Lunar Origins Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 My my, this is old. Just re-did the effect so that it's not so horribly horrible. 1 Plant-type Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner monsters While this card is Special Summoned in face-up Defense position: all face-up non Plant-type monsters in face-up Attack position lose 300 ATK x their Level OR 300 ATK x their Rank. If a monster on the field has an ATK of 500 or below: return that monster to its owners hand. You cannot conduct your Battle Phase during the turn this card was Special Summoned. ATK: 1800 | DEF: 600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Broken. this would auto bounce all level 4 or below. Edit: Scratch that, it would auto bounce majority of monsters with a level in general. and most Xyzs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted December 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 I could tweak it to 300 and make it only effect face-up Attack position monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 That still wouldn't be enough. Since you cant Normal Summon in face-up defense, and most plays these days are with little monsters, this would be an auto-win card against MAJORITY of the decks that see play today. This card also renders tuners absolutely useless (ALL tuners with this specific attack decrease would equal a bounce). Combine this with Black Garden, and your opponent cannot do a SINGLE THING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted December 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 That still wouldn't be enough. Since you cant Normal Summon in face-up defense, and most plays these days are with little monsters, this would be an auto-win card against MAJORITY of the decks that see play today. This card also renders tuners absolutely useless (ALL tuners with this specific attack decrease would equal a bounce). Combine this with Black Garden, and your opponent cannot do a SINGLE THING. I can limit her defense to 400 so Rose tokens can run her over pretty easily. Plant-type decks aren't seeing a whole lot of play, and most decks that I know of can spam things above 500 ATK (even with this card's effect). She auto-loses against most R4 spam decks and 101 just laughs at her, going omnon. Black Garden seems pretty irrelevant if I lower her attack. Removal via backrow is incredibly prevalent and easy, and she wouldn't likely be out long if she was removed. Her effect lets things bypass BTH pretty easily, too. This card is far from 'insta-win'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 101 WILL NOT laugh at her, because she is in defense mode where 101 can't touch her. Edit: Saw that it requires a plant-tuner now. Its more managable now, but being level 5 is reallllly pushing it. This type of effect doesn't belong on a level 5. with Lonefire coming to 2 and the Sylvan/Shinra archetype coming, there is no justification to this card. If you absolutely need this effect, alter it so that it is not Continuous, and only applies to face-up monsters that were on the field when it was summoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted December 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 ...And I continuously forget that 101 needs a face-up ATK position target, my mistake. I changed the effect a little more. It's not a "I'll wipe the field and kill you this turn" card now, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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