Heroic Champion - Aegis (SINGLE)

[Northern Sage]

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[quote]2 Level 4 "Heroic" monsters
Once per turn: You can target 1 "Heroic" monster in your Graveyard; Equip it to this card, then increase this card's ATK by half of the ATK of the equipped monster. Only 1 monster can be equipped to this card at a time. This card gains the effects of the monster equipped to it.[/quote]
Image credits to Jazinkay.
You know what to do, YCM.

[Aerion Brightflame]

The moment where someone uses this effect to equip Excalabur.

Well, its not OP. I think the most abusive thing that could happen would be equip War Hammer to it and become 3900 ATK, unless I'm midunderstanding the effect. Fortunately you didn't add as part of this effect or anything like that to it, so it can't then equip stuff as part of War hammers effect.

But, outside of Warhammer... its underwhelming. it gains no real benifits from any of the normal heroics except maybe Spartas and the Night thingy. But, Spartas's effect isn't the best unless you have 2 of it out and laugh. And only 2 of the Heroic Champions work with it. Admitedly both of them are quite good to get with it.

For changes... maybe it gains a bit of attack whilst its equiped. So 500 ATK maybe? That way equiping it with the Challengers isn't pointless for the most part, and it gains a wider range of uses. Particulalry given its a specific Xyz. Since at the moment, I doubt it would ever get used. I understand its probably played in defence and reuses the other champions effects to make life hard for your opponent, but I think it just needs a little something to make it better. Just a tad better.

[-Griffin]

I can see no target I'd generally want to equip to this. If I wanted one of the Xyz, I could generally just summon them. They've less restrictive conditions apart from the 3-material one, which is still more generic and has far better ATK. The 2 non-Xyz cards you might want to target (Spartan and the anti-defense one) aren't horribly lower on ATK, and their effects really aren't worth the effort of Summoning this for.[s] As for War Hammer: probably easier to Summon, more ATK, don't know if he would even be used since he's a clog-risk for a mediocre reward.[/s] The fact it can't equip extra things means it can't even make use of War Hammer =/

Unless you've also designed a good target for this, I really don't see it getting used at all. Extra Deck space is too valuable for the very few situations this guy might be a decent choice.

[quote name='Barthandelus Alpha' timestamp='1345990419' post='6013206']
The moment where someone uses this effect to equip Excalabur.

Well, its not OP. I think the most abusive thing that could happen would be equip War Hammer to it and become 3900 ATK, unless I'm midunderstanding the effect. Fortunately you didn't add as part of this effect or anything like that to it, so it can't then equip stuff as part of War hammers effect.

But, outside of Warhammer... its underwhelming. it gains no real benifits from any of the normal heroics except maybe Spartas and the Night thingy. But, Spartas's effect isn't the best unless you have 2 of it out and laugh. And only 2 of the Heroic Champions work with it. Admitedly both of them are quite good to get with it.

For changes... maybe it gains a bit of attack whilst its equiped. So 500 ATK maybe? That way equiping it with the Challengers isn't pointless for the most part, and it gains a wider range of uses. Particulalry given its a specific Xyz. Since at the moment, I doubt it would ever get used. I understand its probably played in defence and reuses the other champions effects to make life hard for your opponent, but I think it just needs a little something to make it better. Just a tad better.
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1: If you equip Excalabur, you don't have enough materials to use its effect. Unless you were trying to say that.
2: It doesn't gain ATK. wtf 3900?
3: [s]It gains the effect, it could equip as per War Hammer.[/s] Nvm, its own effect prevents that with the '1 equip' thing. Taking away one of its few uses, yay.
4: I wouldn't call Sparta 'quite good with it' - you're spending 2 monsters to basically get a Sparta with 200 extra ATK. The Night guy with 600 extra ATK isn't much better. Would you really go out of your way to be worse than Axe of Dispair? No-one uses that card because it's bad.
5: If you're using it to re-use the other champion's effect from Def position, you're using a lot of extra set-up to increase your beefy-ness by... 300, 200, or reduce it by 200. I wouldn't call that 'making life hard for your opponent'.

[Northern Sage]

So, if I made the equip effect costless, it would just require you to have other Heroics in the graveyard. Which it already does as per the Zombie Master ruling. Adding the 500 bonus and equipping Excalibur, this now has the potential to become a 4100 beater. Good/bad idea?

[-Griffin]

[quote name='Thor the Just' timestamp='1345991399' post='6013219']
So, if I made the equip effect costless, it would just require you to have other Heroics in the graveyard. Which it already does as per the Zombie Master ruling. Adding the 500 bonus and equipping Excalibur, this now has the potential to become a 4100 beater. Good/bad idea?
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So, for a more specific condition and extra set-up, I can get a 4100 ATK beater instead of a 4000 ATK beater.

yay?

[Aerion Brightflame]

It makes it better, but not brilliant.

However, it does stay stronger than excalabut after the effect fades, which gives it a bit of a leg up.

Maybe kind of like an inzector cluase, where it gains half the attack of the monster its equiped with? So taking the challangers doesn't become worthless.

[Northern Sage]

Revision is up. Wording was a bit of a hassle.

[Aerion Brightflame]

[quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1345990595' post='6013209']
1: If you equip Excalabur, you don't have enough materials to use its effect. Unless you were trying to say that.
2: It doesn't gain ATK. wtf 3900?
3: [s]It gains the effect, it could equip as per War Hammer.[/s] Nvm, its own effect prevents that with the '1 equip' thing. Taking away one of its few uses, yay.
4: I wouldn't call Sparta 'quite good with it' - you're spending 2 monsters to basically get a Sparta with 200 extra ATK. The Night guy with 600 extra ATK isn't much better. Would you really go out of your way to be worse than Axe of Dispair? No-one uses that card because it's bad.
5: If you're using it to re-use the other champion's effect from Def position, you're using a lot of extra set-up to increase your beefy-ness by... 300, 200, or reduce it by 200. I wouldn't call that 'making life hard for your opponent'.
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1: Yes thats what i meant. Someone who was stupid enough to do that.
2: I thought Warhammers own effect would apply boosting this by Warhammers ATK. Now I realize that wouldn't happen.
4: Quiet Good is a relative term, seeing as Spartas is its only real use as it used to be.
5: I meant by using the effect another time. When the other two hit the grave they are dead, this gives you another use of it. But as you have pointed out, there were better things to make with it.

OT: Now its a lot better, since its is now a utility piece for Heroics. Possibly won't get much use, but it can make some stuff a lot more effective. Particulalry Gandiva, who lets heroics manage rabbit, or other rank 4 or lower spam decks, and now it would be capable of surviving a turn of battle.

[-Griffin]

Ok, the level 4 & lowers still have rubbish effects, so let's generally ignore those.

You'd equip:
Excalibur (2800 -> 4600 beatstick). OTKs are pretty bad for the game, so that's no good. It could also be used to take down an enemies boss monster, which would be cool, but you could just overlay into Excalibur anyway. Not many monsters have between 4000 and 4600 ATK, and this one would also be vulnerable to MST/ect. Not a good target.
Gandiva (2850). Gandiva is a badly designed card anyway, IMO, so equipping it wouldn't do anything for a fun game. It could be viable, though, so a good target from a player's perspective, a mediocre one from a designer's perspective (saved because you could remove the effect with either s/t removal OR monster removal.)
Kuzanagi (3050). This is probably the only reason you'd actually run Aegis. It's the only one where this could possibly be easier to Summon and the ATK is a nice number right above many boss monsters. Negating traps is fine from a game-design standpoint. The problem here is that it requires so much setup to achieve this being useful that most of the time, I imagine you'd not use the Extra Deck space.

It's... just about playable, but with good generic options available, I don't see it getting much actually use. Maybe thrown in the occasional Extra 'because I can't Summon anything else that isn't in it already.'