Guest Hell Marquis - Kokonoe Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Because of the fact that it really didn't work that much, the Advanced Clause is now out of effect. Go crazy, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest God Crouton!!! Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 But, we have like, 2 other mods to keep it going. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hell Marquis - Kokonoe Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 But, we have like, 2 other mods to keep it going. :( Nope. I don't wish for any of my works to be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Icy Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I'm still a very big fan of it. However not against newbies, so in the meantime I'll moderate as per the rules I had (and maybe think of some kind of event for fun). But I do wish for some standard of it to be maintained (which is why I permitted it in the first place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Neo Galaxy Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I think you should come up with an event of some sort that really gets the community active in making cards again. I've found it very enjoyable recently, but there's hardly any activity here at all. It's like a barren wasteland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Icy Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I think you should come up with an event of some sort that really gets the community active in making cards again. I've found it very enjoyable recently, but there's hardly any activity here at all. It's like a barren wasteland. I've actually got one in mind (a very good one at that). That may even get Koko back on board, with or without the reason that pushed the rock a little further. So just keep as you are, there should be a thread up within 24hrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroninja15 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I think you should come up with an event of some sort that really gets the community active in making cards again. I've found it very enjoyable recently, but there's hardly any activity here at all. It's like a barren wasteland. Because of the "new" rule.Now that it's gone,we can finally express our self and find creative strategy for our cards.Another reason why we don't make cards as often is because it takes us a long period of time to make our cards.It will be pointless to see our cards banned and we put our heart into it.:/ It might take weeks to make cards,maybe months.So please don't make rules that can ruin that for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Personally I stopped posting actively because of this rule. Now I can get posting again! It will lead to some fun, hopefully :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherz Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 So, is it out or in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Because of the "new" rule.Now that it's gone,we can finally express our self and find creative strategy for our cards.Another reason why we don't make cards as often is because it takes us a long period of time to make our cards.It will be pointless to see our cards banned and we put our heart into it.:/ It might take weeks to make cards,maybe months.So please don't make rules that can ruin that for everyone.Funny, because I've been expressive and finding creative strategies for my cards even with the clause. If you really do put your heart into making your cards, then they probably won't be banned. And I doubt making sets would take months to make, although a really big archetype could take a couple of weeks. This wasn't meant to limit free expression, it was meant to stop spammy, pointless cards, which inundated the forum before the clause was enacted. Freedom without limits is just a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Icy Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 So, is it out or in? For now follow the generic RC rules that is written in the Rules topic. Any clarifications can be PM'd to me.And please no obvious questions with obvious answers. If there is a "what if" on clarification scenario and it's not tragic, I will typically let the first person slide. However if you have a feeling you should ask, ASK BEFORE POSTING. I do not tolerate situations where it would be better to "If you have to ask, don't do it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 You mods can pretty much do whatever you want, now that I think about it, what with YCMaker being MIA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Icy Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 You mods can pretty much do whatever you want, now that I think about it, what with YCMaker being MIA... You are implying that he ever had rules for us to follow and abide by. The staff could always do what we wanted. Doesn't make it right though. About my event though, I have nearly everything ready as well as the incentives to suit it. But I'm struggling with whether or not it's worth it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 I honestly think the mods should still keep on warning meaningless posts like "cool" and "awesome" and "nice". Or, are they still treated as spam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hell Marquis - Kokonoe Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Because of the "new" rule.Now that it's gone,we can finally express our self and find creative strategy for our cards.Another reason why we don't make cards as often is because it takes us a long period of time to make our cards.It will be pointless to see our cards banned and we put our heart into it.:/ It might take weeks to make cards,maybe months.So please don't make rules that can ruin that for everyone. Absolutely awful reasoning and has given me reason to think about re-instating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Absolutely awful reasoning and has given me reason to think about re-instating it.In fact, Kokonoe, this guy's broken the Advanced Clause rule for like, quite literally a hundred times so far. I don't think it has to be as strict as before, but you should definitely keep something to stop these people from dominating this section. On a separate note, I think I'll make a good RC mod if you guys are looking for more active Staff Members (the way you guys said it, it seems this clause is gonna expire because there's no one to look over the section). I know lots about RC, I'm experienced, and I'm very active. And, (I doubt you guys will believe me, but) I know when and how to get serious if the need arises. Not to mention, most of the guys around here know me well, and most have a positive relationship with me. Well, I wouldn't mind if you say no; it's just a little harmless thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hell Marquis - Kokonoe Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 In fact, Kokonoe, this guy's broken the Advanced Clause rule for like, quite literally a hundred times so far.I don't think it has to be as strict as before, but you should definately keep something to stop these people from dominating this section.Also, I think I'll make a good RC mod if you guys need more active Staffs We know. Me and Josh tried to ban him for a month and... it... it didn't work, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Damn, you replied before I edited. I was serious with the mod stuff. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hell Marquis - Kokonoe Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Damn, you replied before I edited.I was serious with the mod stuff. :( I know you are. There's a few factors though: • I may not be able to step down. Mainly because of the fact that Black decided to throw a hissy fit before I did and ask for his demotion before I did. I'd feel bad about allowing the section to be purely up to new moderators.• No-one capable of demoting me. Will be stuck with moderator for a while. • There's still quite a few Custom Card moderators... Albeit inactive. Chances are I probably won't be leaving now. Got a little bit flustered on the night because my "partner" decided to do an exceedingly dick thing, but I'm better now. I'll write up some new rules for Realistic Cards and post them with the next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 If you need my help, I'm always up for it. :3 Well, but I understand - okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 From now on I shall be significantly more active due to the fact that I had my last exams this week. It's a great shame to see this thing fall apart, and the reason it has is because it has not been enforced as much as it should have been, and that's because moderators like me have not been, or are otherwise unable, to do their jobs. One of the reasons this concept worked so well in Role-Playing was that it's a lot easier to fill the quota of six sentences (or whatever it is) with character development. To make a good post in RC, thought is required. Or put more simply, you need to find more things to comment on. You need to think deeply and infer. It requires work, and therefore feels like it. And not a lot of people, particularly those on this, enjoy the feeling of work. They probably come here for downtime. But reasoning aside, the reason this scheme ground to a halt is because the incentives were all out of whack. I remember the introduction of the Advanced Clause in RP because it was so strongly enforced. Practically everyone who broke it was swiftly reprimanded, and this crackdown continued. After such a period of enforcement, the incentive to not break the clause was a lot more pronounced. Here, it's a lot easier to get away with. In hindsight, we were far too soft. We didn't have much of a plan beyond the introduction of the AC itself. But we understand that this scheme has a lot of value and can quite easily be fixed with several changes to the incentive structure. 1. We incentivize reporting. This kind of scheme doesn't work with traffic wardens, but works perfectly here. Get some GFXer to create a banner that is given to "Good Community Members". We give likes to people who report accurately, which leads nicely to the next point...2. Enforce the Advanced Clause very strictly enforced for an (undisclosed to the public) amount of time greater than five days. This should get the message across, and more importantly, ingrain the idea of an advanced clause in new members. Eventually, like the RP AC, people will just get used to it.3. Simplify it. Don't make it proportional to your stars, that just over-complicates it. This step obviously requires some discussion to develop a solution, so it may take a short while. And finally, encourage all staff to be on the ball from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest God Crouton!!! Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 I like Botvinnik, who I've gotten accustomed to calling Mikhail, who was also once Alfred, but is now Botvinnik now. I like his above ideas. The problem with AC wasn't AC, but the fact that not enough was done to enforce it. There's only like, how many RC mods regularly on? Black? Koko? They can't be expected to hit all the offenders. We, the members, especially regulars like myself and others, should make more of the effort to report AC-violators, and I haven't been doing that, so that will change from now on, especially after a certain member's worthless crap post that prompted me to report him. In addition, have you considered banning a repeat offender for a set couple days, and even posting it in the thread as a response to the offending post for people to read? It makes them realize there are consequences beyond a petty warn, that they will be made a public example of if they carry on like that do. Adding to Bot's (can I call you Bot?) post about word limits, 60 isn't that bad. There are a lot of ways you can fit the limit without BSing the system, and I frequently end up posting 70+ words instead. List examples of playability, toss in a topical joke about some aspect of the card/set (I wrote the OP for a HERO set in a Frank Miller style of dialogue while explaining the ideas behind the set,) even combos. Heck, a lot of my single cards, like Koa'ki Meiru Powerstone on page 1 of this section, are based on actual decks I play. I try to avoid too much information to make more for people to bring up in posts. We could try 40 words for all levels if that's too hard. Even 6 sentences like mentioned above. But yeah, AC enforcement isn't a mod's job. It's the section's job, and, in time, we (hopefully) won't have another episode where Koko has to lock 97% of page 1's threads because they all broke AC. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Icy Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Well I should be on regularly again after tomorrow. I don't really announce my leaves though. But I was gone due to FAFSA and gaming duties. Education and friends first right? That being said, I feel zero need to comment on anything Koko or Darkplant has said. She covers well and I trust her bite. As for Alfred/Mikhail, you will take no action here until you actually start moderating in the section, act your weight do not speak it, and your track record for that is less than desirable, akin to mine but I am trying rather than simply talking. At the moment, Crouton has greater weight than you. So you will encourage nothing until Black, Koko, or I can officially comment on your actions. No words: Bans, locks, participating in judging cards, being a cardmaker etc. If I am wrong about my above statement though, I fully retract it and apologize. As for what Crouton has said I actually believe the same thing. But the AC is Koko's puppy/kitten, so the rules and how we deal with it are up to her until it proves significantly undesirable, or a better alternative comes around. And she has kept the discussion thread's open, which means she must in some way still want to hear ideas publicly rather than simple PM complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yuzuru Otonashi Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 I stepped down because of stress, helping out at my gparents' this summer, and other priorities among private issues. There was neither a hissy fit nor an attempt to throw another moderator under the bus, just a simple request to no longer be a moderator, which I decided to keep quiet until the time actually came. I don't have the time or patience for this job right now, and less and less time for YCM as well, so I elected to step down instead of having on-the-job friction add to the stress as well as being another inactive moderator. The Advanced Clause shouldn't be killed at all. It did good, even if it took some people a while to get it through their heads (Worst I experienced was, like... a month of constant warns for it.) People that stopped posting because of it don't belong in the section, anyway. If the staff of the section could be bothered to enforce it, then it'd succeed with flying colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hatcher Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 As for Alfred/Mikhail, you will take no action here until you actually start moderating in the section, act your weight do not speak it, and your track record for that is less than desirable, akin to mine but I am trying rather than simply talking. At the moment, Crouton has greater weight than you. So you will encourage nothing until Black, Koko, or I can officially comment on your actions. No words: Bans, locks, participating in judging cards, being a cardmaker etc.Woah woah woah. ... What? Problem: We have less active mods in the CC section then we'd likeSolution: Ask Mikhail (who is a moderator and who recently has more free time) not to moderate. Are you actively trying to sabotage the section here? Why the funk does Mik have to answer to you, Black or Koko? You literally say that his track record is akin to yours (hence you are equals) and Black and Koko have one foot out the door, just waiting for YCMaker to give them the last word (lol). You mods can pretty much do whatever you want, now that I think about it, what with YCMaker being MIA...Mods still have to answer to one another and (presumably!?) to the other members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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