that this archetype doesn't push boundaries, but I tried to create a realistic and usable set that would give high swarm capability but due to them being set, it's almost as if they cannot attack for one turn; giving them some balance. The whole idea was to create a strong defense based archetype, as their are very few competitive defense based decks. As for the images, I thought they were really cool. Thanks for your feedback though, it has been pretty helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda^.^ Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 yes i been feed back and those stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightm@re-X Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='Tqne' timestamp='1335365125' post='5924898'] You've hit the nail on the head their. Thanks for advising me on some Description clean up, I shall heed your advice. As for your un-interest, you could argue that this archetype doesn't push boundaries, but I tried to create a realistic and usable set that would give high swarm capability but due to them being set, it's almost as if they cannot attack for one turn; giving them some balance. The whole idea was to create a strong defense based archetype, as their are very few competitive defense based decks. As for the images, I thought they were really cool. Thanks for your feedback though, it has been pretty helpful. [/quote] [quote name='Tqne' timestamp='1335365125' post='5924898'] You've hit the nail on the head their. Thanks for advising me on some Description clean up, I shall heed your advice. As for your un-interest, you could argue that this archetype doesn't push boundaries, but I tried to create a realistic and usable set that would give high swarm capability but due to them being set, it's almost as if they cannot attack for one turn; giving them some balance. The whole idea was to create a strong defense based archetype, as their are very few competitive defense based decks. As for the images, I thought they were really cool. Thanks for your feedback though, it has been pretty helpful. [/quote] Oh snap, If I ever said I hated them then I'm so sorry, I never meant it that way. I like the idea of Swarming set monsters. But its like, what's stopping me, after I set, I cannot attack nor anything happens. But anyways, since these are so fond of being SET then why don't you make FLIP effects? It wouldn't hurt since they're SET anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted April 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Don't worry, I never implied that you had said you hated them; just that, as you highlighted, they uninterested you as didn't like the set mechanic. In answer to your question about what to do when set, I suppose my answer is wait. Their main goal is to set them up early, using Tri to get another card face-down in order to get Overlord on the field ASAP. Scorn also has a use when set, as it can negate special summon. Using a card such as Ciel brings new to play to set monsters as well. You could argue that this type of play is quite slow, but is that such of a bad thing? I hope that clears up your questions, and Flip effects are definitely something I could harness. Thanks for your continued input, and please don't misinterpret this as some continued defiance, I just want to shed some light on my view of the cards uses. -Stay frosty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightm@re-X Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='Tqne' timestamp='1335450242' post='5925688'] Don't worry, I never implied that you had said you hated them; just that, as you highlighted, they uninterested you as didn't like the set mechanic. In answer to your question about what to do when set, I suppose my answer is wait. Their main goal is to set them up early, using Tri to get another card face-down in order to get Overlord on the field ASAP. Scorn also has a use when set, as it can negate special summon. Using a card such as Ciel brings new to play to set monsters as well. You could argue that this type of play is quite slow, but is that such of a bad thing? I hope that clears up your questions, and Flip effects are definitely something I could harness. Thanks for your continued input, and please don't misinterpret this as some continued defiance, I just want to shed some light on my view of the cards uses. -Stay frosty. [/quote] Being slow is never a bad thing my friend, ever. Just keep these Determa comings and I'll be there to comment more And I will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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