JesusofChaos™ Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzumakinaruto93 Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 dont ban it. Its hard enough to get' date=' although not as hard as DAD, most DAD players only run 1 of these, and it stil hardly gets play, its 2800 atk, Dmoc can still cause more damage with spell abuse. In a dark deck it rules, but otherwise its just a beat stick. With Goblin of greed face up, it can't raigeki.[/quote'] how do people manage that lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Because humans=fail, all the time, some fail more than others and some fail so badly that they deserve to be ejected into space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony4 Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 dont ban it. Its hard enough to get' date=' although not as hard as DAD, most DAD players only run 1 of these, and it stil hardly gets play, its 2800 atk, Dmoc can still cause more damage with spell abuse. In a dark deck it rules, but otherwise its just a beat stick. With Goblin of greed face up, it can't raigeki.[/quote'] anti ragaki. and what what what. oh kiles mom is a big fat b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 dont ban it. Its hard enough to get' date=' although not as hard as DAD, most DAD players only run 1 of these, and it stil hardly gets play, its 2800 atk, Dmoc can still cause more damage with spell abuse. In a dark deck it rules, but otherwise its just a beat stick. With Goblin of greed face up, it can't raigeki.[/quote'] anti ragaki. and what what what. oh kiles mom is a big fat b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I pulled this card this Tuesday' date=' and got a chance to use it personally. On that note, ban it.[/quote'] so you want to ban a card you just pulled, smart move. Believe it or not, there are people smart enough to understand the game on a level higher than "I have this card, so it shouldn't be banned". dont ban it. Its hard enough to get' date=' although not as hard as DAD, most DAD players only run 1 of these, and it stil hardly gets play, its 2800 atk, Dmoc can still cause more damage with spell abuse. In a dark deck it rules, but otherwise its just a beat stick. With Goblin of greed face up, it can't raigeki.[/quote'] Dark Hole isn't as good as Raigeki. Unban Dark Hole. Dark Hole can't destroy your opponent's monsters if the opponent has White Hole. Unban Dark Hole. Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is a dead draw in a deck with no LIGHT monsters. Unban Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Dark Hole isn't as good as Raigeki. Unban Dark Hole. Dark Hole can't destroy your opponent's monsters if the opponent has White Hole. Unban Dark Hole. Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is a dead draw in a deck with no LIGHT monsters. Unban Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. I do think Dark hole should be unban, also Butterfly dagger. Chaos emperor dragon even without Lights can be abused with phantom of chaos, so no, it still deserves ban. Chaos Emperor Dragon is stil lvl 8, so it can be trade in... still ban. Chaos Emperor Dragon is dark, can still be allured, still ban. Chaos emporer dragon, can and if was un baned would be played in every Rainbow dark deck, and pwn freakin hard. still ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuki Ortez Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Way to overpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Way to overpowered. care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuki Ortez Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 It's easily summoned, it destorys all monsters that your oppoent controls. No matter if it destorys it self it can be brought back easily. Not saying it's aad card because I've used him alot. It's just really overpowered. No matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 It's easily summoned' date=' it destorys all monsters that your oppoent controls. No matter if it destorys it self it can be brought back easily. Not saying it's aad card because I've used him alot. It's just really overpowered. No matter.[/quote'] Is this card powerful, yes, but powerful enough to get banned, i doubt it. I just dont feel as though this card warrants such treatment when we still have much bigger fish to fry. When people are screaming limit DAD faster than they utter Ban DAD, or not touching the longest running ban hammer worthy spellcaster, its ridiculous. Hell, Diamond dude can do the same thing by flipping a vortex on all face up creatures, or flipping ODH. And you dont even loose hand or field advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuki Ortez Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Banning it is the least of my worries, and DAD is ten times worse anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzumakinaruto93 Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Banning it is the least of my worries' date=' and DAD is ten times worse anyway.[/quote'] or just ban both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAG Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 I do think Dark hole should be unban' date=' also Butterfly dagger.[/quote']Darklord Zerato, Dark Hole, AND Butterfly Dagger? I think NOT. Anyways, it's not as good as DAD (not even close), but still can abused badly, and therefore should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 I do think Dark hole should be unban' date=' also Butterfly dagger.[/quote']Darklord Zerato, Dark Hole, AND Butterfly Dagger? I think NOT. Anyways, it's not as good as DAD (not even close), but still can abused badly, and therefore should be banned. oh wow, a special-summon raigeki beatstick not abusable?? gime me what you're smoking!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Somebody please tell me what good Butterfly dagger can do now? other than one discard, or an additional attack for ben? I mean Pheonix blade at this point is more broken than butterfly dagger. With most fields not accumulating over two monsters apiece until the OTK factor is met, dark hole just becomes a free vortex. Hardly any body sets, and people dont use flip effects. Dark hole really wouldn't effect the game much now a days, it just be the "Monster reborn" of Monster destruction, that means they are probably gonna ban something stupid like both fissure and Smashing ground tho, oh and we gotta give it a reason, like banning call cuz they unlimited jinzo, hell lets just unlimit Twin headed behemoth. It comes back at the end of every turn its destroyed, and at 3 per deck, i guess dark hole wouldnt be shun'd upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Dark Hole isn't as good as Raigeki. Unban Dark Hole. Dark Hole can't destroy your opponent's monsters if the opponent has White Hole. Unban Dark Hole. Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is a dead draw in a deck with no LIGHT monsters. Unban Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. I do think Dark hole should be unban' date=' also Butterfly dagger.[/quote'] Yeah, you lost your credibility when you said that. Chaos emperor dragon even without Lights can be abused with phantom of chaos' date=' so no, it still deserves ban.[/quote'] Phantom of Chaos deserves a ban. And way to miss the point of my comment. Chaos Emperor Dragon is stil lvl 8' date=' so it can be trade in... still ban.[/quote'] Guess what level Darklord Zerato is? Hint: it rhymes with "eight". Chaos Emperor Dragon is dark' date=' can still be allured, still ban.[/quote'] Guess what attribute Darklord Zerato is? Hint: Look at his name. Chaos emporer dragon' date=' can and if was un baned would be played in every Rainbow dark deck, and pwn freakin hard. still ban.[/quote'] Rainbow Dark decks suck. It's easily summoned' date=' it destorys all monsters that your oppoent controls. No matter if it destorys it self it can be brought back easily. Not saying it's aad card because I've used him alot. It's just really overpowered. No matter.[/quote'] Is this card powerful, yes, but powerful enough to get banned, i doubt it. In that case, we'd better unban Raigeki too, since this guy turns every single DARK monster into Raigeki. I just dont feel as though this card warrants such treatment when we still have much bigger fish to fry. Just because other cards are more broken doesn't mean that this card isn't also broken. That's like saying that' date=' since Graceful Charity is banned, Pot of Greed should be legal. When people are screaming limit DAD faster than they utter Ban DAD, or not touching the longest running ban hammer worthy spellcaster, its ridiculous. I can't even tell what you're trying to say here. Learn English. Hell' date=' Diamond dude can do the same thing by flipping a vortex on all face up creatures, or flipping ODH. And you dont even loose hand or field advantage.[/quote'] Darklord Zerato instantly turns every DARK in your hand into Raigeki. Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude allows you to hope that you can luckily topdeck just the right card at just the right time - a card that would be useless if you had drawn it instead of sending it to the grave - and if you do get lucky, then you still need to wait a turn, AND you give your opponent a full turn's advanced notice of your plans. If you can't tell the difference between these, play better. Banning it is the least of my worries' date=' and DAD is ten times worse anyway.[/quote'] I missed the memo where only one card can be on the banlist at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Somebody please tell me what good Butterfly dagger can do now? other than one discard' date=' or an additional attack for ben? I mean Pheonix blade at this point is more broken than butterfly dagger. With most fields not accumulating over two monsters apiece until the OTK factor is met, dark hole just becomes a free vortex. Hardly any body sets, and people dont use flip effects. Dark hole really wouldn't effect the game much now a days, it just be the "Monster reborn" of Monster destruction, that means they are probably gonna ban something stupid like both fissure and Smashing ground tho, oh and we gotta give it a reason, like banning call cuz they unlimited jinzo, hell lets just unlimit Twin headed behemoth. It comes back at the end of every turn its destroyed, and at 3 per deck, i guess dark hole wouldnt be shun'd upon.[/quote'] Ever heard of the butterfly dagger otk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Dark Hole isn't as good as Raigeki. Unban Dark Hole. Dark Hole can't destroy your opponent's monsters if the opponent has White Hole. Unban Dark Hole. Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is a dead draw in a deck with no LIGHT monsters. Unban Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. I do think Dark hole should be unban' date=' also Butterfly dagger.[/quote'] Yeah, you lost your credibility when you said that. Okay, this is going to be my last comment on this topic. I don't know how, but it has occurred to me that if your opinion, that little thing that depicts how you as an individual feels, you know... the thing that separates you from anybody else is obviously shunned upon and should be left on the door mat before you step into the forum. I forgot that if your comment, doesn't match the forum creators, or the highest lvl'd poster's comment you must immediately apologize, or be prepared to fight the toughest fight of your non verbal/ physical life. And silly me for thinking that i could ever stand a chance. (Frankly im surprised i hadn't been -rep'd to death.) BUT after its all said and done with, "I" (A term "I" use in every post that isn't a fact, or that "I" feel is truth. Also a clue word to let people know that what "I" am about to type is Bias, and all my own thinking) still don't believe that this card is ban worthy. Somebody please tell me what good Butterfly dagger can do now? other than one discard' date=' or an additional attack for ben? I mean Pheonix blade at this point is more broken than butterfly dagger. With most fields not accumulating over two monsters apiece until the OTK factor is met, dark hole just becomes a free vortex. Hardly any body sets, and people dont use flip effects. Dark hole really wouldn't effect the game much now a days, it just be the "Monster reborn" of Monster destruction, that means they are probably gonna ban something stupid like both fissure and Smashing ground tho, oh and we gotta give it a reason, like banning call cuz they unlimited jinzo, hell lets just unlimit Twin headed behemoth. It comes back at the end of every turn its destroyed, and at 3 per deck, i guess dark hole wouldnt be shun'd upon.[/quote'] Ever heard of the butterfly dagger otk Yes i have, and with all the other OTK's around, this one can just join the party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Dark Hole isn't as good as Raigeki. Unban Dark Hole. Dark Hole can't destroy your opponent's monsters if the opponent has White Hole. Unban Dark Hole. Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is a dead draw in a deck with no LIGHT monsters. Unban Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. I do think Dark hole should be unban' date=' also Butterfly dagger.[/quote'] Yeah, you lost your credibility when you said that. Okay, this is going to be my last comment on this topic. I don't know how, but it has occurred to me that if your opinion, that little thing that depicts how you as an individual feels, you know... the thing that separates you from anybody else is obviously shunned upon and should be left on the door mat before you step into the forum. I forgot that if your comment, doesn't match the forum creators, or the highest lvl'd poster's comment you must immediately apologize, or be prepared to fight the toughest fight of your non verbal/ physical life. And silly me for thinking that i could ever stand a chance. (Frankly im surprised i hadn't been -rep'd to death.) BUT after its all said and done with, "I" (A term "I" use in every post that isn't a fact, or that "I" feel is truth. Also a clue word to let people know that what "I" am about to type is Bias, and all my own thinking) still don't believe that this card is ban worthy. Oops, yeah, I forgot, I was the only person who thought Dark Hole and Butterfly Dagger should be banned, and you presented plenty of reasoning to support your opinion. And everyone with an opinion is already correct. Sorry for everything, I'll be right back after slitting my wrists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Dark Hole isn't as good as Raigeki. Unban Dark Hole. Dark Hole can't destroy your opponent's monsters if the opponent has White Hole. Unban Dark Hole. Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is a dead draw in a deck with no LIGHT monsters. Unban Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. I do think Dark hole should be unban' date=' also Butterfly dagger.[/quote'] Yeah, you lost your credibility when you said that. Okay, this is going to be my last comment on this topic. I don't know how, but it has occurred to me that if your opinion, that little thing that depicts how you as an individual feels, you know... the thing that separates you from anybody else is obviously shunned upon and should be left on the door mat before you step into the forum. I forgot that if your comment, doesn't match the forum creators, or the highest lvl'd poster's comment you must immediately apologize, or be prepared to fight the toughest fight of your non verbal/ physical life. And silly me for thinking that i could ever stand a chance. (Frankly im surprised i hadn't been -rep'd to death.) BUT after its all said and done with, "I" (A term "I" use in every post that isn't a fact, or that "I" feel is truth. Also a clue word to let people know that what "I" am about to type is Bias, and all my own thinking) still don't believe that this card is ban worthy. Oops, yeah, I forgot, I was the only person who thought Dark Hole and Butterfly Dagger should be banned, and you presented plenty of reasoning to support your opinion. And everyone with an opinion is already correct. Sorry for everything, I'll be right back after slitting my wrists. Dang i know i said i wouldn't post any more, but please show me the memo that states an opinion had to be right? Wouldn't than be a .... Fact? Dam... Webster needs to slit its wrist too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Dark Hole isn't as good as Raigeki. Unban Dark Hole. Dark Hole can't destroy your opponent's monsters if the opponent has White Hole. Unban Dark Hole. Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is a dead draw in a deck with no LIGHT monsters. Unban Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. I do think Dark hole should be unban' date=' also Butterfly dagger.[/quote'] Yeah, you lost your credibility when you said that. Okay, this is going to be my last comment on this topic. I don't know how, but it has occurred to me that if your opinion, that little thing that depicts how you as an individual feels, you know... the thing that separates you from anybody else is obviously shunned upon and should be left on the door mat before you step into the forum. I forgot that if your comment, doesn't match the forum creators, or the highest lvl'd poster's comment you must immediately apologize, or be prepared to fight the toughest fight of your non verbal/ physical life. And silly me for thinking that i could ever stand a chance. (Frankly im surprised i hadn't been -rep'd to death.) BUT after its all said and done with, "I" (A term "I" use in every post that isn't a fact, or that "I" feel is truth. Also a clue word to let people know that what "I" am about to type is Bias, and all my own thinking) still don't believe that this card is ban worthy. Oops, yeah, I forgot, I was the only person who thought Dark Hole and Butterfly Dagger should be banned, and you presented plenty of reasoning to support your opinion. And everyone with an opinion is already correct. Sorry for everything, I'll be right back after slitting my wrists. Dang i know i said i wouldn't post any more, but please show me the memo that states an opinion had to be right? Wouldn't than be a .... Fact? Dam... Webster needs to slit its wrist too. If you check the Oxford English Dictionary, you'll find that every definition of "opinion" requires the presence of supporting thought and reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Dark Hole isn't as good as Raigeki. Unban Dark Hole. Dark Hole can't destroy your opponent's monsters if the opponent has White Hole. Unban Dark Hole. Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is a dead draw in a deck with no LIGHT monsters. Unban Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. I do think Dark hole should be unban' date=' also Butterfly dagger.[/quote'] Yeah, you lost your credibility when you said that. Okay, this is going to be my last comment on this topic. I don't know how, but it has occurred to me that if your opinion, that little thing that depicts how you as an individual feels, you know... the thing that separates you from anybody else is obviously shunned upon and should be left on the door mat before you step into the forum. I forgot that if your comment, doesn't match the forum creators, or the highest lvl'd poster's comment you must immediately apologize, or be prepared to fight the toughest fight of your non verbal/ physical life. And silly me for thinking that i could ever stand a chance. (Frankly im surprised i hadn't been -rep'd to death.) BUT after its all said and done with, "I" (A term "I" use in every post that isn't a fact, or that "I" feel is truth. Also a clue word to let people know that what "I" am about to type is Bias, and all my own thinking) still don't believe that this card is ban worthy. Oops, yeah, I forgot, I was the only person who thought Dark Hole and Butterfly Dagger should be banned, and you presented plenty of reasoning to support your opinion. And everyone with an opinion is already correct. Sorry for everything, I'll be right back after slitting my wrists. Dang i know i said i wouldn't post any more, but please show me the memo that states an opinion had to be right? Wouldn't than be a .... Fact? Dam... Webster needs to slit its wrist too. If you check the Oxford English Dictionary, you'll find that every definition of "opinion" requires the presence of supporting thought and reasoning. Which i have done, and carried over almost two pages, Now what does it say about stubborn and closed minded people accepting opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Dark Hole isn't as good as Raigeki. Unban Dark Hole. Dark Hole can't destroy your opponent's monsters if the opponent has White Hole. Unban Dark Hole. Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is a dead draw in a deck with no LIGHT monsters. Unban Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. I do think Dark hole should be unban' date=' also Butterfly dagger.[/quote'] Yeah, you lost your credibility when you said that. Okay, this is going to be my last comment on this topic. I don't know how, but it has occurred to me that if your opinion, that little thing that depicts how you as an individual feels, you know... the thing that separates you from anybody else is obviously shunned upon and should be left on the door mat before you step into the forum. I forgot that if your comment, doesn't match the forum creators, or the highest lvl'd poster's comment you must immediately apologize, or be prepared to fight the toughest fight of your non verbal/ physical life. And silly me for thinking that i could ever stand a chance. (Frankly im surprised i hadn't been -rep'd to death.) BUT after its all said and done with, "I" (A term "I" use in every post that isn't a fact, or that "I" feel is truth. Also a clue word to let people know that what "I" am about to type is Bias, and all my own thinking) still don't believe that this card is ban worthy. Oops, yeah, I forgot, I was the only person who thought Dark Hole and Butterfly Dagger should be banned, and you presented plenty of reasoning to support your opinion. And everyone with an opinion is already correct. Sorry for everything, I'll be right back after slitting my wrists. Dang i know i said i wouldn't post any more, but please show me the memo that states an opinion had to be right? Wouldn't than be a .... Fact? Dam... Webster needs to slit its wrist too. If you check the Oxford English Dictionary, you'll find that every definition of "opinion" requires the presence of supporting thought and reasoning. Which i have done, and carried over almost two pages, Now what does it say about stubborn and closed minded people accepting opinions? No, you haven't provided the slightest bit of reasoning for unbanning Dark Hole. Or were you so worked up that you forgot what you were arguing about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAG Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Somebody please tell me what good Butterfly dagger can do now? other than one discard' date=' or an additional attack for ben? I mean Pheonix blade at this point is more broken than butterfly dagger.[/quote']If you ever decide to play traditional format, try and see what happens when you have: 1) Gearfried the Iron Knight & Royal Magical Library on your field2) Butterfly Dagger in your hand3) to rely on Exodia to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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