The strongest Six Samurai Xyz Monster

[thomasjcs]

I got this idea based on the concept on the new number monster that is going to appear in duelist avent

 

Shien-Shogun Lord Of The Six Samurai

Rank 4

Fire

ATK2500/2400

Warrior/Xyz/Effect

2 or more (Max 5) level 4 Six Samurai Monsters

Once per turn you can detach 1 Xyz Material from any Xyz monsters you control to negate the activation of a card effect. This card gains effects based on the number of Xyz material's attach to it:

*1 or More: This card cannot be destroyed by battle.

*2 or More: This card is unaffected by your opponents Monster Effects 

*3 or More: This card is unaffected by Spell Cards.

*4 or More: This card is unaffected by Trap Cards.

*5 or More: When this card attack's an opponents Monster with higher ATK, this card gain's ATK equal to the monster its battling until the End Phase.

[arkaeldarknnes]

The concept is way too similar. I know it is based on that card, but I don't see the same benefit as 86 has for 2+ materials. Actually you only separated the 3+ materials into three separated effects. It doesn't negate the opponent effects or restrict their activation, so I find it less useful than the other shiens. Also, it could be stopped with things as simple as marshmallon or I think even Threatening Roar (as far as I know it affects the player, who can't declare the attacks)

[thomasjcs]

The concept is way too similar. I know it is based on that card, but I don't see the same benefit as 86 has for 2+ materials. Actually you only separated the 3+ materials into three separated effects. It doesn't negate the opponent effects or restrict their activation, so I find it less useful than the other shiens. Also, it could be stopped with things as simple as marshmallon or I think even Threatening Roar (as far as I know it affects the player, who can't declare the attacks)

Sorry about that I just wanted to keep it balanced and not to OP. I did noticed I forgot to add what kind of level was needed and I did tweaked that last effect a bit. Anyway I just wanted make it capable of dealing with not only spell and traps but to also deal with monster effects like 96 and photon dragon or other monsters similar. If you have any suggestion what should change and improve.

[arkaeldarknnes]

Sorry about that I just wanted to keep it balanced and not to OP. I did noticed I forgot to add what kind of level was needed and I did tweaked that last effect a bit. Anyway I just wanted make it capable of dealing with not only spell and traps but to also deal with monster effects like 96 and photon dragon or other monsters similar. If you have any suggestion what should change and improve.

 

I can see three ways to make it stronger but not OP like 86:

1.- Don't force it to de-attach cards in the standby phase

2.- Add this effect: "Once per turn: You can de attach an xzy material from any xyz monster on your side of the field to negate an opponent card effect and destroy it".

3.- Both (I would choose this one)

[thomasjcs]

I can see three ways to make it stronger but not OP like 86:

1.- Don't force it to de-attach cards in the standby phase

2.- Add this effect: "Once per turn: You can de attach an xzy material from any xyz monster on your side of the field to negate an opponent card effect and destroy it".

3.- Both (I would choose this one)

Shien-Shogun Lord Of The Six Samurai

Rank 4

Fire

ATK2500/2400

Warrior/Xyz/Effect

2 Level 4 Six Samurai Monsters

Once per turn you can detach an Xyz Material from any Xyz monster on your side of the field to negate an opponent's card effect and destroy it.

 

I type it here to see if anyone else think differently.

[arkaeldarknnes]

Shien-Shogun Lord Of The Six Samurai

Rank 4

Fire

ATK2500/2400

Warrior/Xyz/Effect

2 Level 4 Six Samurai Monsters

Once per turn you can detach an Xyz Material from any Xyz monster on your side of the field to negate an opponent's card effect and destroy it.

 

I type it here to see if anyone else think differently.

 

I think you should keep the other effects, to make it a real boss monster for the archetype. It still would be kind of difficult to summon it with the lvl 4 six samurais that are useful and be able to use the better effects so those would be ok to be there.

[thomasjcs]

I think you should keep the other effects, to make it a real boss monster for the archetype. It still would be kind of difficult to summon it with the lvl 4 six samurais that are useful and be able to use the better effects so those would be ok to be there.

Which one's do you mean.

[arkaeldarknnes]

I think it should be like this:

 

Shien-Shogun Lord Of The Six Samurai

Rank 4

Fire

ATK2500/2400

Warrior/Xyz/Effect

2 Level 4 Six Samurai Monsters

Once per turn you can detach an Xyz Material from any Xyz monster on your side of the field to negate an opponent's card effect and destroy it.

This card gains effect's based on the number of Xyz materials attach to it:

*1 or More: This card cannot be destroyed by battle.

*2 or More: This card is unaffected by your opponents Monster Effects 

*3 or More: This card is unaffected by Spell Cards.

*4 or More: This card is unaffected by Trap Cards.

*5 or More: When this card attack's an opponents Monster with higher ATK, this card gain's ATK equal to the monster its battling until the End Phase.

 

It gives a reason to lose its additional effects, in case you don't have any other xyz monsters on the field.

[thomasjcs]

 

I think it should be like this:

 

Shien-Shogun Lord Of The Six Samurai

Rank 4

Fire

ATK2500/2400

Warrior/Xyz/Effect

2 Level 4 Six Samurai Monsters

Once per turn you can detach an Xyz Material from any Xyz monster on your side of the field to negate an opponent's card effect and destroy it.

This card gains effect's based on the number of Xyz materials attach to it:

*1 or More: This card cannot be destroyed by battle.

*2 or More: This card is unaffected by your opponents Monster Effects 

*3 or More: This card is unaffected by Spell Cards.

*4 or More: This card is unaffected by Trap Cards.

*5 or More: When this card attack's an opponents Monster with higher ATK, this card gain's ATK equal to the monster its battling until the End Phase.

 

It gives a reason to lose its additional effects, in case you don't have any other xyz monsters on the field.

 

But if its done this way doesn't this make too OP?

[arkaeldarknnes]

But if its done this way doesn't this make too OP?

 

Which SS are level 4?

LSS Enishi, LSS Kizan, SS Ioru, SS Zanji and ZZ Nisashi.

 

Now, Which of thesse are actually useful?

The last time I checked, only kizan, maybe zanji and Ioru too.

 

Out of them only kizan can be special summoned, so even with gate it would be a lot of work to summon more than 3 of them. Now, if you want to negate something, you have to deattach one material, so it means 1 less effect.

 

Let's say for example that you don't have more xzy, and negate something like bottomless when it hits the field, that means that you have a max of 4. Then during your opponent turns he activates something that you negate again, 3. Now it is vulnerable to traps and can't negate for the rest of the turn, so it could be destroyed/banished/bounced by other trap card.

 

It is just a little bit stronger than the LSS synchro, and it would be basically the same lock with shien from the main deck.

[thomasjcs]

Which SS are level 4?

LSS Enishi, LSS Kizan, SS Ioru, SS Zanji and ZZ Nisashi.

 

Now, Which of thesse are actually useful?

The last time I checked, only kizan, maybe zanji and Ioru too.

 

Out of them only kizan can be special summoned, so even with gate it would be a lot of work to summon more than 3 of them. Now, if you want to negate something, you have to deattach one material, so it means 1 less effect.

 

Let's say for example that you don't have more xzy, and negate something like bottomless when it hits the field, that means that you have a max of 4. Then during your opponent turns he activates something that you negate again, 3. Now it is vulnerable to traps and can't negate for the rest of the turn, so it could be destroyed/banished/bounced by other trap card.

 

It is just a little bit stronger than the LSS synchro, and it would be basically the same lock with shien from the main deck.

Done! See if everyone else thinks about this.

[Progenitor]

I agree, it may seem pretty OPed, but the extremely limited summoning conditions limit its power, as SS lack a strong lvl 4 engine.