China and Japan's possible war

[Tentacruel]

I honestly think that in the case with the two atomic bombs, U.S. was far more evil than Japan.

 

Japan was just a lab rat for an experiment on how much the bombs'd wreck and kill. The way you say it like we deserved them - no f***ing no, stop it.

 

In America, saying pretty much anything that makes America look good is tolerated, no matter how f***ed up it is. The A-Bombs were completely retarded. People need to get their heads out of their own asses.

[Agro]

Fun fact: China is currently the top exporter of rubber to the US. Which we use in everything! Including military vehicles.

 

Not really sure how this works in, but I thought someone more knowledgable about this subject would understand the facts better.

 

Though I would point out that we don't really have anything that does what rubber does, or at least as well as rubber. This includes making sure wheels will stop a moving vehicle (car/bike/plane), and keeping your phone functioning. Yeah, it's in about everything.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Fun fact: China is currently the top exporter of rubber to the US. Which we use in everything! Including military vehicles.

Not really sure how this works in, but I thought someone more knowledgable about this subject would understand the facts better.

Though I would point out that we don't really have anything that does what rubber does, or at least as well as rubber. This includes making sure wheels will stop a moving vehicle (car/bike/plane), and keeping your phone functioning. Yeah, it's in about everything.

I wasn't really sure about rubber, but it is true that the world economy is dependant on China's trading. No country can live on its own, even the major ones, so...yeah, I guess there's no reason for them to fight each other.

[Agro]

China's economy is extremely dependent on ours, and we are of them.

 

That's why they're not going to do anything. Not if they don't want to watch the world burn.

[Garthfunkle Vii Backwards]

In America, saying pretty much anything that makes America look good is tolerated, no matter how f***ed up it is. The A-Bombs were completely retarded. People need to get their heads out of their own asses.

if america did not drop the a-bomb japan would never stop

the axis forces would've won then 50-75% of the enitre world pop. would been killed off then anthor 10% or so becuase germany would totally back-stab japan afterwards lol really really unperdictable move germany

[DARKPLANT RISING]

if america did not drop the a-bomb japan would never stop

the axis forces would've won then 50-75% of the enitre world pop. would been killed off then anthor 10% or so becuase germany would totally back-stab japan afterwards lol really really unperdictable move germany

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........Are you f***ing serious? Okay, seriously, your stupidity is honestly becoming a bannable offense.

 

You HAVEN'T learnt history. When the bombs fell, Japan already had no forces left. They were already about to surrender when the U.S. used Hiroshima and Nagasaki as an experiment, slaughered thousands, and just derped at the wasteland they created.

 

And no, the axis forces would have never won because Germany and Italy had already surrendered months before the A-bombs were dropped. The only axis force left was Japan, which had approx. 1.5% the military force of the U.S. alone. Good job winning with that.

 

Not to mention, your theory that Hitler would have backstabbed Japan is complete nonsense as it involves no logic behind it, nor a valid reason for it to happen.

 

In other words, your posts and arguments are just as s*** as yourself. If you don't know anything, don't post.

[Mugendramon]

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........Are you f***ing serious? Okay, seriously, your stupidity is honestly becoming a bannable offense.

 

You HAVEN'T learnt history. When the bombs fell, Japan already had no forces left. They were already about to surrender when the U.S. used Hiroshima and Nagasaki as an experiment, slaughered thousands, and just derped at the wasteland they created.

 

And no, the axis forces would have never won because Germany and Italy had already surrendered months before the A-bombs were dropped. The only axis force left was Japan, which had approx. 1.5% the military force of the U.S. alone. Good job winning with that.

 

Not to mention, your theory that Hitler would have backstabbed Japan is complete nonsense as it involves no logic behind it, nor a valid reason for it to happen.

 

In other words, your posts and arguments are just as s*** as yourself. If you don't know anything, don't post.

 

Leaving Herman aside...

 

You know, perspective influences History too. Versions taught of the same story won't sound the same depending on where are they being told.

 

I have no means of backing it up, knowing nobody even remotely related to the war, but my father, who is a somehow respectable navy officer, and has extensive knowledge on the War, assured me that even though they were lacking military forces, they were beginning to simply send untrained personnel. Say, the suicide pilots? They really were only taught how to take off, and ordered to crash into ships. This, he says, was simply because they didn't have pilots to properly operate their aircrafts, nor the time to train more of them.

 

What I figured when he told me that was that Japan's war effort wasn't diminishing, it was growing more precarious and was beginning to get its hands over the population itself.

 

I might be wrong, and I hope I am, but think about it; why would they put in their own history books that they intended to fight until there were none left, when you can victimize your government by blaming the bombs?

 

That aside the bombs were a catastrophe and the resulting 40-years war was a nice reminder that it was a stupid idea.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

I might be wrong, and I hope I am, but think about it; why would they put in their own history books that they intended to fight until there were none left, when you can victimize your government by blaming the bombs?

 

Actually, believe it or not, the stupid Japanese textbook says everything was Japan's fault and the A-bombs were well deserved. This has been the topic of major debates for a very long time, and recently, the side saying the textbook is utter crap is starting to win. Which, for some reason, South Korea and China are being mad at.

 

Also, the very top of the military was becoming dubious on whether the kamikaze had any effect, and even they were starting to consider accepting the Potsdam Declaration. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

[Mugendramon]

Actually, believe it or not, the stupid Japanese textbook says everything was Japan's fault and the A-bombs were well deserved. This has been the topic of major debates for a very long time, and recently, the side saying the textbook is utter crap is starting to win. Which, for some reason, South Korea and China are being mad at.

 

Also, the very top of the military was becoming dubious on whether the kamikaze had any effect, and even they were starting to consider accepting the Potsdam Declaration. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

 

I also heard from him that there was some major screwup involving aircraft carriers that was caused by some Japanese admiral's bad decission?

[DARKPLANT RISING]

I also heard from him that there was some major screwup involving aircraft carriers that was caused by some Japanese admiral's bad decission?

I might or might not know about that one. Can ya be a bit specific?

[Mugendramon]

I might or might not know about that one. Can ya be a bit specific?

 

I don't know much about it myself; all I heard was that a few U.S. carriers were approaching and this admiral didn't know about it; but he was in a perfect position to butcher them with his own carriers if they had stayed. They outnumbered them, too.

 

But for some reason I can't quite remember he didn't, and so the U.S. forces approached with no complication.

[Tentacruel]

if america did not drop the a-bomb japan would never stop

the axis forces would've won then 50-75% of the enitre world pop. would been killed off then anthor 10% or so becuase germany would totally back-stab japan afterwards lol really really unperdictable move germany

 

Exhibit A.

 

Killing civilians wasn't worth it. You could say they would have never stopped, but they would have never beat the Allied forces.

[Bull3tM0nk3y]

Japan is a "but I'm so innocent" country? Pretty sure they were one of the main forces behind World War 2.

 

My god, you don't know anything, do you?

 

Yes, they were a main force of the Axis, and yes they attacked us in WWII, but...

 

After WWII, Japan, was forced to not have an army. A defense force yes, but not a fully fledged army.

 

 

 

China is being a bully. They love taking over land. Remember those countries during the 2008 Beijing that China took over?

 

It's needed to protect people in times of needing of help.

 

We've had open relations, peace, and helped them so much, and in return, they've helped us. For 60 years. And years before WWIII.

 

Have you read the articles I've posted about this? The US is going to use missiles to defend Japan. It's the right to defend people who are being bullied.

 

 

 

Now, you may be thinking, "Why can't they just share the islands?". Boy, that would be nice. BUT CHINA CAN'T. They are power hungry, land hungry, selfish country.

 

Japan has had Senkaku since 1845. Japan and the United States have since 1971. Guess what? China says they own it. Guess who doesn't?

[Guest .Rai]

Does anyone know what's actually happening in this topic? WWII hardly matters at all in this case.

 

I feel like it's quite obvious that basically: everyone wants oil and resources (China more so than Japan, but, yes, both of them).

 

It really just depends on how much common sense both countries have to not fight over the islands and find a mutual agreement. Even China isn't power-hungry enough to completely alienate their ties with other countries over these resources.

[Mugendramon]

Does anyone know what's actually happening in this topic? WWII hardly matters at all in this case.

 

Oh, that was referring to some comment about the bombs being necessary to end the war, as a way of measuring Japan's tenacity.

 

Obviously doesn't help the case or prove anything at all, but I wanted to put my view forward.

[Guest .Rai]

Oh, that was referring to some comment about the bombs being necessary to end the war, as a way of measuring Japan's tenacity.

Obviously doesn't help the case or prove anything at all, but I wanted to put my view forward.

 

Oh yeah, Herman being an idiot as usual. That makes sense.

[Agro]

In the US, we weren't taught that Japan deserved the bomb.

 

From what I was taught, the US just didn't want to send forces into Japan, they didn't want to fight through urban environments. At the time, they believed that there could be more casualities. So they dropped the first bomb.

 

The second one wasn't really a test, the only reason they dropped it was because there was no surrender after the first one.

 

At least, that's how we were taught it. :<

 

But yeah, if you're textbook says that Japan deserved it, then that's bullshit, because no one deserves, no action deserves a reply in the form of an atom bomb.

[Mehmani]

Just so you all know, Darkplant, although an intelligent and witty person, denies the Rape of Nanking happened, which makes me take his posts with a pinch of salt. Denial of the Rape of Nanking shows that you are likely to be a nationalist.

[Garthfunkle Vii Backwards]

everyone i was going by a text book which was most likely 10 years out of date to begin with thanks american public school what would i do with you live a life of shame (doesn't it being out of date more accurate since it was published closer to the time frame of what was written in it lol ?)

the way it was spun america say stop

japan kept using kamikaze tactics which at the time they had no clue how to handle it still do clue really

bomb was drop

[Mugendramon]

but english was never learn

[Guest .Rai]

Friends, Romans, countrymen, one was referring towards a text book which was most likely 10 years out of date to begin with. One would like to thank American public school - for indeed, what would one do with you? Live a life of shame? (One would chuckle at the fact that my source was so dated that it was written in nearer proximity to the event in question!)

 

For the way it was phrased would imply America had said to stop. Japan had continued to use kamikaze tactics - which at the time, they had no knowledge on how to employ it and still, to this day, don't.

 

For those who are more accustomed to English. Besides, the answer to this is:

 

But yeah, if you're textbook says that Japan deserved it, then that's bullshit, because no one deserves, no action deserves a reply in the form of an atom bomb.

[Guest ~10~]

everyone i was going by a text book which was most likely 10 years out of date to begin with thanks american public school what would i do with you live a life of shame (doesn't it being out of date more accurate since it was published closer to the time frame of what was written in it lol ?)

the way it was spun america say stop

japan kept using kamikaze tactics which at the time they had no clue how to handle it still do clue really

bomb was drop

Herman, Please learn English.

[Tentacruel]

Just so you all know, Darkplant, although an intelligent and witty person, denies the Rape of Nanking happened, which makes me take his posts with a pinch of salt. Denial of the Rape of Nanking shows that you are likely to be a nationalist.

 

Holy sh**. I had completely forgotten about that.

 

Funny how Americans never bring that up, but instead use Pearl Harbor as justification for the atomic bomb.

 

 

In the US, we weren't taught that Japan deserved the bomb.

From what I was taught, the US just didn't want to send forces into Japan, they didn't want to fight through urban environments. At the time, they believed that there could be more casualities. So they dropped the first bomb.

The second one wasn't really a test, the only reason they dropped it was because there was no surrender after the first one.

At least, that's how we were taught it. :<

 

But yeah, if you're textbook says that Japan deserved it, then that's bullshit, because no one deserves, no action deserves a reply in the form of an atom bomb.

 

But plenty of Americans are convinced that the bombs were 100% justified, regardless of what the books say.

[Agro]

But plenty of Americans are convinced that the bombs were 100% justified, regardless of what the books say.

Because of the common conception that the war would have lasted much longer, with many more civilian casualties because the leaders of Japan at the time weren't going to surrender.

 

Similar fighting on islands leading up to Japan had similar results.

[Guest iKira]

I don't know if this was already posted but I was taught that the reason Truman dropped the bomb was because no formal surrender was declared and the Soviets agreed with the United States (I forget which meeting this was but it more so about VE Day, Wikipedia says the Yalta Conference) that at 2-3 months(again, I was personally taught 90 days, but what Stalin may have said can be argued) after VE Day (Victory in Europe), the Soviets would invade Japan. Since Truman most likely didn't want to deal with Soviets making claims to large parts of Japan like they did in Germany, and since it would take too long to begin a full campaign of Japan against a military that was no stranger to last stands, he dropped the bombs to further hasten the surrender. You should notice that the days the bombs were dropped coincide with the timing of the Soviet entry into the conflict against Japan. The dropping of the bombs may, in essence, have actually saved more lives than a race between the US and the USSR over who can get the most of Japan first.