Willieh Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I don't get why anybody even debates about gay marriage. It's not really important >_>. If they want to get married who cares. Marriage is just a document. :| They shouldn't be allowed to adopt though. Neither should straight people who believe in imaginary Deities.Religion is an everyday part of life for the majority of people. It is a small percentage of people who is homosexual. There is a vast difference. Democracy works so that the majority can take the rights of the minority. Democracy is fallacy in justification of anything. Regardless of the number of people' date=' the fact of the matter is that you are denying people the right to raise children. A single death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. Numbers and percents, in terms of human rights (and disasters) are irrelevant.[/quote']As I've already stated, allowing homosexuals to raise children is an injustice to the child. Besides, homosexuals already have every single right that heterosexuals have. They have the right to marry somebody of the opposite sex. Bringing up the whole thing about statistics and death was pointless. Meaningless information when applied to this topic. What you need to consider is that the minority is not taken into account as much as the majority. So for every homosexual that adopts a child, another person is bound to the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I don't get why anybody even debates about gay marriage. It's not really important >_>. If they want to get married who cares. Marriage is just a document. :| They shouldn't be allowed to adopt though. Neither should straight people who believe in imaginary Deities.Religion is an everyday part of life for the majority of people. It is a small percentage of people who is homosexual. There is a vast difference. Democracy works so that the majority can take the rights of the minority. Democracy is fallacy in justification of anything. Regardless of the number of people' date=' the fact of the matter is that you are denying people the right to raise children. A single death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. Numbers and percents, in terms of human rights (and disasters) are irrelevant.[/quote']As I've already stated, allowing homosexuals to raise children is an injustice to the child. Besides, homosexuals already have every single right that heterosexuals have. They have the right to marry somebody of the opposite sex. Bringing up the whole thing about statistics and death was pointless. Meaningless information when applied to this topic. What you need to consider is that the minority is not taken into account as much as the majority. So for every homosexual that adopts a child, another person is bound to the minority. I do not base my arguments of what SHOULD be on what is, I base it on what SHOULD be. Minority SHOULD be just as represented as majority, and my argument's ethic will be based on this, because saying that 90% of people matter more than 10% of people is blasphemous. The point of the "Irrelevant information" was not to base on death, which is the context of the quote, but to base on the philosophy of the quote, that numbers are irrelevant. 2 people are just as important as 10, and regardless of how different the two might be from the 10, they should be allowed to do whatever the 10 can. It matters not how the child could turn out, it is still their right to raise the child if they wish to if other couples are allowed to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I don't get why anybody even debates about gay marriage. It's not really important >_>. If they want to get married who cares. Marriage is just a document. :| They shouldn't be allowed to adopt though. Neither should straight people who believe in imaginary Deities.Religion is an everyday part of life for the majority of people. It is a small percentage of people who is homosexual. There is a vast difference. Democracy works so that the majority can take the rights of the minority. Democracy is fallacy in justification of anything. Regardless of the number of people' date=' the fact of the matter is that you are denying people the right to raise children. A single death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. Numbers and percents, in terms of human rights (and disasters) are irrelevant.[/quote']As I've already stated, allowing homosexuals to raise children is an injustice to the child. Besides, homosexuals already have every single right that heterosexuals have. They have the right to marry somebody of the opposite sex. Bringing up the whole thing about statistics and death was pointless. Meaningless information when applied to this topic. What you need to consider is that the minority is not taken into account as much as the majority. So for every homosexual that adopts a child, another person is bound to the minority. I do not base my arguments of what SHOULD be on what is, I base it on what SHOULD be. Minority SHOULD be just as represented as majority, and my argument's ethic will be based on this, because saying that 90% of people matter more than 10% of people is blasphemous. The point of the "Irrelevant information" was not to base on death, which is the context of the quote, but to base on the philosophy of the quote, that numbers are irrelevant. 2 people are just as important as 10, and regardless of how different the two might be from the 10, they should be allowed to do whatever the 10 can. It matters not how the child could turn out, it is still their right to raise the child if they wish to if other couples are allowed to do so.An argument based off of something that should be rather than is, is pointless. There are lots of things that should be, but there's a sheet load of things that are. 2 people are not just as important as 10 people. 10 people has a greater effect, making it more important. If someone's house catches on fire and kills 3 people, it will never be as much of a landmark in time as the world trade centers. Saying that if 2 people die, it's just as effective as 10 people dying makes no sense. The way we have to look at things is what affects more of the world, not just 1 individual's life. That 1 person is not as important as the 9 who could have been spared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Except not really. Peoples lives are only valuable to the people who use them for work, and themselves. However, the fact of the matter is that objective value does not exist, human life has no value. Mathematically, if we set this value to 0, then value * amount will always be equal to 0, no matter how many are involved. It is ethics that make us care about numbers, but logically, they mean nothing. ITT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Nothing is valuable. Things are only valuable because we make them valuable. The only reason gold is valuable is because we decided for it to be. Human life is something that is valuable to anyone who lives. Be it their own life, or the life of another. The way you look at things is too...complicated. More human life lost does mean worse. People determine that whichever one has the largest affect on the world is the one that means the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Nothing is valuable. Things are only valuable because we make them valuable. The only reason gold is valuable is because we decided for it to be. Human life is something that is valuable to anyone who lives. Be it their own life' date=' or the life of another. The way you look at things is too...complicated. More human life lost does mean worse. People determine that whichever one has the largest affect on the world is the one that means the most.[/quote'] That's Westernized thinking, Comrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiom_Nor Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Nothing is valuable. Things are only valuable because we make them valuable. The only reason gold is valuable is because we decided for it to be. Human life is something that is valuable to anyone who lives. Be it their own life' date=' or the life of another. The way you look at things is too...complicated. More human life lost does mean worse. People determine that whichever one has the largest affect on the world is the one that means the most.[/quote'] That's Westernized thinking, Comrade. Q4T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Nothing is valuable. Things are only valuable because we make them valuable. The only reason gold is valuable is because we decided for it to be. Human life is something that is valuable to anyone who lives. Be it their own life' date=' or the life of another. The way you look at things is too...complicated. More human life lost does mean worse. People determine that whichever one has the largest affect on the world is the one that means the most.[/quote'] That's Westernized thinking, Comrade. Sorry for not replying sooner. I only replied just now because I saw it was bumped XD. Thats the best way of thinking, Comrade. You can't go around feeling sorry for everybody. You have to care about the big things. They've got hollywood to cover all the little deaths. When something happens that changes the world, you can't be like "Oh that's bad, but look, these people were killed in a car accident, they need that much attention!" One life is not as important as three lives or millions of lives, or anything of that sort. You're always saying that lives are just statistics, so think about this. Is 9 greater than 2? :| Dying isn't a tragedy anyway. Dying is dying is dying. It's nothing. It's sad, but it's not a tragedy. It's a tragedy when millions have to die at the fault of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted August 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Nothing is valuable. Things are only valuable because we make them valuable. The only reason gold is valuable is because we decided for it to be. Human life is something that is valuable to anyone who lives. Be it their own life' date=' or the life of another. The way you look at things is too...complicated. More human life lost does mean worse. People determine that whichever one has the largest affect on the world is the one that means the most.[/quote'] That's Westernized thinking, Comrade. Sorry for not replying sooner. I only replied just now because I saw it was bumped XD. Thats the best way of thinking, Comrade. You can't go around feeling sorry for everybody. You have to care about the big things. They've got hollywood to cover all the little deaths. When something happens that changes the world, you can't be like "Oh that's bad, but look, these people were killed in a car accident, they need that much attention!" One life is not as important as three lives or millions of lives, or anything of that sort. You're always saying that lives are just statistics, so think about this. Is 9 greater than 2? :| Dying isn't a tragedy anyway. Dying is dying is dying. It's nothing. It's sad, but it's not a tragedy. It's a tragedy when millions have to die at the fault of war. Actually you should first consider that life your talking about, we you tell me that a death of 3 mad people is more important of the death of an amazing professor or thinker for example.. it's not the number of dead peopl that matters, it's what the death means ;) Anyway this is getting WAY Off-Topic just like any other debate =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 ^ Yes I will tell you that. One less amazing professor isn't sheet because there's another one somewhere else on the earth probably doing the same studies. :/ However I'm talking in the long run. Is 9/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted August 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 ^ Yes I will tell you that. One less amazing professor isn't s*** because there's another one somewhere else on the earth probably doing the same studies. :/ However I'm talking in the long run. Is 9/11 Technically if it's a president of a big country then yes =\ Anyway, even if there's some else out there we still got one less professor meaning less intelligent children and more dumb children =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 ^ children are never going to be smart in America unless they were born smart. Our Education system is a joke, and it's not even made for helping you learn. The education system of America is made to create little pawns of the U.S. Government. The education system wants us all to be liberals, don't believe me? If you live in America (i know you don't Altair) go up to your social studies teacher and ask her/him who should win the election and why. I will give you 1000 points if she's a woman and says McCain. I will give you 500 points if he's a man and says McCain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 I will agree to disagree on the issue of death. Certain genocide can be justified better than the assassination of certain individuals in my eyes. Westernized thinking is just Locke's hogwash and ethical anti-juxtaposition. (In other words, makes no sense philosophically to a proper, utopian point of view) Oh Willie, can I take you up on the point offer, but get extra points because I live in the second most liberal state in America? :P POINTS MATTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego Mix Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 its stupidi cant beleive Ellen DeGeneres is marrying a woman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernova513 Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 I have this to say...gay ppl want to get married so bad, have they been reading statistics? 1 in 2 marriages fail (end in divorce). Let them get married, they will find out soon enough that marriage isn't all its cracked up to be. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barsam Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 Same Sex Marriage is not Unatural infact you should not insult the people with their decisions SO What if they dont wanna marry the other sex so what they want to be gay or w/e being homosexual is alright to me. W/e maybe im Gay maybe im not IDC if im gay or not I care if people are fine with it. People want to do what they want to do ITS A FREE WORLD OK!? Free world of doing anything like Same Sex marriage Same sex sex or drugs Everyone keep this in your mind ITS A FREE WORLD,DO ANYTHING YOU WANT! But no crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucalion Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 Nothing wrong with same sex marriage. In fact, if you want to be entirely objective, it is probably better, as same sex marriages won't produce any new children, and therefore won't increase overpopulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SushiTheLegend Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 Same Sex Marriage FTW! Enough Said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barsam Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 Heh yea GO SAME SEX MARRIAGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davok Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 Nothing wrong with same sex marriage. In fact' date=' if you want to be entirely objective, it is probably better, as same sex marriages won't produce any new children, and therefore won't increase overpopulation.[/quote'] Quoted for truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 Same Sex Marriage is not Unatural infact you should not insult the people with their decisions SO What if they dont wanna marry the other sex so what they want to be gay or w/e being homosexual is alright to me. W/e maybe im Gay maybe im not IDC if im gay or not I care if people are fine with it. People want to do what they want to do ITS A FREE WORLD OK!? Free world of doing anything like Same Sex marriage Same sex sex or drugs Everyone keep this in your mind ITS A FREE WORLD' date='DO ANYTHING YOU WANT! But no crimes.[/quote'] Crimes defined by whom? The government, ethic, or the individual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 I support same sex marriage because the goverment should not be able to control who you can love/marry. It is not up to them. You will be married to that person until you die, so if you wanna marry someone of the same sex, why can't you? The government should not be able to meddle into your personal affairs and take control of your life. We, the people, should be able to control our lives and choose who we want to love/marry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidchaor Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 i don't care if people have gay marriage because it is not my decision but the person's decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze. Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Hard topic..... I'm against it, just for there sake..... its unnatural, a sin, just plain wrong, and they may get critisised or killed by crazy ppl..... just sayin..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxlord Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Hard topic..... I'm against it' date=' just for there sake..... its unnatural, a sin, just plain wrong, and they may get critisised or killed by crazy ppl..... just sayin.....[/quote'] Natural: Exists in nature...and Homophobia needs to be stricken from this planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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