NetworkBannana Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Well, I'm new to these forums, and i'd figure that i wouldn't want to make the classic "New to forums, please help" post. I figured maybe i could start out with an interesting conversation with you guys. Well i know this is only a site for "Yu-Gi-Oh!", but I would like to know how many of you know about chi, and if any of you are good with it, could you give me some advice. Chi is a premise, i know about, but still need some good information from active users of Chi. I don't necessarily believe it, and i don't exactly do. But i would like to know your thoughts on it. I know this may be a sudden change of pace for the forums, but please give it a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimiri of the Muse Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 The last yugioh related topic in this part of the forums was -counts on fingers- uhm... forever ago... this section is mostly just for anything but yugioh. As for chi... eh on the fence with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFauKorean Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 as a marital artist but not really, I have mixed feelings on the concept of chi. like me when I fight, I don't think about mental or spiritual energy, Instead I interpret it to be more, will to fight and tenacity. so as a fighter in the moment of the, I say blah, a load of crap. but at the same time a few masters and a few friends who've managed to blow my frekin mind with demonstrations of chi have proved other wise. using kiai's to kill animals thanks to power of chi/ki/ke/chakara w/e you want to call it, and explodinating the lowest brick in a stack by hitting the top, I've have seen first hand. I've for a short period of time used meditation to heal pain, manipulate fatigue, feel at ease and temporarily achieve acute alertness. (although I categorized manipulating fatigue with conscious REM) So although I do not really Practice it it myself, and lack some confidence in its application in comparison to your everyday physics and chemistry, I think the concept itself exist as a blatant reality. which kind of scares me knowing that, because I don't have any application to it, I could probably be murdered by chi proficient murim any second now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 What Korean has stated is very interesting. I lack knowledge on the subject, but I suppose it could be relatively accurately be interpreted as a matter of concentration and focus. It reminds me of demonstations of shaolin monks. These people are excellent fighters (or that is the impression the cause to me) through what I specualte to be constant practise, concentration and a way of life, a philosophy. Therefore, if the shaolin example is valid, we arrive to the conclusion that "chi", interpreted as concentration, practise and state of mind, is a reality. Korean, do you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFauKorean Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 [quote name='Scrooge' timestamp='1342617104' post='5981802'] What Korean has stated is very interesting. I lack knowledge on the subject, but I suppose it could be relatively accurately be interpreted as a matter of concentration and focus. It reminds me of demonstations of shaolin monks. These people are excellent fighters (or that is the impression the cause to me) through what I specualte to be constant practise, concentration and a way of life, a philosophy. Therefore, if the shaolin example is valid, we arrive to the conclusion that "chi", interpreted as concentration, practise and state of mind, is a reality. Korean, do you agree? [/quote] chi is something I honestly don't understand, like I said I've never put it into practice, but it is a bad ass and believable concept because of the ridiculous things others have demonstrated so I can't go ahead and say it is the concept of concentration, because I can easily enough, concentrate, but not achieve the kind of intensive demonstrations shown with chi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Fairly well. I did find some interesting articles as well. They stem from Wikipedia. [b]The Forces of Li and Neijing[/b] The central difference between your fighting technique and the elemental and advanced level of kung fu does not lie in its form per se, but rather on the nature of the force employed.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nei_Jing#cite_note-1"][size="2"][2][/size][/url][/sup] There are two fundamentally different kinds of forces in traditional Chinese [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_fu"]kung fu[/url]. The external mechanical force is called Li (Traditional Chinese: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8A%9B"]力[/url]) which is commonly observed at an elementary level of kung fu. This is what a typical person would view as strength. In contrast, the internal force is called Neijing (Traditional Chinese:內勁) or Neigong (Traditional Chinese: 內功) , which is the source of power in advanced kung fu. Thus, proficiency in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_arts"]martial arts[/url] is not determined by the level of difficulty or complexity of forms or styles, but instead depends on the nature of the force employed. The degree of Li force one can employ in kung fu depends on several variables such as resilience of muscles, strength of bones, speed and timing of attack and so on. An effective way to enhance the Li force is to exercise one’s muscles and bones by applying increasing pressure on them (weight training, gym exercises, etc.).[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nei_Jing#cite_note-2"][size="2"][3][/size][/url][/sup] The stronger one’s muscles and bones become, the more powerful and skilful the level of kung fu is.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nei_Jing#cite_note-3"][size="2"][4][/size][/url][/sup] On the other hand, the level of the Neijing force depends on the extent one can exercise one’s will power to release an inner energy called [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi"]qi[/url]. Within the framework of Chinese martial arts, every person is believed to possess the inborn energy of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi"]qi[/url]. Martial artists can harness the force of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi"]qi[/url] so that it is strong enough to be applied in combat. When [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi"]qi[/url] is being directed by one’s will, it is called Neijing.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nei_Jing#cite_note-4"][size="2"][5][/size][/url][/sup] The Li force is observable when it is employed. At the point of attack, one must tighten up one’s muscles to unite one’s strength and create an explosive power. In this process, the state of one’s muscles changes from soft and loose to tight and tense. The effectiveness of Li follows the principle of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever"]leverage[/url]. In combat, the point of contact is the point of attack. The combatant who can make better use of this pivot point has a greater chance to defeat his or her opponent.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nei_Jing#cite_note-5"][size="2"][6][/size][/url][/sup] Unlike the Li force, Neijing is invisible and hence unobservable when employed. The pivot point is not necessary in the combat. At the point of attack, one must ‘song’ (loosen)[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nei_Jing#cite_note-6"][size="2"][7][/size][/url][/sup] himself to generate all Neijing energy one possesses and direct this energy stream through one’s contact point with an opponent.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nei_Jing#cite_note-7"][size="2"][8][/size][/url][/sup] The contact point only represents the gateway to conduct Neijing energy at the point of attack.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nei_Jing#cite_note-8"][size="2"][9][/size][/url][/sup] The kung fu component of Li force is limited by one’s physical condition. When a person passes his/her prime age, one’s kung fu ability will pass the optimum level, too. The degree of kung fu will decline when muscles and bones are not as strong as they used to be. On the other hand, the kung fu aspect of Neijing continues to grow as long as one lives. Neijing energy becomes stronger despite the aging process.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nei_Jing#cite_note-9"][size="2"][10][/size][/url][/sup] [b]Scientific investigation[/b] There have been a number of studies of qi, especially in the sense used by traditional Chinese medicine and acupuncture. These studies have often been problematic, and are hard to compare to each other, as they lack a common nomenclature.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi#cite_note-White-29"][size="2"][30][/size][/url][/sup] Some studies claim to have been able to measure qi, or the effects of manipulating qi, such as through acupuncture[sup][size="2"][[i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/url][/i]][/size][/sup], but the proposed existence of qi has been rejected by the scientific community. A [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States"]United States[/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health"]National Institutes of Health[/url] consensus statement on acupuncture in 1997 noted that concepts such as qi "are difficult to reconcile with contemporary biomedical information."[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi#cite_note-NIH-30"][size="2"][31][/size][/url][/sup] In 2007 "Network", a newsletter discussing "topics of interest to cancer patients" and published by the MD Anderson Cancer Center at the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas"]University of Texas[/url], published an article[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi#cite_note-31"][size="2"][32][/size][/url][/sup] covering the concepts by which qi is believed to work and research into possible benefits for cancer patients. A review[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi#cite_note-32"][size="2"][33][/size][/url][/sup] of clinical trials investigating the use of internal [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qigong"]qigong[/url] for [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_management"]pain management[/url] found no convincing evidence that it was effective. My rough specualtion would be that chi is related to the state of mind. It is a factor that affects the efficiency of the body and that is, at most, unrelated to muscle power. From a biology oriented point of view, hormones produced due to such state of mind could affect body efficiency, and be regarded as chi. I will have to do a more extended research than thus far however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garthfunkle Vii Backwards Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 what ive seen on tv was a death move ..... that uses "chi" its called dim mak (dian xue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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