Custom Cards Moderator Application Thread

[.Leo]

Agro makes a fine point.

 

Oh! Idea! At the end of each month, members who have not received a SINGLE warn could receive...maybe 2,000 points? Of course the amount could be changed.

 

Interesting idea. I do agree that incentives would be a good idea to get people following the rules. Points would be good I think, maybe something else but my mind is running a blank at the moment.

[Shinobi Phoenix]

Adding another two-cents to my now 4 Cent Pot:

 

I think something should be made clear since people seem to be getting a little over excited about their "magic cure" solutions.

 

I think adding monetary incentives for "good behavior" is a tricky and rocky road to walk on. In most cases, people are self-serving and take actions which will net them the best personal growth or reward (which itself is a thin line definition of what is the "reward"). In other words, people might act better or work harder if there is a reward, but they damn sure will not be growing into better people because of it. They do it for the reward, not because everyone genuinely wants to do it.

 

 

Some criminals want parole to get out and fix the mistakes that got them in trouble or protect loved ones they left behind...

 

...others just want to get out of prison.

 

Both commit to the same actions and show the same behavior in order to get said parole.

 

"Some people do good actions get rewarded for it. Some people want rewards and do good actions to get them. In the end, what was the difference?"

 

We already reward now for people reporting Advance Clause violations and I assume that extends to other incidents of violation reporting as well. So I can assume that reporting has increased, but what was the difference before? Did people suddenly become more righteous? I doubt that. What will happen is people will be more EXPECTANT, they will commit to an action and if you don't give that reward, you'll see how good people really are.

 

 

I am NOT speaking against rewarding people, only that we shouldn't be pretend it's making us any better people if things improve after such things are enacted. If the purpose of the plan is to make the place more active and improve the quality and standards of the forum, that's fine and it will happen; just don't expect it's all candy and roses if you do. If we gave points for being crappy to each other, that would increase activity too. It will definitely get results, but let's not rose-tint our eyes to WHY. It's something we do to children because children are selfish (even more than adults) and we "agreed" a long time ago that it was the best way to handle children until they grow up and away from that age and mindset, however, we are supposed to be (or growing into being) adults and adults don't commit to good actions just for the reward less we're just children who got older and nothing more (of course, the way America is now, it seems that way).

 

Rewarding people only helps lawfulness and people adhering to laws and rules, it doesn't change people. We'll have to do something else along with it to achieve that "Making Better Members and Increasing Quality" thing.

 

 

 

Just adding a sprinkle of reality to the subject matter. Whoever gets the new mod position should be aware of all consequences and rewards of the plans of action they commit to because not a single one is perfect or will be implemented perfectly and even if it is successful, their work is far from over.

[Agro]

Rewarding people only helps lawfulness and people adhering to laws and rules, it doesn't change people.

That's the goal though. And this is nothing like parole. They're not in jail trying to get out, and they're certainly not going to be able to do something stupid and get away with it.

 

The goal is to improve the section by improving the actions of its members. Therefore all we need do is improve the actions of the members. If they're inherently bad, they'll break the rules and get warned/banned, which, may I point out, is something we don't offer parole for, or will make everyone on the forum hate their guts.

 

But, as I said, all we're trying to do is increase activity and have people follow the rules. Providing a stipend for following the rules (the rules effectively making people post constructive comments only) would do that. It doesn't matter if they wouldn't do it without the stipend because the stipend wouldn't go away.

[Shinobi Phoenix]

That's the goal though. And this is nothing like parole.

 

 

To say that says the parable with over your head. It's about the inherent nature of people. All people, good or bad, will follow through on an action to receive the reward at the end. The difference is why and what they will do with said reward after.

 

Again, if you just want people to follow the rules and call that victory, sure, put in rewards for acting like you care about the rules and they will seemingly follow you. If you want to change people and make this place more of an actual community that cares to help each other and not for some reward or care for one or at least one that can actually have respectful mature intelligent debates and conversations, well, I think there's a little bit more work to be done then just "throwing money at it".

 

I have to honestly say since we're on that topic, this forum seems at many points ready to turn on itself at any moment. Always complaining and arguing and complaining about a rule or moderator they have some personal gripe with or something "Almighty Lord" YCMaker hasn't done, I've seen people attempt to bribe one another for simple feedback, I've seen whole sections go completely ignored and people tear at each other over the most pointless differences of opinions and I've seen so much despair and absolute apathy toward one another, it's absolutely ridiculous for a community to be that way.

 

I say again, maybe I think differently because my age starts in a 3 and hasn't been single digits for a long time and all of my actual friends that play are in the same boat, but it seems to me that most of these discussions about rules and mods and problems that need "fixing" are really just attempts to get each other to even TALK to one another, like a community that cares about and supports each other really would or you wouldn't need to force people to do it or bribe each other and you wouldn't have (or need to care about) people who just come in and say a few pointless words to boost their own post counts (again, self-serving) or make a thread and just expect people to keep it going for you with "wonderful sparkles of praises and inspiration".

 

 

Help people want to respect one another and help each other and they'll want to listen to advice, give advice, build up each other and not for some reward. Nah... I'm just an old man ranting on and maybe a little mad that his very close community simply got too old and busy to care much about YGO anymore and faded away slowly and sort of would like all that magic happen again for someone. Also, because ZeXal sucks and killed my game.

[Dwarven King]

Shinobi, there isn't a way to ACTUALLY change people's mindset and "improve" the community. Which is why we are settling with simply getting people more active and obeying the rules. You make good points, but you're looking to deep into things.

[Bull3tM0nk3y]

Name: Mønkey

Estimated Activity in CC (in months): 1 month

Plan of action/Policies for CC: For new people to know the difference between any other cards, pop culture, written, and realistic.

Why do you think you should moderate CC?: Because I have no real enemies, and I enjoy people.

[Guest Caeda]

We can't make the community better with giving them a reason to improve. That either comes in the form of punishment, which could easily wind up as a dictatorship, or rewards, which have trouble being balanced to where they matter, but are not too much.

 

It's really tricky at this point, and honestly, I don't think points are that much worth the incentive, but what else do we have to offer?

[Guest みゆきサン]

We can't make the community better with giving them a reason to improve. That either comes in the form of punishment, which could easily wind up as a dictatorship, or rewards, which have trouble being balanced to where they matter, but are not too much.

 

It's really tricky at this point, and honestly, I don't think points are that much worth the incentive, but what else do we have to offer?

 

Reps? it's probably a bad idea and could lead to wars among the community, saying "HEY WHY DID U GETS A REP AND I DIDN'T WAAAAAAHHH CRY SOME MORE", but it's still an option.

 

Unless it was already covered within the last few pages.

[Guest - Neo -]

We can't make the community better with giving them a reason to improve. That either comes in the form of punishment, which could easily wind up as a dictatorship, or rewards, which have trouble being balanced to where they matter, but are not too much.

 

It's really tricky at this point, and honestly, I don't think points are that much worth the incentive, but what else do we have to offer?

 

You're fantastic. <3

 

Anyway, I think the theory behind using points is a decent incentive, but considering they can't be used as much more than shop fodder and things like that, what about some kind of system that gives out actual prizes, like Name Changes, Topic Titles, Scratch-Offs, even. That incorporates points without actually having to do anything directly with points.

[Agro]

The only way to make points matter is to make more uses for them. Or we could make them harder to get through simply posting, but I like option A better.

 

Also, WC really needs some sort of way to make people post something constructive, I'm getting a little tired of FinalFan's simple "You missed a spelling" or "Can I put this on the wikia?" posts.

[Dwarven King]

We do need better things to use the points for, that's for sure. Neo's prizes seem like a good idea.

[Agro]

I'm not sure about the scratch offs, since they rarely amount to anything.

 

If the topic color change would be fixed so that it stopped reverting at every single edit, then that would certainly be a good prize.

[Dwarven King]

It reverts? Damn. Glad I haven't bought that yet then.

[Guest Caeda]

You're fantastic. <3

 

Anyway, I think the theory behind using points is a decent incentive, but considering they can't be used as much more than shop fodder and things like that, what about some kind of system that gives out actual prizes, like Name Changes, Topic Titles, Scratch-Offs, even. That incorporates points without actually having to do anything directly with points.

 

^^''

 

I like this idea. Even if we gave out points, it would still take a while to reach the prices for some of these things, and if we can add more items to the shop over time, then all the better.

 

All we need is an actually draft system for it.

 

 

Reps? it's probably a bad idea and could lead to wars among the community, saying "HEY WHY DID U GETS A REP AND I DIDN'T WAAAAAAHHH CRY SOME MORE", but it's still an option.

 

Unless it was already covered within the last few pages.

 

Yeah, I really wouldn't use Reps as a reward. Not because of flame wars, but because they're even more useless then points are right now. x-x

 

The only way to make points matter is to make more uses for them. Or we could make them harder to get through simply posting, but I like option A better.

 

Also, WC really needs some sort of way to make people post something constructive, I'm getting a little tired of FinalFan's simple "You missed a spelling" or "Can I put this on the wikia?" posts.

 

Exactly. We need more uses for points outside of the shop items, even if it's JUST for RC.

 

I hate to say it, but maybe the Advanced Clause should extend to Written Cards just to try and purge it of those kinds of posts for a little while.

 

Since WC is usually a bit more intelligent then RC, they wouldn't really have a problem following it most of the time, and it will force FinalFan and those like to improve their posting or leave. It doesn't have to be permanent, but it did help with RC a bit.

 

I'm not sure about the scratch offs, since they rarely amount to anything.

 

If the topic color change would be fixed so that it stopped reverting at every single edit, then that would certainly be a good prize.

 

Well, they would be "free" in this case, so even if you don't win, at least you don't really lose anything.

 

...Seriously, they do that?

[Guest - Neo -]

@Agro, while I see where you're coming from, I'd rather have a free scratch off and have the chance to win something than have 300 points that just sit there, and I can't do anything with.

 

It's difficult to think of a viable use for points. Ironically, if it was a site like Pojo which is a bit more focused towards the TCG IRL, I would suggest something like a "Points Reedemable Shop", where you could trade in rather large amounts of points for actual TCG cards, something that would be incredibly easy to pull off but most people don't play IRL so it wouldn't make too much of a difference.

[Agro]

...Seriously, they do that?

Yup. If you change the topic color and edit the OP, the topic color gets removed. Still an issue.

[Mehmani]

I think more shop items could make points more valuable without handing too much power to the moderators. As long as points don't correlate to status, we're ethically okay.

[Guest - Neo -]

I think more shop items could make points more valuable without handing too much power to the moderators. As long as points don't correlate to status, we're ethically okay.

 

I could agree with this as well. That being said, is there really anyone on the site that would actually consider themselves of a higher status just because of the amount of points they have? One of the stupidest things I've ever heard. (Not you, just the idea that someone would actually care that much about points.)

 

Definitely more Shop Items though, I'm an advocate for that 100%. Something to give people incentive. If you give people a little, they'll become interested. That's one of the things I've learned going to school for Business. While it's theoretically different, it still applies here.

 

That being said, when do you plan on posting the updated Application Thread?

[Guest Caeda]

I could agree with this as well. That being said, is there really anyone on the site that would actually consider themselves of a higher status just because of the amount of points they have? One of the stupidest things I've ever heard. (Not you, just the idea that someone would actually care that much about points.)

 

Definitely more Shop Items though, I'm an advocate for that 100%. Something to give people incentive. If you give people a little, they'll become interested. That's one of the things I've learned going to school for Business. While it's theoretically different, it still applies here.

 

I don't see how someone could think that way, unless the mods instigated it in all honesty. Unless there is a particularly stupid member around, most everyone understand points =/= status thankfully.

 

Me too. The more items we get, the more viable pretty much any reward system becomes.

[Guest - Neo -]

I don't see how someone could think that way, unless the mods instigated it in all honesty. Unless there is a particularly stupid member around, most everyone understand points =/= status thankfully.

 

Me too. The more items we get, the more viable pretty much any reward system becomes.

 

It's YCM. I wouldn't put it past anyone.

[Mehmani]

I'm definitely going to post the manifesto thread over the weekend, but as a notice in advance - I only want applications in there. No other posts, so it doesn't get clogged. Then after a cut-off point, the voting begins. You PM your votes to me and I won't reveal who you voted for. You can only vote for a candidate who has posted in the manifesto thread. You can vote for yourself if you are a candidate. You only get one vote, and if you try to vote more than one time, your vote will not be counted. Expect to see the results later next week.

[Guest - Neo -]

I'm definitely going to post the manifesto thread over the weekend, but as a notice in advance - I only want applications in there. No other posts, so it doesn't get clogged. Then after a cut-off point, the voting begins. You PM your votes to me and I won't reveal who you voted for. You can only vote for a candidate who has posted in the manifesto thread. You can vote for yourself if you are a candidate. You only get one vote, and if you try to vote more than one time, your vote will not be counted. Expect to see the results later next week.

 

Just to be sure then, there will be like at least a 24 hour period (or more) for people to apply right? I ask because I work on Friday Night and on Sunday morning, so I don't want to miss out on the day its posted or something along those lines.

[Guest Contradanza]

I'm definitely going to post the manifesto thread over the weekend, but as a notice in advance - I only want applications in there. No other posts, so it doesn't get clogged. Then after a cut-off point, the voting begins. You PM your votes to me and I won't reveal who you voted for. You can only vote for a candidate who has posted in the manifesto thread. You can vote for yourself if you are a candidate. You only get one vote, and if you try to vote more than one time, your vote will not be counted. Expect to see the results later next week.

Does our application have to be the same as our other one or can we make changes?

 

BTW I must say this thread has turned up some awesome suggestions so I don't even know if I should apply. All of you seem really capable of handling a mod position. And sorry for not posting as much. I am very busy as of late.

[Dwarven King]

I'm definitely going to post the manifesto thread over the weekend, but as a notice in advance - I only want applications in there. No other posts, so it doesn't get clogged. Then after a cut-off point, the voting begins. You PM your votes to me and I won't reveal who you voted for. You can only vote for a candidate who has posted in the manifesto thread. You can vote for yourself if you are a candidate. You only get one vote, and if you try to vote more than one time, your vote will not be counted. Expect to see the results later next week.

 

Not going to lie, it's pretty cool of you to try to be "democratic" with this. ^^

 

Just to be sure then, there will be like at least a 24 hour period (or more) for people to apply right? I ask because I work on Friday Night and on Sunday morning, so I don't want to miss out on the day its posted or something along those lines.

 

My fears are the same as Neo's. Stupid work is silly with my schedule. <_<

[Dwarven King]

When is the thread going to be posted? Or was it posted somewhere else?