Who do you think is more evil...??

[Black Rose Phoenix®]

^ Same...

 

Out of Marik, Yubel, Sartorius and Dart's, who is it...??

 

Marik: He was taken over by the spirit of the mellenium rod.

 

Yubel: Was ditched by Jaden, got angry and tried to destroy the world.

 

Sartorius Kumar: Was taken over by the society of light, couldn't control himself, wen't beserk basicly...¬_¬

 

Dart's: Felt like being evil cas the pharoh did summit that he thought was evil (even though Dart's thought he was good for trying to destroy the world...idiot...[ i repeat...¬_¬])

 

Reply your answer please.

 

I think that they've all had the moments when they are just as stup...oh i mean evil as each other, but manely Dart's... lol

[Zexaeon]

Dude, Marik is easily the most evil on that list. Yubel was little more than an obsessed (and scorned) lover gone mad, and Saiou was just...batsh!t insane for a while.

 

>_> I notice there is no Bakura on this list? He's more vil than any of 'em. Saiou had a good side. Yubel simmered down once reunited with her precious Judai. Marik had a good half. Sure, Bakura had a good half, but it was barely worth mentioning. On top of that, none of the other villains were horrifyingly evil in their pat life like he was.

 

He was also a bit more sadistic.

[Black Rose Phoenix®]

Yeah, well bakura is like well easy to defeat, i could well easily beat him, his favourite card is banned anyway...lol. Also Yubel is just a card, it's kinda sad actualy...what yu-gi-oh card would destroy the world, cas one 13 year old hasn't seen it in year's...

[Zexaeon]

xD Well, bearing in mind that GX, nothing is just a card. They're spirits, and she's a mean, mean spirit. Spirits can destroy things last I checked. ._. And he isn't 13.

 

I dunno - I'd be pretty upset if someone pledged their eternal love to me and then ditched me.

 

And as for Bakura, he stopped using Change Of Heart after their first encounter with him. I'm talking about all the evil things he does outside of dueling...I mean, look at Thief King Bakura.

[Exiro]

Well, Darts was the only one who was evil by himself, the rest was possessed by something.

So my vote goes to him.

[Aelsthla-Mental]

Despite all that has been said, i have to go for Dartz.

 

Why? Because, while he thinks what he did was 'good', what he did was still... well, evil i guess.

 

He orchestrated the complete annihilation of three people's lives to turn them bitter to the world and become his minions. He kills his wife (albeit in self-defense). He kills the rest of his family just because they help his enemy a bit. Also the small matter of all the souls he nabbed.

 

Last, but not least. He is the leader of an organization. What is more evil then leading an organization?

Edit: Oops, didn't see you there Exiro :). Oh, an i would like to point out that Dartz might possibly have been possessed by the orichalcos, remember the green eye?

[Zexaeon]

>.> Marik lead the Ghouls...killed his father, considered killing Rishid, tried to kill Ishizu....killed many people, actually, with reckless abandon. His dark half was pure darkness, and he didn't once think he was doing the right thing.

 

To add to that, we don't see a lot of his life, but based on his nature, he likely killed many others as well. Not to mention he manipulated all of his mind slaves into believing they'd all get what they wanted if they served him, used them, and then threw them aside.

[Aelsthla-Mental]

The Rare Hunters... good point, but they were looking for cards, not souls (yes, they did try to take a few peoples, but only on few select people, Doma didn't care less)

[Zexaeon]

I edited my other post. Added more on Marik. =D

 

Additionally, the Ghouls themselves all used sadistic methods as well. Pandora used a disk that would cut the loser's legs off, The Light and Dark twins used a bomb that would make the losers fall to their deaths, evil!Jounochi's duel had an anchor that would drag the loser to the deapths of the sea, etc.

[Aelsthla-Mental]

Once again, all good points, it's fun to talk to you :D

 

Yes, he promised them riches, and then tossed them aside. But did he actually go out of his way to ruin their lives in the first place? He might of, but if he did, it was off-screen (heh, that's an idea for a fanfic...)

 

Yeah, he manipulated their minds with his rod, threw a few souls out. Then again, didn't Dartz do the same to Rafael?

 

No, before you even correct me, Rafael had already betrayed him. It was different.

 

Dartz was a smooth talker, he saw the bigger picture, as long as they got souls, he didn't care too much how they did, that doesn't make him more evil though, just more clever...

 

Hmm...

 

Marik also killed his Father, but he did it out of protection for his friend Odion.

 

Then he goes and tries to kill him to stop himself from becoming his 'good' side again.

 

Dartz though, he doesn't really give up does he? Even when the Leviathan is destroyed he attacked them.

 

Marik... well, he tried to repent (his 'good' side, anyway).

 

Ok, how about this. Marik wanted to rule the world, Dartz wanted it all gone (possibly to keep himself alive), i think that is a point for Dartz.

 

Wow, looking at all this... Marik really was evil wasn't he?

 

Meh, I dunno who to go for now, Marik or Dartz.

 

I'll keep on Dartz side for now, just so i can debate.

 

Edit: aahh yes, those rather sadistic methods, but Dartz of course had the Seal, which really was sadistic in itself.

 

Edit2: His dark half was pure evil... Lets consider that for a second.

 

He didn't kill Rishid, although he said he didn't want to be late, it just doesn't ring true, does it? Three seconds to stab and he didn't.

 

He toyed with the Pharoah, made the duel go long, and simply tortured Yugi.

 

Bad, yes. Then again Dartz put Yugi, Mai, Joey and Pegasus into the mirror Knights, and tormented Yami, even as 'friendship' saved the mirror knights from destruction.

 

Although, Marik used his good side as a hostage to prevent Yami from winning...

[Lucas Maximus]

>.> Marik lead the Ghouls...killed his father' date=' considered killing Rishid, tried to kill Ishizu....killed many people, actually, with reckless abandon. His dark half was pure darkness, and he didn't once think he was doing the right thing.

 

To add to that, we don't see a lot of his life, but based on his nature, he likely killed many others as well. Not to mention he manipulated all of his mind slaves into believing they'd all get what they wanted if they served him, used them, and then threw them aside.

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[Aelsthla-Mental]

Marik killed many yes, but did he ever start a war, most likely killing thousands, tens of thousands, MILLIONS!?

 

First the Monster war, then how Kaiba said that Paradisia funded many groups so they could go to war.

[Zexaeon]

Marik wasn't alive long enough to start a war. =D Dartz does have the advantage of having lived longer than Marik.

 

Marik's Dark Side surfaced in response to protecting Rishid, but he actually killed his father for the sake of himself rather than Rishid. And yeah, he said he'd be late, and I suspect he was anxious to get his duel done with and decided he could get Rishid later - it could have also been his good half holding him back a little.

 

A lot of Marik's life is never shown, so we never get tho full picture on his deeds - we just know he stayed dark for a looong time before Rishid managed to put him back under wraps, only to have him resurface during Battle City.

 

Another good one is his love for destruction - he tore apart Noah's control consul during the Virtual World arc just because he felt like it and was getting bored. Also, he has to take a moment and enjoy his enemy's despair. He prolongues duels, puts sadistic conditions on them (such as losing pieces of their bodies, or losing memories, making thme experience excruciating pain at the hands of Ra.)

 

Yugi and Jounochi both defended Mai when she was getting attacked by Ra - so, since Marik hadn't gotten her to feel THAT pain, he instead decided to imprison her mind. I mean, there was no real reason why he did that, it wasn't even one of the duel conditions, he just did it because he wanted to. She'd even die if she couldn't be freed within the time limit.

[Aelsthla-Mental]

Marik didn't live as long, true, aahh well.

 

He killed his father for the sake of it yes, but you have to remember all he had done to Marik as well. It was still evil, no denying it, but that somewhat lessens it to a degree.

 

I think his good side was holding him back, but of course there is no proof, so I'll skip that one.

 

When you think about it, neither of their lives were shown in GREAT detail.

 

Loving to destroy things isn't necessarily evil. You see little kids do it all the time. Destroying objects is a thug thing, not too evil really.

 

Loving his enemies despair, that IS evil. But was he REALLY that much of a prolonger?

 

Dartz prolonged the world's suffering for ten thousand years. Yes, Marik didn't have that time, but he seemed quite ready to take over then and now.

 

What he did to Mai, no defending it, that was truly evil, i guess he may have felt a bit cheated that she didn't suffer as much as he had hoped, but nope, that WAS EVIL.

[=aTaLiG=]

i vote marik that is the most evil!!

[╬「Selatcia」╬]

Dartz because he is almost impossible to defeat in a duel. I mean the three orichalcos cards give him a huge advantage alone. Then he has monsters with overpowering effects and really high ATK and DEF.

[Zexaeon]

Powerful cards is not a measure of evil.

[Davok]

Sigh... tsk, tsk. You cannot measure a person's evil without a straight concept of it's definition. Psychopaths are psychopaths, they aren't evil, they just don't share any empathy for fellow human beings. That's not evil. Having powerful cards certainly does not deduce the measure of evil. Killing lots of people isn't evil. It's psychopathic. Sure, most evil guys are psychopaths, but no psychopath in himself is evil. Also, having a `Dark' side does not necessarily mean that the certain person is evil. Demons are demons, they aren't evil. They just seem and `look' evil. A person can still have a good side and still be evil. The thing is, your confusing evil with psychopaths. Actually know what evil is before you state the measure of evil a person has. The word `Evil' is thrown around so much these days it makes me sick. Evil people aren't psychopaths, tacticians who take lives, demons, or any of the other things that you people have discussed about. They are all something more. More to describe definition. You can't even comprehend the true meaning of the word Evil.

 

But anyway, none of them are really evil. They're just run-of-the-mill villains.

 

~Lord Davok

The Master of Villains

[SebastiaanZ]

Marik is the absolute number 1, Yubel makes two and Sartorius three, fourth would be Dartz and fifth Bakura.

[Zexaeon]

Sigh... tsk' date=' tsk. You cannot measure a person's evil without a straight concept of it's definition. Psychopaths are psychopaths, they aren't evil, they just don't share any empathy for fellow human beings. That's not evil. Having powerful cards certainly does not deduce the measure of evil. Killing lots of people isn't evil. It's psychopathic. Sure, most evil guys are psychopaths, but no psychopath in himself is evil. Also, having a `Dark' side does not necessarily mean that the certain person is evil. Demons are demons, they aren't evil. They just seem and `look' evil. A person can still have a good side and still be evil. The thing is, your confusing evil with psychopaths. Actually [i']know[/i] what evil is before you state the measure of evil a person has. The word `Evil' is thrown around so much these days it makes me sick. Evil people aren't psychopaths, tacticians who take lives, demons, or any of the other things that you people have discussed about. They are all something more. More to describe definition. You can't even comprehend the true meaning of the word Evil.

 

But anyway, none of them are really evil. They're just run-of-the-mill villains.

 

~Lord Davok

The Master of Villains

 

While I appreciate the philosophical insight, I AM taking Marik's deeds into account to determine his nature - I come up with both being evil AND Psychopathic. Hurting others for the sake of hurting them is evil, and if taken to the proper extent, sociopathic. You can't dismiss all actions of such nature as psychopathic, as that would mean you're saying evil does not exist. What is evil to you? I did not characterize any of these people as evil based on appearance, or how they seem to other people. I did it based on the nature of their thought pattern, something pretty well explored in the anime.

 

If you're going to tell me that someone like Marik was not evil, I'm going to have to tell you that it is ridiculous.

 

And yes, when it comes down to it, they're all run of the mill villains. It's an anime. Stop over-analyzing it.

[HelioSpark]

Sartorius or Dartz......I can't decide