CrabHelmet Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Discuss. [spoiler=Chimeratech Fortress Dragon : Discussion]EarlSkyhawk: I need you all to really discuss one.EarlSkyhawk: Chimeratech Fortress Dragonomnimatt: Chimeratech Overdragon = 0, correct?PlusIntoMinus: Kill.Turtleman10314: Yes.EarlSkyhawk: Yesomnimatt: Sorry, keep getting behind.EarlSkyhawk: Talk about Fortress Dragon nowPlusIntoMinus: It turns Cyber Dragon, which is already playable on its own, into something that can kill every machine the opponent has.Sane Orange: Fortress is... an interesting case, really.PlusIntoMinus: And then there's the obvious combos like DNA Surgery, Creature Swap, and so on.Turtleman10314: Makes Omega sad?omnimatt: Kill it, methinks.PlusIntoMinus: Also, it requires no skill..EarlSkyhawk: It doesn't make Omega sadIronChefCHN: im not seeing Fortress's big dealEarlSkyhawk: Here, readIronChefCHN: is it just a big beatstick?EarlSkyhawk: This card cannot be used as a Fusion Material Monster. This card cannot be Special Summoned from the Fusion Deck except by sending the above cards on either side of the field to the Graveyard. (You do not use "Polymerization".)IronChefCHN: okEarlSkyhawk: on either side of the fieldIronChefCHN: i understand thatIronChefCHN: ohPlusIntoMinus: Chef, the problem is "either side of the field".IronChefCHN: i missed thatIronChefCHN: but that only works for machinesEarlSkyhawk: Since the cards are being sent for a Summon ConditionEarlSkyhawk: Machines become unplayablePlusIntoMinus: Nobleman.PlusIntoMinus: It's a Nobleman for Machines instead of Flips.EarlSkyhawk: Further, it's a FusionEarlSkyhawk: It's a STRONGER NoblemanPlusIntoMinus: And there's no reason not to include it.EarlSkyhawk: Nobleman has to resolveEarlSkyhawk: NamelySane Orange: The main thing about Fortress is that your opponent can take your CyDra for it, too.EarlSkyhawk: Fortress is a StapleEarlSkyhawk: It is a bona fide staplePlusIntoMinus: Wait, I thought we were talking TCG/IronChefCHN: yeah no harm in keeping it in your deckPlusIntoMinus: Fortress isn't confirmed for TCG, is it?EarlSkyhawk: bow-nuh-fee-day stapleTurtleman10314: Yeah, but we were gonna get to it sooner or later.EarlSkyhawk: Salty, E4 is planned as a mixed tournamentPlusIntoMinus: Ah.PlusIntoMinus: Okay.omnimatt: Again.omnimatt: Everyone can use itomnimatt: Machines are laughable if you use itomnimatt: Dead.Sane Orange: I really dunno about Fortress. I mean, I can see it getting banned, but the fact that your opponent can use it against you would still make you be conservative aboout it.Sane Orange: Then again, forcing yourself to be conservative just for the cards you chose to play isn't really a good thing.EarlSkyhawk: It's a good thing when it requires investment of your ownEarlSkyhawk: This is just a free 3x "Machines are dead".Sane Orange: I dunno. Is it worth experimenting at 1 or should it just die completely?PlusIntoMinus: And if sending the monsters to the grave is treated as a cost, so it happens when the chain starts...PlusIntoMinus: Nothing should ever make your opponent lose cards as a COST.Sane Orange: Ok, that's the good point I was looking for.Sane Orange: Alright. Fortress can die.EarlSkyhawk: It's via cost.PlusIntoMinus: Plus, he doesn't help the game.EarlSkyhawk: It's a Summon ConditionEarlSkyhawk: meaning that it doesn't use the ChainPlusIntoMinus: Oh. That's...even more broken.omnimatt: I believe we're ready for a final verdict here.EarlSkyhawk: We've been past final verdict Discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 A translation would be nice. Though I do know what it does. Good card is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XanderTheGreat Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 ... It ensured that in the end nobody in Japan uses Cyber Dragon anymore. Not that it really mattered, as nobody in the OCG actually abused him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzaman Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Slap him in your Extra Deck, and you're good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 A translation would be nice. It's in the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 This is my only true staple, I run it in EVERY deck that has place for it in the Extra Deck.I just like to Snatch all my opponent's monsters and fuse them when he uses a Machine deck and has CyDra on the field. It also works good in a CyDra deck and it has cool combo's. Good card is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 lol card is lol (in agood way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson91 Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 good card is good. Seriously, it rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 This isn't "good card is good". This is "banworthy card is banworthy". Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson91 Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Lulz. It's not even in TCG land yet, and you hope it's getting banned. Also, good job on pt's threads lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Lulz. It's not even in TCG land yet' date=' and you hope it's getting banned.[/quote'] Gors and Sixth Sense should be banned too. In fact, Sixth Sense already is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson91 Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 lol. Crab kicks [edited for younger kids] butt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 god card is god ban now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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