Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 DARK/Spellcaster/Level 4/1700 ATK/0 DEF When this card is flipped face-up: You can target 1 card in your opponent's Graveyard; return that target to the bottom of the Deck. If this card is sent to the Graveyard after being flipped face-up: You can target 1 "Necrovalley" card in your Graveyard; add that target to your hand. This card's effects cannot be negated by "Necrovalley". All-in-all, it seems like a solid card. 2200 ATK under Necrovalley, and you can flip it up to recycle stuff. So why does Anubis think this is a bad card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 It's decent, but doesn't directly benefit the Deck. It's slow in that it has to be Set to get any sort of benefit, and with extremely low DEF. It's still searchable with Recruiter and Disciple, but the first effect is only useful in very specific situations that Necrovalley usually shuts down already, and the second effect, while excellent in getting Necrovalley back, implies you somehow had all your Necrovalleys destroyed already. It doesn't help you control the opponent, and it doesn't get you any direct advantage. I'd run no more than 2, and leaning more towards 1, if that. Wait...1 "Necrovalley" card? Meaning it can recover Tombs or the Vanity's Emptiness that Gravekeepers have? Interesting...but still, not really a tremendous benefit for the Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 The deck doesn't really need it. It's a 22 vanilla if you NS it, which is *ok*, but Assailant is generally a better beatstick cuz stuff with 2100 and less ATK tends to have less than 2k defense. And setting this to retrieve a dead Necrovalley seems sub-optimal, and Steele -> Commandant is usually an available, and better, play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 The deck doesn't really need it. It's a 22 vanilla if you NS it, which is *ok*, but Assailant is generally a better beatstick cuz stuff with 2100 and less ATK tends to have less than 2k defense. And setting this to retrieve a dead Necrovalley seems sub-optimal, and Steele -> Commandant is usually an available, and better, play. But is it bad enough to justify Anubis essentially treating it like toilet paper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 But is it bad enough to justify Anubis essentially treating it like toilet paper? No idea who you're referring to. In my brief experience testing the new Gravekeeper support, I genuinely found myself disappointed with it, and the only time I wanted it was because my opponent loved Exciton, and Necrovalley hated Exciton. And my opponent also loved blasting my facedown monsters without flipping them. So yeah, it's MAYBE a tech card. Do not rely on it by any means. It's not as good as the other GK stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 No idea who you're referring to. The Hounds of Anubis. He's bashing any Gravekeeper's support card that isn't considered mainstream down in his deck thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 The Hounds of Anubis. He's bashing any Gravekeeper's support card that isn't considered mainstream down in his deck thread. I'd be willing to trust him. I know he's a solid player on here, if a bit abrasive. If you disagree, I encourage testing out the cards he bashes, see how they perform. My experience has agreed that Ambusher is suboptimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 The Hounds of Anubis. He's bashing any Gravekeeper's support card that isn't considered mainstream down in his deck thread. And being abrasive towards yours truly. Although he's mooooostly right, I still can't wrap my head around why he won't put Exciton Knight in the Extra when he has space galore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 And being abrasive towards yours truly. Although he's mooooostly right, I still can't wrap my head around why he won't put Exciton Knight in the Extra when he has space galore. Exciton conflicts with Gravekeepers' tendency to keep a large Field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 And being abrasive towards yours truly. Although he's mooooostly right, I still can't wrap my head around why he won't put Exciton Knight in the Extra when he has space galore. I am puzzled as well. Exciton totals up the HAND and the field, and works based on that. It's great for when your opponent attacks with something big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 I am puzzled as well. Exciton totals up the HAND and the field, and works based on that. It's great for when your opponent attacks with something big. Observe my comment above. Gravekeepers are prone to keeping a large backrow, and supporting a certain Field Spell. They don't want a monster that nukes the Field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Observe my comment above. Gravekeepers are prone to keeping a large backrow, and supporting a certain Field Spell. They don't want a monster that nukes the Field. Well, they have a spacey ED right? You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Well, they have a spacey ED right? You never know. Besides, you never know when you might need an explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Besides, you never know when you might need an explosion. Exactly. If GKs had a tight extra then I'd totally understand, but they really don't. But Chris seems to have just shown up so maybe he can explain his thoughts on the matter. Without quoting me and insulting my intelligence preferably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 If you're in a situation where you're lacking resources in both hand and Field, and the Field nuke would benefit you...you're going to lose. Gravekeepers play a game of attrition and control. You COULD run it...or you could run different Rank 4s that don't kill all your resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Exciton Knight is a card up for debate in the extra since there is certainly flex space there. I just disagree with its use since it just doesn't do anything GKs wants to do, to put it very shortly.The main deck, however, is not made of flex space, and this is a weak card when compared to any other GK. The games where they kill all 3 Necros will be very rare and I wouldn't want to be overpreparing for fringe scenarios like those. Not to mention the deck can win without Necrovalley even if it is significantly more difficult. The deck in no way requires this card and if it got a maindeck slot I'd play Assailant over it every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Exciton Knight is a card up for debate in the extra since there is certainly flex space there. I just disagree with its use since it just doesn't do anything GKs wants to do, to put it very shortly. The main deck, however, is not made of flex space, and this is a weak card when compared to any other GK. The games where they kill all 3 Necros will be very rare and I wouldn't want to be overpreparing for fringe scenarios like those. Not to mention the deck can win without Necrovalley even if it is significantly more difficult. The deck in no way requires this card and if it got a maindeck slot I'd play Assailant over it every time. Though this can bring back the other Necrovalley cards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 That has to be the slowest response to your opponent doing something possible, in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Though this can bring back the other Necrovalley cards... It's still too slow to be much of a real benefit. If you have to wait a whole turn for Ambusher to die, then I doubt you'll get much use out of a Dark Bribe. And the Oppression isn't very good, side material at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 It's still too slow to be much of a real benefit. If you have to wait a whole turn for Ambusher to die, then I doubt you'll get much use out of a Dark Bribe. And the Oppression isn't very good, side material at best. Not die. Just flip up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 I basically never actually want to play this while using GKs because it's so slow. The only real use is later in the game when you are out of valley, but at that point your opponent probably wont care. I've been told it's good though, so that's a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Not die.Just flip up.Read it.It does have to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Not die. Just flip up. When this card is flipped face-up: You can target 1 card in your opponent’s Graveyard; return that target to the bottom of the Deck. If this card is sent from the field to the Graveyard after being flipped face-up: You can target 1 "Necrovalley" card in your Graveyard; add that target to your hand. This card’s effects cannot be negated by the effect of "Necrovalley". Sadly it's gotta die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 It does have one of the coolest GK artworks imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastar Rainford Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 Assassin's Creed X: Cryptic Tails I just stopped using him in my GKs...he is too slow and room is better used by other cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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