Big Lez Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Well except for his level, his ATK, him being a Vampire, the Zombie-Type, the DARK Attribute... yeah and the "lord" in his name. While in face-up Attack Position: You can destroy 1 Trap Card you control; negate the activation of a Spell or Trap Card and destroy it. Once per turn: You can return 1 Trap Card in your Graveyard to your deck; destroy 1 face-down Trap or Spell Card your opponent controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Lez Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Why u no rate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattleite Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Why u no rate ? A little ironic considering your signature. Anyways, excellent card. Maybe the start of a trap-heavy Zombie deck. Great control card, it's like a reusable Dark Bribe but without the +1 cheapness of Shi En. The second effect is great too. Also a nice alternative for a Pyramid target other than Goku En. 10/10, this is perfect. The only thing I would do is put "you can" for the two effects, to avoid confusion. And also add "and destroy it" for the negation effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeaux Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 He has nothing to do with the Vampire family or zombie monsters, actually, not even his name has something to do with the effect. Seriously, zombies that can negate Spell and Trap Cards? It is like dinosaurs transforming themselves into dragons and negate everything, if you know what I mean. Im tired of seeing cards whose effect doesnt suits their type or attributes, konami is making me dislike yugioh. On the effect, I dont think it is something balanced. You can set a trap, negate something your opponent would make, then, on the same turn, destroy a face down spell/trap. It is also too easy to summon, since he is a zombie, making it even more unbalanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Lez Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 thx seattleite. Ill change the text after my comment. - I have now realized that my Signature is kinda weird..yep :D I have no idea why a card "Sucking" on it's own Life (in this case "Traps") to destroy an opponents Card shouldnt suit the Vampire Theme. I doubt that you are THE guy to know what Vampires should be able to do? since its a 2000 ATK monster it's destroyed within 1 turn anyways...since you Tribute your own Traps to use it's effect you wouldnt be able to defend yourself from your opponent's monsters. By using this card you would need enough Trap Cards - in return youd have a smaller amount of monsters. Then the "return Trap from Graveyard" is kinda Zombie-Type'ish. And Traps + DARK Att fits perfectly imo. But thats your opinion and i need to respect it. Anyways..thanks for at least commenting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeaux Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Look at Vampire Lord, Vampire Curse and Vampire Genesis. They all have something to do with reborning. And thats what vampires should mean, since they are "immortal". I was expecting something like that when I saw the name of this thread. Also, Trap cards are not the only way to defend your monsters. Monsters can also defend monsters, an example is effect veiler. What youre not getting here is even if his name was not vampire related, it would still be op imo. Its cost is little comparing to the ability of negating something important to your opponent, and you can even recycle the cost you used to destroy your opponent setup. btw, I never said traps and dark monsters together wasnt good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinobi Phoenix Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Look at Vampire Lord, Vampire Curse and Vampire Genesis. They all have something to do with reborning. And thats what vampires should mean, since they are "immortal". I was expecting something like that when I saw the name of this thread. Also, Trap cards are not the only way to defend your monsters. Monsters can also defend monsters, an example is effect veiler. What youre not getting here is even if his name was not vampire related, it would still be op imo. Its cost is little comparing to the ability of negating something important to your opponent, and you can even recycle the cost you used to destroy your opponent setup. btw, I never said traps and dark monsters together wasnt good. "What they 'should' mean?" Why should they mean that to him and who declared final word on what a vampire is in YGO? You're only looking at the few that Konami has even bothered (Vampire Curse isn't a Konami card, it's a Shueisha promo card and they do whatever they want with their designs) with and Vampire Lady already broke your pattern. Vampire Genesis has to do with rebirth because it's an evolution of Lord, so it's copying the effect. Curse was the Shuisha V-Lord expy from YGO-R, so it would just be like that too. Expy, not a theme. Lady again, breaks the pattern. Also, what about Blood Sucker? Red-Moon Baby? Vampire Dragon? Vampire Koala? Vampire Bat from the anime? Why couldn't the card be about what vampire is to him and expand on the theme instead of restricting it to purely what has already been done (otherwise, why is making the card at all if he is just going to copy existing stuff). I myself hate Zombies, but as a creative challenge to myself, I made a Zombie set built around what a "zombie" meant to. Most of YGO's zombies actually don't use much of what classic or modern zombies mean, so I built my set around what was. It actually turned into a very fun project that I'm quite proud of. All that said: Devil's Advocate: The title of the thread says "New Vampire Lord", which is directly misleading and sort of disingenuous since it makes people enter the thread thinking its going to be similar to Vampire Lord directly. That IS a problem. My point is you shouldn't be dictating to someone else what something means to them, just like you wouldn't want someone dictating symbolism and theme to you. You can disagree, but ultimately, up to him do it and it should be fine as long as he can actually justify (read: explain) it so we understand his thinking. To me, I see his thinking as "Traps are 'red', like blood and vampire drink blood, so what about a vampire that 'drinks' Traps as fuel for power". He could have done a lot of things for that symbolism, such as drinking Life Points as fuel, but or just drinking any of his own cards as fuel, but I'm hard to see where he was going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeaux Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 "What they 'should' mean?" Why should they mean that to him and who declared final word on what a vampire is in YGO? You're only looking at the few that Konami has even bothered (Vampire Curse isn't a Konami card, it's a Shueisha promo card and they do whatever they want with their designs) with and Vampire Lady already broke your pattern. Vampire Genesis has to do with rebirth because it's an evolution of Lord, so it's copying the effect. Curse was the Shuisha V-Lord expy from YGO-R, so it would just be like that too. Expy, not a theme. Lady again, breaks the pattern. Also, what about Blood Sucker? Red-Moon Baby? Vampire Dragon? Vampire Koala? Vampire Bat from the anime? Why couldn't the card be about what vampire is to him and expand on the theme instead of restricting it to purely what has already been done (otherwise, why is making the card at all if he is just going to copy existing stuff). I myself hate Zombies, but as a creative challenge to myself, I made a Zombie set built around what a "zombie" meant to. Most of YGO's zombies actually don't use much of what classic or modern zombies mean, so I built my set around what was. It actually turned into a very fun project that I'm quite proud of. All that said: Devil's Advocate: The title of the thread says "New Vampire Lord", which is directly misleading and sort of disingenuous since it makes people enter the thread thinking its going to be similar to Vampire Lord directly. That IS a problem. My point is you shouldn't be dictating to someone else what something means to them, just like you wouldn't want someone dictating symbolism and theme to you. You can disagree, but ultimately, up to him do it and it should be fine as long as he can actually justify (read: explain) it so we understand his thinking. To me, I see his thinking as "Traps are 'red', like blood and vampire drink blood, so what about a vampire that 'drinks' Traps as fuel for power". He could have done a lot of things for that symbolism, such as drinking Life Points as fuel, but or just drinking any of his own cards as fuel, but I'm hard to see where he was going. I tottaly get what you mean. And yes, Lady breaks the pattern I was trying to show. Unfortunatelly, english is not my best language but still I'll try to explain what I see from Vampire cards. Vampires, for me, should be something about rebirth, since they are "immortal" beings (Vampire Lord, Genesis and Curse). But they are also blood suckers, that means that they should have an effect that drain something from your opponent. Thats the case of Lady and Blood Sucker, draining his opponents cards sending them to the Graveyard, and Vampire Koala, that drains the opp lp. Vampires are also known for transform peoples he drains blood, kill or whatever he does, to transform them into vampires. That may be the cause of Red-Moon Baby, since it kills a monster, and them bring it to life again. Im not going to argue about vampire bat because it is an anime card, but Vampire Dragon is the problem about my pattern here, and thats what I said konami doesnt follow his own pattern. Go to the wikia and search for Attributes or Types, see what they really was meant to be, and the cards that is being created. The cards I hate most are Laggia and Dolkka, seriously. Dinosaurs that becomes dragons and then negate things. Was that the initial pattern of the Dragons? I dont think so. Thats what Ive been trying to show. I may have said stupid things in there and being ignorant, Im sorry for that, I respect everyone opinions and Im just showing mine, you dont have to accept it if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Milenko Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 I like this card a lot. I see it as a card that might see a little meta play, but not a whole lot considering the meta right now. But the effect to negate by destroying a Trap could be abused, but it seems like a balanced cost that still makes a good card, something that is hard to do in Yu-Gi-Oh! It seems to me that the card is either balanced OR useful, and almost never both. But the 2nd effect seems a little overpowered to me, but hey, that is the game of Yu-Gi-Oh! With the power creep in mind, the card isn't bad at all. Would it make zombies playable again and a winning deck? Maybe not, but maybe we will see some Trap Cards that are good enough to build a deck around (like the Spellbooks or something) and then hey, this card would be fantastic. But for now, the card is balanced and the effects are a little powerful but that is the game right now anyeway, so 9/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Lez Posted May 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 Thank you for your replies About the discussion: Its a Vampire, it has the level 5 /2000 ATK Stat, its a Zombie, it has a "sucking Blood (in this case Traps)" effect. I didnt want to provocate a Vampire Lord Fan with that horribly misleading title and i apologize for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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