Silencerleader Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abstract [Atrocity] Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Yes it should. With Second Coin Toss' date=' this card is broken.[/quote'] Your logic makes total sense; if you get tails on the first toss, the second toss must be heads, right? It all makes sense now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 The 2-card combo is why it shouldn't be banned. So, now you want it to be banned? Can't you keep your story straight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben7922 Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 This card has potential to be cheap and brokenBUT what if your luck blowsGiving yourself a -3Plus side is a +1One with Second coin is still 0Basing a deck to rely on those will likely kill you in the endI'm not running any and if my opponent uses it, mehWhen a duel is down to that coin flipLets run Time Wizard, he wipes the opponents monsters at no cost! Cup of Ace at ThreeLuck can be a fickle one, even with second coins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 This card has potential to be cheap and brokenBUT what if your luck blowsGiving yourself a -3Plus side is a +1One with Second coin is still 0Basing a deck to rely on those will likely kill you in the endI'm not running any and if my opponent uses it' date=' mehWhen a duel is down to that coin flipLets run Time Wizard, he wipes the opponents monsters at no cost! Cup of Ace at ThreeLuck can be a fickle one, even with second coins[/quote'] That's exactly the problem with Cup of Ace. It makes the game too luck-based. In an ideal environment, luck should be reduced to it's lowest level possible. Cup of Ace prevents that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 This card has potential to be cheap and brokenBUT what if your luck blowsGiving yourself a -3Plus side is a +1One with Second coin is still 0Basing a deck to rely on those will likely kill you in the endI'm not running any and if my opponent uses it' date=' mehWhen a duel is down to that coin flipLets run Time Wizard, he wipes the opponents monsters at no cost! Cup of Ace at ThreeLuck can be a fickle one, even with second coins[/quote'] That's exactly the problem with Cup of Ace. It makes the game too luck-based. In an ideal environment, luck should be reduced to it's lowest level possible. Cup of Ace prevents that.Quoted for Emphasis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benraino Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 This card has potential to be cheap and brokenBUT what if your luck blowsGiving yourself a -3Plus side is a +1One with Second coin is still 0Basing a deck to rely on those will likely kill you in the endI'm not running any and if my opponent uses it' date=' mehWhen a duel is down to that coin flipLets run Time Wizard, he wipes the opponents monsters at no cost! Cup of Ace at ThreeLuck can be a fickle one, even with second coins[/quote'] That's exactly the problem with Cup of Ace. It makes the game too luck-based. In an ideal environment, luck should be reduced to it's lowest level possible. Cup of Ace prevents that.Quoted for Emphasis. Q4EDon't forget Appropraite(sp?) Exodia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Dinosaur Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited, we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Prove that Second Coin Toss is damaging to the meta at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Is that so? I say Limited/Semi-Limited 'cause its not that bad that it needs to be at 0' date=' but its a little strong to be at 3. I mean, that like having a 50/50 shot a a pot of greed... I know its slim, but odds are that if you run 2, you get 1 pot of greed every duel, but odds don't work that way....so you could get up to 6 draws, or as little as your opponent drawing 6 cards... Its risky, but it has a big outcome. Limited/Semi[/quote'] Cup of Ace should be limited. Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Pardon my poor reading comprehension' date=' but it sure looks to me like you guys want this card to be [semi']Limited. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, or maybe you're speaking a language other than English, but that would be my interpretation of what has been said so far. Also, anyone who wants Second Coin Toss to be [semi]Limited sucks at making banlists too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abstract [Atrocity] Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Give a non-failing answer why.Also, give us an answeer to why Dice Re-roll shouldn't be unlimited.Also, post #2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Dinosaur Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Is that so? I say Limited/Semi-Limited 'cause its not that bad that it needs to be at 0' date=' but its a little strong to be at 3. I mean, that like having a 50/50 shot a a pot of greed... I know its slim, but odds are that if you run 2, you get 1 pot of greed every duel, but odds don't work that way....so you could get up to 6 draws, or as little as your opponent drawing 6 cards... Its risky, but it has a big outcome. Limited/Semi[/quote'] Cup of Ace should be limited. Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Pardon my poor reading comprehension' date=' but it sure looks to me like you guys want this card to be [semi']Limited. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, or maybe you're speaking a language other than English, but that would be my interpretation of what has been said so far. Also, anyone who wants Second Coin Toss to be [semi]Limited sucks at making banlists too. Well excuse me Mr. Perfection-all-the-time EDIT: I'm sorry Crab Helmet but you're a little bit judgmental! I see you post and quite frankly, I really don't agree with you sometimes. Yet, I post and you always ask for proof on something. IT DOESN'T MATTER!! It's an opinion!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Rather than excusing yourself, would you mind giving an answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Is that so? I say Limited/Semi-Limited 'cause its not that bad that it needs to be at 0' date=' but its a little strong to be at 3. I mean, that like having a 50/50 shot a a pot of greed... I know its slim, but odds are that if you run 2, you get 1 pot of greed every duel, but odds don't work that way....so you could get up to 6 draws, or as little as your opponent drawing 6 cards... Its risky, but it has a big outcome. Limited/Semi[/quote'] Cup of Ace should be limited. Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Pardon my poor reading comprehension' date=' but it sure looks to me like you guys want this card to be [semi']Limited. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, or maybe you're speaking a language other than English, but that would be my interpretation of what has been said so far. Also, anyone who wants Second Coin Toss to be [semi]Limited sucks at making banlists too. Well excuse me Mr. Perfection-all-the-time It's not about perfection, it's about common sense. Also, I love how you're trying to draw attention away from the fact that you pulled a nonsensical proposal out of nowhere without providing any justification, and later tried to pretend that you had, in fact, pulled a completely different nonsensical proposal out of nowhere, even though your previous posts clearly stated that this was a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Dinosaur Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Is that so? I say Limited/Semi-Limited 'cause its not that bad that it needs to be at 0' date=' but its a little strong to be at 3. I mean, that like having a 50/50 shot a a pot of greed... I know its slim, but odds are that if you run 2, you get 1 pot of greed every duel, but odds don't work that way....so you could get up to 6 draws, or as little as your opponent drawing 6 cards... Its risky, but it has a big outcome. Limited/Semi[/quote'] Cup of Ace should be limited. Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Pardon my poor reading comprehension' date=' but it sure looks to me like you guys want this card to be [semi']Limited. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, or maybe you're speaking a language other than English, but that would be my interpretation of what has been said so far. Also, anyone who wants Second Coin Toss to be [semi]Limited sucks at making banlists too. Well excuse me Mr. Perfection-all-the-time It's not about perfection, it's about common sense. Also, I love how you're trying to draw attention away from the fact that you pulled a nonsensical proposal out of nowhere without providing any justification, and later tried to pretend that you had, in fact, pulled a completely different nonsensical proposal out of nowhere, even though your previous posts clearly stated that this was a lie. Translation please? Also, read the other part of the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Is that so? I say Limited/Semi-Limited 'cause its not that bad that it needs to be at 0' date=' but its a little strong to be at 3. I mean, that like having a 50/50 shot a a pot of greed... I know its slim, but odds are that if you run 2, you get 1 pot of greed every duel, but odds don't work that way....so you could get up to 6 draws, or as little as your opponent drawing 6 cards... Its risky, but it has a big outcome. Limited/Semi[/quote'] Cup of Ace should be limited. Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Pardon my poor reading comprehension' date=' but it sure looks to me like you guys want this card to be [semi']Limited. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, or maybe you're speaking a language other than English, but that would be my interpretation of what has been said so far. Also, anyone who wants Second Coin Toss to be [semi]Limited sucks at making banlists too. Well excuse me Mr. Perfection-all-the-time It's not about perfection, it's about common sense. Also, I love how you're trying to draw attention away from the fact that you pulled a nonsensical proposal out of nowhere without providing any justification, and later tried to pretend that you had, in fact, pulled a completely different nonsensical proposal out of nowhere, even though your previous posts clearly stated that this was a lie. Indeed. *sips tea while adjusting monocle* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Dinosaur Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 *softish voice* Would it seem alright if I said I was sorry? Look Chaos Pudding and Crab Helmet, I didn't mean to flame this thread or to insult your ways. I was just kinda sick of everybody's opinion always leading to them being "wrong" even if it doesn't really exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Is that so? I say Limited/Semi-Limited 'cause its not that bad that it needs to be at 0' date=' but its a little strong to be at 3. I mean, that like having a 50/50 shot a a pot of greed... I know its slim, but odds are that if you run 2, you get 1 pot of greed every duel, but odds don't work that way....so you could get up to 6 draws, or as little as your opponent drawing 6 cards... Its risky, but it has a big outcome. Limited/Semi[/quote'] Cup of Ace should be limited. Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Pardon my poor reading comprehension' date=' but it sure looks to me like you guys want this card to be [semi']Limited. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, or maybe you're speaking a language other than English, but that would be my interpretation of what has been said so far. Also, anyone who wants Second Coin Toss to be [semi]Limited sucks at making banlists too. Well excuse me Mr. Perfection-all-the-time It's not about perfection, it's about common sense. Also, I love how you're trying to draw attention away from the fact that you pulled a nonsensical proposal out of nowhere without providing any justification, and later tried to pretend that you had, in fact, pulled a completely different nonsensical proposal out of nowhere, even though your previous posts clearly stated that this was a lie. Translation please? Also, read the other part of the message. My post is written in a language called "English". I am unable to translate it unless you tell me what language your posts are written in. Perhaps it is Esperanto? Maybe you're fluent in Bantu? I'm afraid my keyboard doesn't have the characters necessary for Traditional Chinese, so that's out of the question. And the other part of the message? Your post had two parts: you claimed that you didn't want Cup of Ace [semi]Limited (despite earlier saying that you did), and you claimed that you did want Second Coin Toss [semi]Limited (which it shouldn't be). I replied to both parts. Unless "the message" refers to "Well excuse me Mr. Perfection-all-the-time", in which case I'm afraid that I can only see one part. *softish voice* Would it seem alright if I said I was sorry? Look Chaos Pudding and Crab Helmet' date=' I didn't mean to flame this thread or to insult your ways. I was just kinda sick of everybody's opinion always leading to them being "wrong" even if it doesn't really exist.[/quote'] Every definition of "opinion" found in the Oxford English Dictionary (it's a book that defines the words used in my language) requires the presence of a supporting thought process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 *softish voice* Would it seem alright if I said I was sorry? Look Chaos Pudding and Crab Helmet' date=' I didn't mean to flame this thread or to insult your ways. I was just kinda sick of everybody's opinion always leading to them being "wrong" even if it doesn't really exist.[/quote'] Dude, don't take things so seriously. It's the internet. And it's not our fault if your opinion is rooted in falsehoods, bad logic, and misinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Dinosaur Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Is that so? I say Limited/Semi-Limited 'cause its not that bad that it needs to be at 0' date=' but its a little strong to be at 3. I mean, that like having a 50/50 shot a a pot of greed... I know its slim, but odds are that if you run 2, you get 1 pot of greed every duel, but odds don't work that way....so you could get up to 6 draws, or as little as your opponent drawing 6 cards... Its risky, but it has a big outcome. Limited/Semi[/quote'] Cup of Ace should be limited. Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Pardon my poor reading comprehension' date=' but it sure looks to me like you guys want this card to be [semi']Limited. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, or maybe you're speaking a language other than English, but that would be my interpretation of what has been said so far. Also, anyone who wants Second Coin Toss to be [semi]Limited sucks at making banlists too. Well excuse me Mr. Perfection-all-the-time EDIT: I'm sorry Crab Helmet but you're a little bit judgmental! I see you post and quite frankly, I really don't agree with you sometimes. Yet, I post and you always ask for proof on something. IT DOESN'T MATTER!! It's an opinion!! This is the other part. Nothing personnal. (It was an edit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Is that so? I say Limited/Semi-Limited 'cause its not that bad that it needs to be at 0' date=' but its a little strong to be at 3. I mean, that like having a 50/50 shot a a pot of greed... I know its slim, but odds are that if you run 2, you get 1 pot of greed every duel, but odds don't work that way....so you could get up to 6 draws, or as little as your opponent drawing 6 cards... Its risky, but it has a big outcome. Limited/Semi[/quote'] Cup of Ace should be limited. Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Pardon my poor reading comprehension' date=' but it sure looks to me like you guys want this card to be [semi']Limited. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, or maybe you're speaking a language other than English, but that would be my interpretation of what has been said so far. Also, anyone who wants Second Coin Toss to be [semi]Limited sucks at making banlists too. Well excuse me Mr. Perfection-all-the-time EDIT: I'm sorry Crab Helmet but you're a little bit judgmental! I see you post and quite frankly, I really don't agree with you sometimes. Yet, I post and you always ask for proof on something. IT DOESN'T MATTER!! It's an opinion!! This is the other part. Nothing personnal. (It was an edit) Read the other part of my post. It's an edit too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Dinosaur Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Is that so? I say Limited/Semi-Limited 'cause its not that bad that it needs to be at 0' date=' but its a little strong to be at 3. I mean, that like having a 50/50 shot a a pot of greed... I know its slim, but odds are that if you run 2, you get 1 pot of greed every duel, but odds don't work that way....so you could get up to 6 draws, or as little as your opponent drawing 6 cards... Its risky, but it has a big outcome. Limited/Semi[/quote'] Cup of Ace should be limited. Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Pardon my poor reading comprehension' date=' but it sure looks to me like you guys want this card to be [semi']Limited. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, or maybe you're speaking a language other than English, but that would be my interpretation of what has been said so far. Also, anyone who wants Second Coin Toss to be [semi]Limited sucks at making banlists too. Well excuse me Mr. Perfection-all-the-time EDIT: I'm sorry Crab Helmet but you're a little bit judgmental! I see you post and quite frankly, I really don't agree with you sometimes. Yet, I post and you always ask for proof on something. IT DOESN'T MATTER!! It's an opinion!! This is the other part. Nothing personnal. (It was an edit) Read the other part of my post. It's an edit too. I quit... I surrender... You win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Is that so? I say Limited/Semi-Limited 'cause its not that bad that it needs to be at 0' date=' but its a little strong to be at 3. I mean, that like having a 50/50 shot a a pot of greed... I know its slim, but odds are that if you run 2, you get 1 pot of greed every duel, but odds don't work that way....so you could get up to 6 draws, or as little as your opponent drawing 6 cards... Its risky, but it has a big outcome. Limited/Semi[/quote'] Cup of Ace should be limited. Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Pardon my poor reading comprehension' date=' but it sure looks to me like you guys want this card to be [semi']Limited. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, or maybe you're speaking a language other than English, but that would be my interpretation of what has been said so far. Also, anyone who wants Second Coin Toss to be [semi]Limited sucks at making banlists too. Well excuse me Mr. Perfection-all-the-time EDIT: I'm sorry Crab Helmet but you're a little bit judgmental! I see you post and quite frankly, I really don't agree with you sometimes. Yet, I post and you always ask for proof on something. IT DOESN'T MATTER!! It's an opinion!! This is the other part. Nothing personnal. (It was an edit) Read the other part of my post. It's an edit too. I quit... I surrender... You win... See? This is what I was talking about in my PM. If you're going to say something, understand why you're saying it and use that to support your view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Dinosaur Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Anyone who wants this card to be Limited or Semi-Limited sucks at making banlists. We don't want THIS card to be Limited or Semi-limited' date=' we want Second Coin Toss to be .... whatever I said before.[/quote'] Is that so? I say Limited/Semi-Limited 'cause its not that bad that it needs to be at 0' date=' but its a little strong to be at 3. I mean, that like having a 50/50 shot a a pot of greed... I know its slim, but odds are that if you run 2, you get 1 pot of greed every duel, but odds don't work that way....so you could get up to 6 draws, or as little as your opponent drawing 6 cards... Its risky, but it has a big outcome. Limited/Semi[/quote'] Cup of Ace should be limited. Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd Cup of Ace should be limited. You said it! Or maybe Semi'd That would be fine. Pardon my poor reading comprehension' date=' but it sure looks to me like you guys want this card to be [semi']Limited. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, or maybe you're speaking a language other than English, but that would be my interpretation of what has been said so far. Also, anyone who wants Second Coin Toss to be [semi]Limited sucks at making banlists too. Well excuse me Mr. Perfection-all-the-time EDIT: I'm sorry Crab Helmet but you're a little bit judgmental! I see you post and quite frankly, I really don't agree with you sometimes. Yet, I post and you always ask for proof on something. IT DOESN'T MATTER!! It's an opinion!! This is the other part. Nothing personnal. (It was an edit) Read the other part of my post. It's an edit too. I quit... I surrender... You win... See? This is what I was talking about in my PM. If you're going to say something, understand why you're saying it and use that to support your view. okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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