Tickle Me Emo Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Actually depending upon how early you pull a macro cosmos it can stop DAD cause the monsters must be in teh graveyard to special summon DAD. Trust me, Ive stopped him with Macro because it sends the monsters to teh Removed From Play instead of the graveyard so DAD cant be special summoned. Bottomless will send DAD out of play and that will then cost the opponent another 2000 or half their lifepoints to bring it back while maintaining the exactly 3 darks in his/her grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 So Crab what your saying is that there is no way to beat DAD? Or are you saying he should be banned because he can be an OTK. So then all OTK cards should be banned? If DAD is such a threat then do what I do' date=' side deck a few cards to stop DAD like Macro Cosmos or Bottomless Trap Hole.[/quote'] macrocosmos DON'T stop DAD... only supports the deck... bottomless could stop DAD, but it WON'T stop dimension fusion... not all the OTK cards should be banned, just the brainless 2-cards OTK cards... Bottomless cannot stop DAD. It's called priority. And why couldn't bottomless stop D-Fusion? I think it can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Bottomless stops D-Fusion. DAD can't be D-Fused. Dark Armed Return is fast enough that the DAD player can easily draw another one. Bottomless still lets DAD use his effect once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 simple... any player would use bottomless against DAD, so no bottomless when dimension fusion is activated, and no one, i repeat NO ONE would set 2 bottomless at the same time... also, solemn is way better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 DAD is good. Might not be banned. Limited to 1 maybe. 2 is too much. 3 is yowza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 THANK YOU MDDW!! Finally someone agrees with me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoPaladin2008 Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 It should be limited because at 1 per deck it is very hard to bring out without some serious draw power. 1/40 chances of drawing it anyone?(that is, of course, without 3 allure, 3 upstarts, etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 It should be limited because at 1 per deck it is very hard to bring out without some serious draw power. 1/40 chances of drawing it anyone?(that is' date=' of course, without 3 allure, 3 upstarts, etc...)[/quote'] Because Dark Armed Return has no draw power, right? Also, let's limit Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. It should be limited because at 1 per deck it is very hard to bring out without some serious draw power. 1/40 chances of drawing it anyone?(that is, of course, without 3 allure, 3 upstarts, etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 DAD should be banned, chaos decks dominated a format, they got banned. DAD has dominated this format so it needs banning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 DAD should be banned' date=' chaos decks dominated a format, they got banned. DAD has dominated this format so it needs banning[/quote'] First of all, check your history. Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End was banned after about a format, but Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning remained Limited for another three formats after that, and until an additional two formats had passed, Chaos Sorcerer was unlimited. Second of all, dominating a format is not a reason for being banned. Often the cause of one deck's dominance is not a power imbalance within that deck but instead a power imbalance in its support. For example, RaiDa was the top deck last format, but should Raiza and LADD be banned? No; however, broken cards like Destiny Hero - Disk Commander and Treeborn Frog made RaiDa a powerful deck. Dark Armed Return receives significant support (and, in fact, its entire win condition) from such cards as Destiny Hero - Disk Commander, Dimension Fusion, Return from the Different Dimension, Darklord Zerato, Allure of Darkness, and Dark Magician of Chaos; without those cards, Dark Armed Return wouldn't even exist. That said, Dark Armed Dragon should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 You know what Crab? After using DAD on YVD I understand and agree with you that DAD should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 aleluya!! a sheep who has seen the light has returned to the group!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 you calling me a follower? I dont follow I lead the pact... now you go first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 who said "followers" or "leaders"?? in a perfect world with a perfect ban list, we're all equals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 who said "followers" or "leaders"?? in a perfect world with a perfect ban list' date=' we're all equals...[/quote'] AHAHAHAHAHAHA. In a terrible world with a terrible banlist - like, everything allowed at 4, and Pokemon cards allowed too - we're all equals because whoever wins the coin toss wins the duel. In a perfect world with a perfect banlist, the separation between the more skilled and the less skilled is at its peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 oh sorry... bad feelings made me write that s***t... it's just... it's so hillarious that a guy who was against banning DAD would be a leader of the pact... it's like saying that larvae moth will own the world championship... or the inexperienced spy is the most broken spell card of all epic existence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 The inexperienced spy is the most broken card ever!!! Anyway yea I didnt see how good DAD was because when my opponents would use him Id stop him almost instantly but when I used him on YVD I slaughtered so I now see how its broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusei Fudou Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 DAD should be semi-limited only. The reason is you need it to get it fast before there's a lot of Dark monsters in your grave. I mean, sure Strike Ninja and Bazoo might help out but it's still a little bit hard to get. Wouldn't a Vortex destroy DaD, or a Mirror Force? o_O Semi-limiting might be wise, a full limitation.. eh, I bet if really that much people have 2 DADs, it'd be a bit meaningless, I know semi-limiting is, but it'd make some people satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 DAD should be semi-limited only. The reason is you need it to get it fast before there's a lot of Dark monsters in your grave. I mean' date=' sure Strike Ninja and Bazoo might help out but it's still a little bit hard to get. Wouldn't a Vortex destroy DaD, or a Mirror Force? o_O Semi-limiting might be wise, a full limitation.. eh, I bet if really that much people have 2 DADs, it'd be a bit meaningless, I know semi-limiting is, but it'd make some people satisfied.[/quote'] AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Getting exactly 3 is easy at any point in the duel, and if you seriously think Mirror Force would kill Dark Armed Dragon, you need to play a lot better. Or did you miss the part of his effect where he nukes the opponent's field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 I can see why he is saying DAD should be semi limited because you can kill him with ease, but depending on how far in the duel it can be a problem. And btw its not hard to have 3 dark monsters in teh grave expecially with a deck based on drawing and pulling DAD in 1 turn. Example would be a D-Hero deck. In a D-Hero deck you can run 3 D-Draws, which will give you your 3 darks, 3 allures which alone get you 12 cards and plus there is disk which will allow you to draw cards each time hes special summoned. And btw yea that was stupid saying you can force DAD when he nukes like everything if played right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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