jar o works deckout wtf

[tonisanoob]

ok this can be legal as it causes an infinite loop thus, cant be done

 

so either how do u stop it or tell me rulings as to why its legal

[ender4449]

got a link to the used cards/deck construction?

[tonisanoob]

there is plenty on the deck bit of the forum

[「tea.leaf」]

You mean the Jar/Worm Mill OTK?

 

Loops caused by Game Mechanics

 

If an infinite loop is caused because of game mechanics and not by a player's voluntary card play' date=' "Pole Position" will be destroyed. When "Pole Position" is destroyed in this way, no monster on the field is destroyed by the effect of "Pole Position". [/quote']

It would be reasonable to assume this ruling will apply to All-Out Attacks (a vital card in this OTK) as well, after your opponent has decked out.

[tonisanoob]

aaah righ tso you voulentarily activated it it mills your opponent then after the usefulness has run out all ot attacks gets destroyed?

[Tekken Ham]

No, because the card causing the loop blows itself up when it realises it's a loop, since this loop does something (deckout) the loop doesn't register until the deckout is finished.

[tonisanoob]

ah i see

 

is this official rulings?

[Tekken Ham]

Ya, UDE judge said so, he was real vague, took me like 10 funking minutes of Pole Position rulings reading to figure it out.

[tonisanoob]

ouch i see well thanks chessy ^_^

[tonisanoob]

sorry for double post

 

is says on pole positions ruling that its perstroyed via game mechanics, but if it causses and infinite loop you cant activate it, but the point is you know it causes an infinate loop otherwise thee would be no point in the move

 

so it cause a loop because of mechanics thus its destroyed, but you cant activate it thus, what the hell???

 

we need crab helmet here :(

[Tekken Ham]

Poison Mummy works better because he doesn't loop forever. He wins in the loop. As long as the loop is changing the game it is legal, when it becomes redundant, it stops and the card causing the loop is destroyed. That's why Poison Mummy is so much better. People can't ruleshark as much.

[tonisanoob]

aaaaah see that explains a bit better

 

so as long as its dooing somthing yoyr fine but with the pole position rules it just sticks the game in a really weird position, thus its destroyed, but decking your opponent out its actualyl dooing somthing thus it can be done :)

 

but assoon as it stops dooing somthing it gets destroyed

 

ok i think i have the concept now :)

[pizzaman]

Small question.

 

Assuming you start an infinite loop but you also have Raigeki Break set, technically the loop will be stoppable at your own will, right?

 

If so, what the heck happens?

[「tea.leaf」]

You call how many times you repeat, and then chain Raigeki Break when you want to to destroy it. Although, I must say that's a bloody waste of a card, because the game mechanics will automatically destroy the card that is causing the infinite loop to meaninglessly repeat, which is what occurs when you deck out your opponent with Needle Worm.

[JesusofChaos™]

everything said he is correct, infinite loops caused by a voulntary card play are illegal, this loop is cause by game mechanics, the loop is not deemed to be 'evil' until the person has decked out at that point all out attacks is destroyed

[NeoPaladin2008]

or until you hit 2 worms.

[JesusofChaos™]

if ur running 2 worms ur doing it wrong

[tonisanoob]

i would say you want 3 monsters

 

1 jar

1 worm

1 dmoc

[JesusofChaos™]

^so close

[RacecaR]

Please post the img link next time. :/

[tonisanoob]

so just a jar and a worM

 

see i was thinking you turbo it and use reasoning and if you go past a book of boon you reasoninged into dmoc to bring it back

[Exiro]

Please post the img link next time. :/

 

img /=/ link.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

WTF is this topic about!?

[JesusofChaos™]

^ Tonis being a noob not knowing how morphing jar, worm otk works

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Never heard of it. Explain plz.