Thunder's Indignance - Anti-Meta Beatdown has a new best friend

[thekazu4u]

(DARK Thunder concept by Yata-Yamata, Thunder's Indignance by Gruuu1234)
Welcome to Black Thunder, the magical land in which Beat Down and Anti-Meta get the same Power Creep as the Special Summoning meta!

[img]http://yugico.com/customcard/25464.jpg[/img]
You can only control 1 "Thunder's Indignance" monster at a time. This card cannot be Special Summoned. This card cannot declare an attack while you control no other Thunder-Type Monsters. When this card is Normal Summoned: Add one "Thunder's Indignance" from your Graveyard or Deck to your Hand. While this card remains face-up on the field or in your Graveyard: You cannot Special Summon.

This little common has plenty of restrictions, but has a HUGE atk for a level 4 and is a royal pain to get rid of! Not only does it make Airknight Parshath shed a tear whenever it is summoned, but it also has the power to provide a splashable monster-engine for any non-Special-Summoning deck that finds itself low. This card has the potential to become the hero of every beatdown player from here to Japan.


[img]http://yugico.com/customcard/88980.jpg[/img]
This card cannot be Special Summoned. If there are Thunder-Type monsters in your Graveyard whose total ATK is equal to 8000 or more, you can Normal Summon this card without Tributing. When a monster is Special Summoned, if this card is on your side of the field or in your Graveyard: Return 1 DARK monster from your Graveyard to your Deck; Negate that Special Summon and destroy that monster.

Mandatory Special Summon negation that can't miss timing. 3000 ATK. Easily summoned. What more could an anti-meta player ask for?

[img]http://yugico.com/customcard/23998.jpg[/img]
Setting this monster does not require a Tribute. When this card is attacked with a monster with ATK that is lower the DEF of this Defense Position monster: Destroy the attacking monster.

Beat down can now come from Defense Position! Who knew! Every knight, Slate Warrior cries himself to sleep.

[thekazu4u]

Derpabump.

[guuu1234]

that first card . . . i created that card . . . same effect, stats, name, and pic . . . where did you get these?

OT: The second monster seems a little iffy to me. i can only imagine how easy it would be to summon the 3K beater then plus off it's effect

EDIT: nvm, i read the effect of the second monster wrong lol it's great. I like how it xan recycle itself and stop a ss. that may be too much for some, but i don't find it a problem

[thekazu4u]

[quote name='guuu1234' timestamp='1343609768' post='5992350']
that first card . . . i created that card . . . same effect, stats, name, and pic . . . where did you get these?

OT: The second monster seems a little iffy to me. i can only imagine how easy it would be to summon the 3K beater then plus off it's effect

EDIT: nvm, i read the effect of the second monster wrong lol it's great. I like how it xan recycle itself and stop a ss. that may be too much for some, but i don't find it a problem
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You created a card with that pic called "indignance" after I told you to create DARK thunder-type monsters with the effect "[color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]When this card is Normal Summoned: Add one "Thunder's Indignance" from your Deck to your Hand." You agreed to let me use it. [/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]We then discussed the card and decided it was OP'd, and I suggested to prevent Normal Summons and suggested you change the name. Afterward, I added in the restriction you can only have 1 on the field at a time. It was sort of a joint effort, if you remember. No, I am not a mind reader xD. (I gave you credit on the Yugico page).[/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]Edit: Ill give you and Yata-Yamata credit on the OP as well. [/background][/size][/font][/color]

[guuu1234]

[quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1343611916' post='5992374']

You created a card with that pic called "indignance" after I told you to create DARK thunder-type monsters with the effect "[color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]When this card is Normal Summoned: Add one "Thunder's Indignance" from your Deck to your Hand." You agreed to let me use it. [/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]We then discussed the card and decided it was OP'd, and I suggested to prevent Normal Summons and suggested you change the name. Afterward, I added in the restriction you can only have 1 on the field at a time. It was sort of a joint effort, if you remember. No, I am not a mind reader xD. (I gave you credit on the Yugico page).[/background][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]Edit: Ill give you and Yata-Yamata credit on the OP as well. [/background][/size][/font][/color]
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oh yeah, man that feels like such a long time ago was your name different then? I left RC and moved to the writing and contest sections, but I'm thinking about coming back (card making skills getting rusty). You've gotten way better at card making

[thekazu4u]

[quote name='guuu1234' timestamp='1343612854' post='5992391']
oh yeah, man that feels like such a long time ago was your name different then? I left RC and moved to the writing and contest sections, but I'm thinking about coming back (card making skills getting rusty). You've gotten way better at card making
[/quote]
Nope, name has been and will continue to be basically the same. Thanks

New card posted.

[seattleite]

Thunder's indignance looks fun. An alternate version of Sabre Tiger. The last effect waters it down though, that it lingers in the graveyard. A 2050 ATK monster (just BARELY over the max) with no-SS-for-you restriction is detrimental enough.

Volltz has a VERY original effect that i haven't seen for a while. Last effect slows down the game (which i like) but being mandatory hurts it (but that's ok, otherwise this would turn into Royal Oppresion). Treeborn Frog would ruin your graveyard, except, can it return itself as a cost?

The Phoenix is one of the few higher level monsters i'd like to set. Nothing wrong with a defensive card.

Overall I like the move away from swarm to a more control-like environment. Nice cards.

[thekazu4u]

[quote name='seattleite' timestamp='1343623652' post='5992539']
Thunder's indignance looks fun. An alternate version of Sabre Tiger. The last effect waters it down though, that it lingers in the graveyard. A 2050 ATK monster (just BARELY over the max) with no-SS-for-you restriction is detrimental enough.

Volltz has a VERY original effect that i haven't seen for a while. Last effect slows down the game (which i like) but being mandatory hurts it (but that's ok, otherwise this would turn into Royal Oppresion). Treeborn Frog would ruin your graveyard, except, can it return itself as a cost?

The Phoenix is one of the few higher level monsters i'd like to set. Nothing wrong with a defensive card.

Overall I like the move away from swarm to a more control-like environment. Nice cards.
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Not trying to be weird or anything, but these are not control cards. These are beatdown, pure and simple (well, I guess it could be argued that Volltz is a control card because it prevents Special Summons, but other than that). I was playtesting Thunder's Indignance, and found it was basically completely OP'd unless it lingered in the Graveyard. Otherwise, you generally could just go on Special Summoning without it. I just think that a 2050 that gives a +1, each time you play it, and loops for infinity, aught to have some MAJOR drawbacks.

I love phoenix. I think that was one of my better ideas

[seattleite]

Hm, i suppose you're right, i didn't consider it loops forever.

Anyways, would make an interesting deck. With all those +1s you might just use 3 Lightning Vortex for the lulz (and to go along with the theme)

[Suibon]

[center]Thunder's Indignance: 'Indignance' is a real English word, but that's the only laudable thing about it. Basically, you have a beefed-up Gadget searching another beefed-up Gadget (a flawed concept -- oh, never mind that little s*** being removed, I have another!). Not to mention it insults perfectly balanced and sweetly designed cards like Airknight Parshath -- and no one shits on Airknight Parshath, not on my watch.[/center]

[center]Volltz, Overlord of Black Thunder: Having Thunder-Types massing around in the Grave for a Tribute-free Normal Summon seems fair, even if its stats are seriously mind-blowing. But having it negate Special Summons for free (or since you evidently think having a DARK in the Grave to spin back to the deck is a cost -- for free PLUS an insult)? Wait, what the f***?[/center]

[center]Lightning Flux Phoenix: Belittling Slate Warrior because it forces you to pick one and not the other, instead of today's fad of having the cake and eating it too -- low, man, low. It is not really that problematic by today's standards, but a trampler with enough DEF to defy most commonly played Exceeds does not inspire confidence from me.[/center]

[thekazu4u]

Phoenix is not a trampler.

Indignance is arguably better made than gadgets because it has an actual use other than th UO Otk. Considering you can't special summon, it's not terribly difficult to blow away 1 2050 atker per turn, whether with a bigger monster or with an effect. Inzektors put the whole deck to shame.

And I like parshath just as much as the next dude, but it's time has run out. If we aren't willing to creep over parshath, the whole game will belong to the likes of wind ups permanantly.

Also, Suibon, my dear, on Pojo you seem intent on banning cards that will have 0 effect on the meta, for whatever reason. How is creeping on Parshath going to hurt it more than banning it?

[Suibon]

[center]I stand corrected on Phoenix. But[/center]

[center]Indignance is better made? I'm sorry, but a well-made card to me is one that can confidently be used without breaking previously established norms for no good reason, not this thing covered in "cannot be Special Summoned" and "cannot summon another Indignance" and "cannot Special Summon" clauses. No, this is trying to cover up for the mistakes of the past, and not too effectively at that: I cannot accept instant +1s just because they restrict you from doing s*** -- that's not good design at all.[/center]

[center]And finally: nothing on Volltz? So you think it's a moral abomination too?[/center]

[center]PS: You ask how creeping Parshath has hurt this game. Well -- if you take out the thought from the play, if you don't make the user sweat for hard-earned advantage, then what is left? Judgment Dragon nuking fields, Shooting Quasar Dragon doing away with Life Points, Tour Guide shitting on the Feedback Warriors and Marauding Captains of this goddamned world.[/center]

[thekazu4u]

You don't approve of plusses when all it does is restrict you as a cost.

Then what do you think of the current meta, with plusses with 0 cost?

As for moral abomination, my morals seem to be a bit different. Removing from gy is a cost, because the grave has turned into the games mana pool.

As for sweating for advantage: this is true, but every deck needs their own way of getting non battle plusses, so long as they are controlled. Just like monarchs get a plus on summon if summoned by tributing treeborn, dark thunder can by summoning this.

The game isn't going to become as beautifuly balanced as it was right after the banning of the trinity. We, at this point, just have to deal with the fact that decks get 1 free plus per turn (draw) and another free plus if they have a plus generator engine going. As long as plusses are controlled and equal, we can hope to stop the derp.