HORUS Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344632,00.htmlStudent kicked out of school for wearing a John Edwards 08 T-shirt. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344350,00.htmlKid receives a 0 on a project because it has a bible verse on it. discuss why this is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco Straybyrn Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Freedom of religion and expression are valid points, but there is Separation of Church and State for the bible one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Freedom of religion and expression are valid points' date=' but there is Separation of Church and State for the bible one.[/quote'] Logically, Separation of Church and State (SoCaS) should mean that the project grade should not alter based on the presence (or lack thereof) of religious material. Giving a student a 0 on a project is a far greater breach of SoCaS than it would have been to give them the grade they would otherwise have received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco Straybyrn Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Freedom of religion and expression are valid points' date=' but there is Separation of Church and State for the bible one.[/quote'] Logically, Separation of Church and State (SoCaS) should mean that the project grade should not alter based on the presence (or lack thereof) of religious material. Giving a student a 0 on a project is a far greater breach of SoCaS than it would have been to give them the grade they would otherwise have received. Alright then. I'm on your side with this one, but only because I can be. Every other time I've just been against you for lack of opposition. =p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted April 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Yes, but Separation of church and state means that Religion is not taught in public school. Expressing yourself with a quote of the bible is not against that rule. I'm even anti-religious and I think that teacher is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco Straybyrn Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Yes' date=' but Separation of church and state means that Religion is not taught in public school. Expressing yourself with a quote of the bible is not against that rule. I'm even anti-religious and I think that teacher is wrong.[/quote'] That's what we're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted April 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Yeah, I was writing it as you two conferred, and posted after going to the bathroom, so I didn't know you had already agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco Straybyrn Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Yeah' date=' I was writing it as you two conferred, and posted after going to the bathroom, so I didn't know you had already agreed.[/quote'] I triple dog dare Chaos Pudding to try and go against us on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 A teacher can give any excuse for failing a kid, as long as they deem it justifiable through their Narrow scope of reality. Under terms of "Should", the kid should not be failed, however, because the teacher deemed it fit, then it was fair until it was challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 A teacher can give any excuse for failing a kid' date=' as long as they deem it justifiable through their Narrow scope of reality. Under terms of "Should", the kid should not be failed, however, because the teacher deemed it fit, then it was fair until it was challenged.[/quote'] Isn't anything fair until challenged? It's the Two Plus Two Equals Five scenario. For all intents and purposes, anything is true as long as everyone believes it is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonwalk 2000 Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 i know my school is the same way a kid got expelled for kissing on the buss once! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted April 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 i know my school is the same way a kid got expelled for kissing on the buss once! That's irrelevant to the stories we are discussing. One is about free speech, and the other is about the injustice of failing a kid for no sensible reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonwalk 2000 Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 okay then ill good to another blog... any way i think that these days freedom of speach is being misused take neo Nazis for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 okay then ill good to another blog... any way i think that these days freedom of speach is being misused take neo Nazis for example What does that have to do with the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 okay then ill good to another blog... any way i think that these days freedom of speach is being misused take neo Nazis for example What does that have to do with the discussion? Nothing, but its time to bring back that old thread I made concerning all political philosophies, way long ago.... brb I found it... some 1600 posts ago... http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/showthread.php?tid=20842 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted April 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 lol Static. That was in my HEIL HITLER stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 lol Static. That was in my HEIL HITLER stage. You were right though, though it is not desirable, it is effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigE181 Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 That ain't cool! and why did they do it i wear them once but not once i had then under my jacket.and i like the art and there is no problem with it, i didn't give them A for the grade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted April 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Fascism is effective but wrong. Good question. Why did they do it i wear them once! Couldn't have posted a better question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco Straybyrn Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Fascism is effective but wrong. Good question. Why did they do it i wear them once! Couldn't have posted a better question. You made me think of a reso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Media overhype everything and twist stories to get you thinking a certain thing. This another case of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 i would give school education systems a -10,000/10. After all,people have all the rights to do/say/wear whatever they want since he/she likes it. And,religion is simply how certain people choose to live his/her live,it ain't a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arekku_Koro Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard! Seriously, WTF????????????????? Both those principles were idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoolMeNever Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Jeez, for once, I actually agree with HORUS on something that's not YGO. That's just messed up. Makes me glad I'm being in a school were I don't have to mess with that crap. EDIT: When was that John Edwards thing? Hasn't Edwards dropped out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco Straybyrn Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Jeez' date=' for once, I actually agree with HORUS on something that's not YGO. That's just messed up. Makes me glad I'm being in a school were I don't have to mess with that crap. EDIT: When was that John Edwards thing? Hasn't Edwards dropped out?[/quote'] People can still support him. Not saying that I do. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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