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How did 2 gay people signing a piece of paper lead to talk of animal emotions?

 

Good point. As I've said earlier' date=' marriage is strictly a legal term. By discussing homosexual marriage, we are discussing the rights of homosexuals. Lol, look at me, talking about homosexuals as though they were a different species... The rights of HUMANS.

 

What do we do to cattle that are infected with disease? We destroy them so the disease dosen't spread.

 

This is assuming that homosexuality is, by nature, contagious. Using the cattle metaphor, heterosexuals would be white cows, and homosexuals would be roan cows. Neither is inherently evil, as your "disease" is.

 

The only rights gays/lesbians should have is right this way' date=' into the reformation camps to show them the error of their ways.[/quote']

 

Now you're talking as though humans have a choice in their sexual orientation. Given the discrimination against homosexuals in the world, no sentient, sane or not, would deliberately choose to be homosexual.

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I don't think you realize how discrimitory and offensive those remarks might be to some members of this forum. there are homosexuals here.

 

Indeed' date=' the sites top poster, declared best card maker, [u']one of the most nicest guys on here[/u], and a Super Moderator, aka myself, am gay, however i know there are special people out there with no tolerance, so i take no offence to his comments.

 

I second this.

 

Haven't talked to you in forever. Whats up?

 

Oh, and can you move the Free will topic in General to here Please? Would be great. :D

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I don't think you realize how discrimitory and offensive those remarks might be to some members of this forum. there are homosexuals here.

 

Indeed' date=' the sites top poster, declared best card maker, one of the most nicest guys on here, and a Super Moderator, aka myself, am gay, however i know there are special people out there with no tolerance, so i take no offence to his comments.

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I didn't know that...SWEET!!!

 

I myself am Bi

nice to know theres a guy who can admit these things :D

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I openly admit to anything' date=' im proud of who i am ^_^

 

A random Gay British Cyber-Gothic Dj with an elf nickname.

 

:)

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lol sweet

I also wish I lived around more Gay friendly places

I hate how the world looks at people like that differently...

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Im agenst it.

 

The way i look at it the people of the U.S are a herd of cattle.

 

The gays/lesbos/bi's are the cattle that are infected with diseases.

 

What do we do to cattle that are infected with disease? We destroy them so the disease dosen't spread.

 

I beleive that gays/lesbians/bis should be removed from society by any means.

 

Nothing good can come from them. Humans are like animals. Animals are ment to reproduce to keep the species alive. I don't think gay/lebians can keep their species alive.

 

The only rights gays/lesbians should have is right this way' date=' into the reformation camps to show them the error of their ways.

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What if you were homosexual? Would you let me exterminate you from the face of the earth?

 

I dont really support it, but I tolerate it.. You are just a sick individual who has little to no reason for existance.

 

To Dj, for a second, it seemed that you had a big head there for a second, if you catch my drift.

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Im agenst it.

 

The way i look at it the people of the U.S are a herd of cattle.

 

The gays/lesbos/bi's are the cattle that are infected with diseases.

 

What do we do to cattle that are infected with disease? We destroy them so the disease dosen't spread.

 

I beleive that gays/lesbians/bis should be removed from society by any means.

 

Nothing good can come from them. Humans are like animals. Animals are ment to reproduce to keep the species alive. I don't think gay/lebians can keep their species alive.

 

The only rights gays/lesbians should have is right this way' date=' into the reformation camps to show them the error of their ways.

[/quote']

 

What if you were homosexual? Would you let me exterminate you from the face of the earth?

 

I dont really support it, but I tolerate it.. You are just a sick individual who has little to no reason for existance.

 

To Dj, for a second, it seemed that you had a big head there for a second, if you catch my drift.

 

...wow thats uh...pretty graphic there...(joshing)

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Im agenst it.

 

The way i look at it the people of the U.S are a herd of cattle.

 

The gays/lesbos/bi's are the cattle that are infected with diseases.

 

What do we do to cattle that are infected with disease? We destroy them so the disease dosen't spread.

 

I beleive that gays/lesbians/bis should be removed from society by any means.

 

Nothing good can come from them. Humans are like animals. Animals are ment to reproduce to keep the species alive. I don't think gay/lebians can keep their species alive.

 

The only rights gays/lesbians should have is right this way' date=' into the reformation camps to show them the error of their ways.

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There are too many people. We should kill heterosexuals who WANT KIDS so we can fix the population.

 

Its not like the government wouldn't sterilize the water supply anyway.

 

And Willie, if Animals don't have free will, then how do we have it? We are influenced by our drives and emotions as much as they are influence by instinct. They don't have emotion, they are not complex enough enough to create a higher being and have faith in it, they do not feel joy, they just feel this impulse to protect their young. It might create a comforting feeling to do so, but it is not an "emotion".

 

The discussion of free will should be moved to the free will topic, currently in General, but will soon be moved to debates.

 

By the first statement did you mean kill all heterosexuals that want to bear a child; because that would end the Human race. What we should really do is just not allow Gay couples to adopt and leave them be. That would be fine with me.

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Indeed' date=' the sites top poster, declared best card maker, one of the most nicest guys on here, and a Super Moderator, aka myself, am gay, however i know there are special people out there with no tolerance, so i take no offence to his comments.

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I was refering to this.

 

By the first statement did you mean kill all heterosexuals that want to bear a child; because that would end the Human race. What we should really do is just not allow Gay couples to adopt and leave them be. That would be fine with me.

 

Insensitive much?

 

By saying this, I believe that you were implying that homosexuals should not be able to adopt children, due to just being homosexual?

 

Adopting chlidren is what we need in this world.

 

Can you look at the world from a different view other than your small minded window that you look through?

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I don't think you realize how discrimitory and offensive those remarks might be to some members of this forum. there are homosexuals here.

 

Indeed' date=' the sites top poster, [s']declared best card maker[/s],declared one of the best card makers, one of the most nicest guys on here, and a Super Moderator, aka myself, am gay, however i know there are special people out there with no tolerance, so i take no offence to his comments.

 

there,

fixed ^_^

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Indeed' date=' the sites top poster, declared best card maker, one of the most nicest guys on here, and a Super Moderator, aka myself, am gay, however i know there are special people out there with no tolerance, so i take no offence to his comments.

[/quote']

 

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I was refering to this.

 

By the first statement did you mean kill all heterosexuals that want to bear a child; because that would end the Human race. What we should really do is just not allow Gay couples to adopt and leave them be. That would be fine with me.

 

Insensitive much?

 

By saying this' date=' I believe that you were implying that homosexuals should not be able to adopt children, due to just being homosexual?

 

Adopting chlidren is what we need in this world.

 

Can you look at the world from a different view other than your small minded window that you look through?

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If you would take into context what I am saying, rather than just looking to it as a discriminatory comment. What I am saying is that they shouldn't adopt for the benefit of the child. They would probably get made fun of in school; not to mention the fact that if they turned homosexual they would have to deal with all the problems that their parents deal with in society. I personally wouldn't want that for a child. So really the way I look at it isnt 1 sided or narrow-minded at all; but rather thinking about the children's sake.

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in the constitution: All men are created equal.

really? because last time I checked there are people that are treated unfairly for being different.

wait... if all men are created equal... there wouldn't be any differences, meaning all men are equal and there is no such thing as being different, meaning people are being treated unfairly for absolutely NO reason.

 

wow, I confused myself there for a second...

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in the constitution: All men are created equal.

really? because last time I checked there are people that are treated unfairly for being different.

wait... if all men are created equal... there wouldn't be any differences' date=' meaning all men are equal and there is no such thing as being different, meaning people are being treated unfairly for absolutely NO reason.

 

wow, I confused myself there for a second...

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That line of the constitution refers to races; not sexual preferences (not that it couldn't apply to that as well).

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in the constitution: All men are created equal.

really? because last time I checked there are people that are treated unfairly for being different.

wait... if all men are created equal... there wouldn't be any differences' date=' meaning all men are equal and there is no such thing as being different, meaning people are being treated unfairly for absolutely NO reason.

 

wow, I confused myself there for a second...

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That line of the constitution refers to races; not sexual preferences (not that it couldn't apply to that as well).

 

well

MJ is white, and he is treated a white man (you know its true, dont try and chagnge it around)

 

so why wouldnt that part of the constitution apply to sexual prefernce, hmm?

and it does not specifically say, that it is only subject to race -.-"

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in the constitution: All men are created equal.

really? because last time I checked there are people that are treated unfairly for being different.

wait... if all men are created equal... there wouldn't be any differences' date=' meaning all men are equal and there is no such thing as being different, meaning people are being treated unfairly for absolutely NO reason.

 

wow, I confused myself there for a second...

[/quote']

 

That line of the constitution refers to races; not sexual preferences (not that it couldn't apply to that as well).

 

well

MJ is white, and he is treated a white man (you know its true, dont try and chagnge it around)

 

so why wouldnt that part of the constitution apply to sexual prefernce, hmm?

and it does not specifically say, that it is only subject to race -.-"

Wow someone didn't read my entire post. I said NOT THAT IT COULDN'T APPLY TO SEXUAL PREFERENCES AS WELL.

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in the constitution: All men are created equal.

really? because last time I checked there are people that are treated unfairly for being different.

wait... if all men are created equal... there wouldn't be any differences' date=' meaning all men are equal and there is no such thing as being different, meaning people are being treated unfairly for absolutely NO reason.

 

wow, I confused myself there for a second...

[/quote']

 

That line of the constitution refers to races; not sexual preferences (not that it couldn't apply to that as well).

 

well

MJ is white, and he is treated a white man (you know its true, dont try and chagnge it around)

 

so why wouldnt that part of the constitution apply to sexual prefernce, hmm?

and it does not specifically say, that it is only subject to race -.-"

Wow someone didn't read my entire post. I said NOT THAT IT COULDN'T APPLY TO SEXUAL PREFERENCES AS WELL.

 

hehe

it look it looked like could

i swear it said could -.-"

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other tasty topics:

 

1. do you want your kids to be gay?

2. do you want gay couples raising kids?

 

1. I am never having kids

 

2. I personally do not like the idea, i actually believe children should be raised with a mother + a father or one or the other.

 

3. How about not changing the actual topic ^_^

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Indeed' date=' the sites top poster, declared best card maker, one of the most nicest guys on here, and a Super Moderator, aka myself, am gay, however i know there are special people out there with no tolerance, so i take no offence to his comments.

[/quote']

 

^

I was refering to this.

 

By the first statement did you mean kill all heterosexuals that want to bear a child; because that would end the Human race. What we should really do is just not allow Gay couples to adopt and leave them be. That would be fine with me.

 

Insensitive much?

 

By saying this' date=' I believe that you were implying that homosexuals should not be able to adopt children, due to just being homosexual?

 

Adopting chlidren is what we need in this world.

 

Can you look at the world from a different view other than your small minded window that you look through?

[/quote']

 

 

If you would take into context what I am saying, rather than just looking to it as a discriminatory comment. What I am saying is that they shouldn't adopt for the benefit of the child. They would probably get made fun of in school; not to mention the fact that if they turned homosexual they would have to deal with all the problems that their parents deal with in society. I personally wouldn't want that for a child. So really the way I look at it isnt 1 sided or narrow-minded at all; but rather thinking about the children's sake.

 

Still, your narrow minded views make me pity you. Seeing as that the more homosexuals there are in this world, the more accepting the world is for them?

 

And you think that the homosexual parents of their adopted children create problems in today's society?

 

Wow.. you are a fool..

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other tasty topics:

 

1. do you want your kids to be gay?

2. do you want gay couples raising kids?

 

1. I am never having kids

 

2. I personally do not like the idea' date=' i actually believe children should be raised with a mother + a father or one or the other.

 

3. How about not changing the actual topic ^_^

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I might have kids, but I agree with DJ on the second part. Really I wouldn't care if my child is a homosexual, I would just rather the child have a normal childhood.

 

Indeed' date=' the sites top poster, declared best card maker, one of the most nicest guys on here, and a Super Moderator, aka myself, am gay, however i know there are special people out there with no tolerance, so i take no offence to his comments.

[/quote']

 

^

I was refering to this.

 

By the first statement did you mean kill all heterosexuals that want to bear a child; because that would end the Human race. What we should really do is just not allow Gay couples to adopt and leave them be. That would be fine with me.

 

Insensitive much?

 

By saying this' date=' I believe that you were implying that homosexuals should not be able to adopt children, due to just being homosexual?

 

Adopting chlidren is what we need in this world.

 

Can you look at the world from a different view other than your small minded window that you look through?

[/quote']

 

 

If you would take into context what I am saying, rather than just looking to it as a discriminatory comment. What I am saying is that they shouldn't adopt for the benefit of the child. They would probably get made fun of in school; not to mention the fact that if they turned homosexual they would have to deal with all the problems that their parents deal with in society. I personally wouldn't want that for a child. So really the way I look at it isnt 1 sided or narrow-minded at all; but rather thinking about the children's sake.

 

Still, your narrow minded views make me pity you. Seeing as that the more homosexuals there are in this world, the more accepting the world is for them?

 

And you think that the homosexual parents of their adopted children create problems in today's society?

 

Wow.. you are a fool..

 

No. If you would actually pay attention to the point I'm trying to get across. I think DJ said pretty much the same thing I'm saying; I dont care if a homosexual couple gets married, I would just perfer that the child have a normal childhood with a mother and a father. With 2 of either one rather than 1 of each, the relationship wouldn't be the same.

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other tasty topics:

 

1. do you want your kids to be gay?

2. do you want gay couples raising kids?

 

1. I am never having kids

 

2. I personally do not like the idea' date=' i actually believe children should be raised with a mother + a father or one or the other.

 

3. How about not changing the actual topic ^_^

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how about locking thread if you want to change the topic

why change the topic?

the thread is this topic, not that topic.

therefore that topic must go in that thread

duh

-.-"

 

 

lulz ^_^

 

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the topics i mentioned are actually quite relevant.

 

another SO related topic

gay = cool with jesus?

gay = cool with buddha?

gay = cool with allah?

 

and obv im just asking...

 

edit:

 

i heard an interesting idea the other day and it was this:

 

there could be a distinction between "marriage" in the sense of a church granting "marriage" vs the state granting a civil union for tax purposes etc.

 

should the state get out of the "marriage" business and simply declare whether or not two people can have a civil union for tax purposes?

 

then churches could decide whether or not they choose to "marry" couples and so forth. thus the religous connotation associated with marriage (in the minds of most) can be avoided/removed from the debate and thus Christians etc. dont have to be convinced/convince them selves/w/e that same sex marriage is church approved.

 

i believe a big issue for many is the idea that marriage has a religious kind of vibe to it and many dont think "god" approves of same sex relationships. thus if the state were to rename the union, i feel that some at least who oppose would probably not really care anymore.

 

doesnt the judge talk about god during the "marriage" ceremony that he performs?

 

however even if the state were to remove god from the union in judicial marriage ceremonies (and we havent talked about sea captians!! lol they can marry people!!) many would see this as another example of how the separation of church and state idea has robbed the country of its soul be being so rigidly interpreted that the country as a whole is losing its christian fundamentals.

 

and if you say that so what if the country loses christian fundamentals, most other LARGE religions (juddaism, islam to name two), i believe have similar tones if not outright declarations of same sex relations as sinful. thus even if the country's christian background and foundation can be lost in your opinion, the uprising other religions (apart from IMO tha wierdz like scientology, caballah, satanisms etc) really dont approve of same sex relations in strict policy.

 

atheists generally approve of gay marraige.

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