Красивая Ведьма Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 In the holy trinity found in most cultures (not just Christianity) there is the father, the son, and the Holy Ghost. In Christianity the father is God, the son Jesus, but the holy spirit is nameless. In the Bible it speaks of a Goddess named Sophia or Wisdom who turns her back on humanity for turning its back on her. Many think this is the Holy Spirit. In the holy trinity the forms of god are the creator, the preserver, and the destroyer. The Father embodies the creator. The Son embodies the Fathers creation as the preserver. The Holy Spirit or Sophia embodies the destruction of the creation so it may be created again. Just keep this in mind destroying is not evil it is necessary to create the old is destroyed so the new can come. The ages change. So you see the Holy Spirit is more of an aspect of change than anything else and is necessary. So what is your opinion on the Trinity, Sophia, or anything else that has been stated you are free to disagree, but if you do please tell me I am very interested to hear your ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Honestly I dont think any of it's real :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Angel Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 In the Bible it speaks of a Goddess named Sophia or Wisdom who turns her back on humanity for turning its back on her. Many think this is the Holy Spirit. where?? iv read through it all and He was never named.. and yes, the Holy Spirit is a He, because Christ and Yahweh are He. they are indeed One and the Same. Im going to be gone this week, so if you wanna continue this PM me and il get back the 14th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 The story of this "other holy spirit" is among many with origin before written history. The same goes for the story of the preserver and creator as you mentioned, but I will not go into the "creator", as its role and name change but once through history, between God and Brahma, a Judging creator, and an embodiment of all things. (though god is more like a Brahman, note the "n" at the end of Brahman, making it different from Brahma; "The Whole") Brahman is the Hindu "creator." Well, Shiva/The Holy Ghost, as you tell it, the destroyers in Christanity/Hinduism, are basically the same, and must stem from one story. Now, you might say that its probable that two different cultures created the same story, sort of a destroyer, but then I say look at that of the preserver. Jesus had 12 disciples, was born on the 25, killed, buried three days and rose from the dead. Krishna was killed, buried 3 days and was reborn from the dead. Dionysus was born on the 25th. Horus (Old Egyptian Sun God) died and after 3 days, rose from the dead, ON THE 25th. The 25th of December is THREE DAYS after the winter Equanox, when the sun is lowest set in the sky and the fewest daylight hours are given to the northern hemisphere. There are at least 80 different historic/religious figures who follow a very similar sequence of events in their lives. Now after all that, stories highly similar to that of Jesus, you would think that there is a stem from which the story of the Universe came to exist. Since we cannot determine this, we move on, only to see that, hey guys, this story is so similar throughout time that it must all be retellings of some story from the far past, making our religions either rip offs of this story, if the story is real, but since the people back then were not as advanced as we are now, we should probably be able to figure out that the entire thing was a facade. FACADE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephkaaa Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 The holy spirit is just another thing adult put into your mind and want u to belevie in , religon is an explanation to how the universe is created basically made and if u beleive that I am sorry if I hurt ur feeling in anyway.I belive that there is no heven, only hell and I will go there and be happy with it, I mean life is proboly worse then hell itself.Once again I would like to apologise is this has hurt your fellings in any way, It is just what I belevie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 The holy spirit is just another thing adult put into your mind and want u to belevie in ' date=' religon is an explanation to how the universe is created basically made and if u beleive that I am sorry if I hurt ur feeling in anyway.I belive that there is no heven, only hell and I will go there and be happy with it, I mean life is proboly worse then hell itself.Once again I would like to apologise is this has hurt your fellings in any way, It is just what I belevie.[/quote'] You're a goofy mother*****r. I will say that. Haha lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephkaaa Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 LIsten though everyone I know will go to hell, cause in the bilble go wants u to be pure and commit no sins i'm only 14 and proboly did 1 already and no one can really know untill the actually die so I belive what I want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Lol, Bible holds no truth. There is no hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sick4u Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Lol' date=' Bible holds no truth. There is no hell.[/quote']To true.I saw a poster one day.Simply said:"I got in trouble for walking into Rivers and putting the bible in the fiction section."The bible is a tool of faith.Atheism and science is a tool of evidence.What wins?Evidence or faith?Anyone who actually answers that wrong is retarded.2sick~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Here is the basic thoughts I have on this; No the bible isn't truthful. The bible has potential to be truthful, but then they get all funking whacked out. Yeah, okay, it rained so long that the earth overflowed with water. That makes a lot of sense. Oh yeah, and David killed a giant with a sling-shot. Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings but this is what the bible is; the bible gives people a reason to live. It gives some people a meaning for life. And it is an explanation for the creation of the world. It is actually VERY healthy to have religion in your life. It gives you something to believe in. But honestly, I've never been blinded from the truth, so I'm not going to believe in this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Красивая Ведьма Posted July 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I study multiple religions and I believe they have multiple elements of truth. The holy spirits gender was never stated. The website below tells the areas in the bible that speak of Sophia who is the Holy Spirit. http://www.greaterthings.com/MormonGoddess/god_the_mother_in_Bible.htm In the trinity they are all one in the same but can take a feminine form as the Holy Spirit. God is genderless but can become any form it wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Angel Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Lol' date=' Bible holds no truth. There is no hell.[/quote']To true.I saw a poster one day.Simply said:"I got in trouble for walking into Rivers and putting the bible in the fiction section."The bible is a tool of faith.Atheism and science is a tool of evidence.What wins?Evidence or faith?Anyone who actually answers that wrong is retarded.2sick~ faith is evidence: Hebrews 11:1"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sick4u Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Lol' date=' Bible holds no truth. There is no hell.[/quote']To true.I saw a poster one day.Simply said:"I got in trouble for walking into Rivers and putting the bible in the fiction section."The bible is a tool of faith.Atheism and science is a tool of evidence.What wins?Evidence or faith?Anyone who actually answers that wrong is retarded.2sick~ faith is evidence: Hebrews 11:1"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen."You know, with so many translations of the bible, most scriptures aren't even close to the original."Evidence" could also be "Reassurance." Or "Guarantee."Oh, and, what kind of evidence would that be anyway?"Evidence" of things unseen?So faith=Future. Which is what it's saying.Not evidence.Just faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Angel Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 how would you kno that there is a building? or a painting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 how would you kno that there is a building? or a painting? Stop now, the argument you are about to use is cliched, and completely wrong. Just because "someone else" decided what a "building" is and a "painting" is does not mean that when we all decide what a "god" is, that it exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Meh I'm starting to believe there is a god again. It's just that he hates me. I believe that the bible would interpret hell as living without belief. Which really it is in a way. Lol my whole life has sucked balls hard and I never believed in him. I'll probably end up converting into a christian who doesn't go to church; but just believes in god to have a stab at an attempt of making my life better :|. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Angel Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 well, we know that the building exists because it didnt just appear one day. we kno that the painting exists because it didnt just show up one day. there had to be a Builder and a Painter. Now this is how i can kno that there is a God, we are here. Creation screams that a God has made it. the fact that nothing came out of nothing is just much more hard to decide to believe than Someone making everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Meh I'm starting to believe there is a god again. It's just that he hates me. I believe that the bible would interpret hell as living without belief. Which really it is in a way. Lol my whole life has sucked balls hard and I never believed in him. I'll probably end up converting into a christian who doesn't go to church; but just believes in god to have a stab at an attempt of making my life better :|. Why? Can't handle the reality of reality? Does meaninglessness really hurt? Really? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Angel Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Meh I'm starting to believe there is a god again. It's just that he hates me. I believe that the bible would interpret hell as living without belief. Which really it is in a way. Lol my whole life has sucked balls hard and I never believed in him. I'll probably end up converting into a christian who doesn't go to church; but just believes in god to have a stab at an attempt of making my life better :|. well, in a sence you are correct: Hell is the torture and wrath of God. the main torture of hell is that the presencde of God is not there. We live in a world and there are many people who live without the presence of God, in a sence they are in a minor sence of hell. But this is not hell. hell is the second death, it is judgement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 well' date=' we know that the building exists because it didnt just appear one day. we kno that the painting exists because it didnt just show up one day. there had to be a Builder and a Painter. Now this is how i can kno that there is a God, we are here. Creation screams that a God has made it. the fact that nothing came out of nothing is just much more hard to decide to believe than Someone making everything[/quote'] Evolution. The Big Bang. Physics has more proof than god ever will. The universe is absent of time, it is just the energy that manifests it that inhibits such ideas of "creation" and "destruction" and "preservation". The men of old were too unaware of what we know now to completely determine the nature of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Angel Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 I study multiple religions and I believe they have multiple elements of truth. The holy spirits gender was never stated. The website below tells the areas in the bible that speak of Sophia who is the Holy Spirit. http://www.greaterthings.com/MormonGoddess/god_the_mother_in_Bible.htm In the trinity they are all one in the same but can take a feminine form as the Holy Spirit. God is genderless but can become any form it wishes. this speaks of wisdom crying out, that says nothing of a third part of the Trinity as a female Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Angel Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 heres a question that no one can seem to answer: What started the Big Bang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Meh I'm starting to believe there is a god again. It's just that he hates me. I believe that the bible would interpret hell as living without belief. Which really it is in a way. Lol my whole life has sucked balls hard and I never believed in him. I'll probably end up converting into a christian who doesn't go to church; but just believes in god to have a stab at an attempt of making my life better :|. well' date=' in a sence you are correct: Hell is the torture and wrath of God. the main torture of hell is that the presencde of God is not there. We live in a world and there are many people who live without the presence of God, in a sence they are in a minor sence of hell. But this is not hell. hell is the second death, it is judgement[/quote'] Hell doesn't scare me. If God is real; and the bible does hold truth about hell, I'm condemned to hell no matter if I convert. The only reason I could possess any envy of being a christian is because they always look so jolly and happy. My life is a timebomb. I always have these bitter thoughts and horrid ideas of what the world should be like. If anything I would convert to christianity just for the satisfaction of having something to believe in. God knows I have nothing to believe in right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 heres a question that no one can seem to answer: What started the Big Bang? The universe never began. It has always been there, it will always be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Angel Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Meh I'm starting to believe there is a god again. It's just that he hates me. I believe that the bible would interpret hell as living without belief. Which really it is in a way. Lol my whole life has sucked balls hard and I never believed in him. I'll probably end up converting into a christian who doesn't go to church; but just believes in god to have a stab at an attempt of making my life better :|. well' date=' in a sence you are correct: Hell is the torture and wrath of God. the main torture of hell is that the presencde of God is not there. We live in a world and there are many people who live without the presence of God, in a sence they are in a minor sence of hell. But this is not hell. hell is the second death, it is judgement[/quote'] Hell doesn't scare me. If God is real; and the bible does hold truth about hell, I'm condemned to hell no matter if I convert. The only reason I could possess any envy of being a christian is because they always look so jolly and happy. My life is a timebomb. I always have these bitter thoughts and horrid ideas of what the world should be like. If anything I would convert to christianity just for the satisfaction of having something to believe in. God knows I have nothing to believe in right now... Here are the words of the Christ of God: John 10:10"The thief comes only to steal, kill, and destroy; I have come that they may have life and life more abundantly." This speaks of Satan taking away all hope from all men across the world, but then opens up in saying that the Christ came to give us life and life much more abundantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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