[Duo] Lilim and Lilith

[CommanderVolt]

[img]http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa4/Dialkia_2007/Lilim1.png[/img]

LIGHT/Spellcaster Level 1 Effect 0ATK/0DEF

Card Lore:
[font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]"During your Main Phase, if you control exactly 2 Level 1 monsters, you can Special Summon this card from your hand or Graveyard. This effect can only be used once per duel."[/background][/font]

[img]http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa4/Dialkia_2007/Lilith1.png[/img]

DARK/Spellcaster rank 1 Effect 0/ATK/0DEF

Card Lore:

3 Level 1 Monsters
"If this card is Xyz Summoned using "Lilim the Dreamer" as any of its Xyz Materials this card gains the following effect: "Your opponent cannot select other monsters you control as an attack target." [b]This card cannot be destroyed by battle.[/b] Once per turn, when you take battle damage from a battle involving this card you can detatch 1 Xyz Material. Increase the ATK of this card by the amount of damage taken and inflict that same amount as damage to your opponent."

Haven't made that many cards latley so im sure my ocg is pretty off. Additionally, i forgot to add a key-effect to Lilith and it has been added-in to the effect in bold text. I would have grabbed and edited the card it self, but i am no longer home and thus currently not able to do so.

Comments, thoughts, fixes? All appreciated. (And yes, im using a fairly old card generator, hence why it says "Exceed' instead of Xyz.")

[wightpower]

I am so far behind these days, I barely understand Xyz monsters at all, so I'll try and do my best: First of all, no problems with the pictures. One can never have enough ladies. Your choices were god, too. Lilim's image gives the impression of a rookie mage not sure of herself given she has no ATK or DEF, while Lilith's image gives the impression of a monster that's not inherently strong, but has secret powers reactive to the enemy that make her look more threatening.

As for the OCG, I'm not going to say anything about Lilith, because I don't know the specifics of Xyz monsters. Someone else will have to correct you if anything's wrong. Otherwise, I think you could rewrite[b] Lilim's effect[/b] like this: "During your Main Phase, if you control exactly 2 Level 1 monsters, you can Special Summon this card from your hand or Graveyard. This effect can only be used once per duel."

It might unbalance the card, but are you sure you didn't want it to be "once per turn" instead of "once per duel"? Despite giving the controller more monsters to use for tribute, I feel like a 0 ATK/DEF monster isn't much of a threat if you let the player Special Summon more than once per duel, especially with the card's specific rule to Special Summon it. I don't think it'll be too broken if you change it to "once per turn". On the other hand, I don't know if that would make Lilith a broken card because it's an Xyz monster, so I might be wrong.

Anyway, I like this idea. I see no real problems with it.

[CommanderVolt]

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I am so far behind these days, I barely understand Xyz monsters at all, so I'll try and do my best: First of all, no problems with the pictures. One can never have enough ladies. Your choices were god, too. Lilim's image gives the impression of a rookie mage not sure of herself given she has no ATK or DEF, while Lilith's image gives the impression of a monster that's not inherently strong, but has secret powers reactive to the enemy that make her look more threatening.

As for the OCG, I'm not going to say anything about Lilith, because I don't know the specifics of Xyz monsters. Someone else will have to correct you if anything's wrong. Otherwise, I think you could rewrite[b] Lilim's effect[/b] like this: "During your Main Phase, if you control exactly 2 Level 1 monsters, you can Special Summon this card from your hand or Graveyard. This effect can only be used once per duel."

It might unbalance the card, but are you sure you didn't want it to be "once per turn" instead of "once per duel"? Despite giving the controller more monsters to use for tribute, I feel like a 0 ATK/DEF monster isn't much of a threat if you let the player Special Summon more than once per duel, especially with the card's specific rule to Special Summon it. I don't think it'll be too broken if you change it to "once per turn". On the other hand, I don't know if that would make Lilith a broken card because it's an Xyz monster, so I might be wrong.

Anyway, I like this idea. I see no real problems with it.
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I've been debating whether or not Lilim should be "Once per turn" or "Once per duel." It's mostly given that you play her to get that third material (Without spending card advantage when shes in your graveyard) to make that Rank 1 Xyz Monster (All currently released Rank 1s require 3 Level 1 monsters) and whilst tribute-monsters are less common in today's metagame, possible plays involving the (legal) god-cards could become easier. Since it has the potential to combo-with cards like Treeborn frog and Kinka-Byo, essentially allowing you to make rank 1 Xyz monsters every-turn or fuel tributes to special summon cards like Arcana Force bosses or Destiny-Hero Plasma. Of course, the aforementioned combo would work with any level 1 monster really, so as it is it may stand fairly powerful with a bit of set-up.

I greatly appreciate the comment. You opend my eyes to some of the possible plays i didn't quite comprehend when i was making the duo. I may have to tinker with Lilim's restriction to keep her being used for Xyz Summons should i find that its quite powerful as is. Perhaps not enough to make meta though.

and no worries about not being to help with the OCG on Lilith, im not entirely sure on the OCG for Xyz Monsters either.

[Yubel Mastery]

I have a feeling that Lilith would probably be a number if it were a real card. Also it should be independent of Lilim in which the use of Lilim would only make the special summon of Lilith easier. In my opinion the cards should have been rewrote like this:

Lilim:
Once per turn, during your Main Phase, if you control exactly 2 level 1 monsters, you can special summon this monster from the hand or graveyard. This card cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster.

Lilith:
3 Level 1 monsters
This card cannot be destroyed by battle. Your opponent cannot select another monster you control as an attack target. When you take battle damage involving this card, detach 1 Xyz Material; increase the ATK of this card by the amount of battle damage taken and inflict damage equal to the battle damage taken to your opponent. When this card is targeted for an attack, while it has no Xyz Materials: Destroy this card.