So-ooo.... we're doomed?

[Willieh]

I didn't like John Kerry either..... I kind of liked Huckabee' date=' but he was just a little to conservative for my tastes...

 

and they are people, they are my friends.....I understand a lot more about Islam because of them. When practiced correctly, it is one of the most peaceful religions in the world. I sincerely doubt that most of the Muslims in america are extremists, because many came here to escape the violence.

[/quote']

 

Many is too strong of a word. Selective few would be a better phrase. Most come here to strike up violence.

[HelioSpark]

I have to respectfully disagree, find some evidence to support that and then I might believe it.

 

I know a few may come for violence, I'm not saying they don't, but I believe most come for a better life.

[VainZiler]

Wombat, if youtube wasn't a little... bah... cursed limitations of a childs forum. But if youtube wasn't a pain, I could show you many recordings of such.

 

Want a solution to the oil crisis? Tell the government to get off the asses of people who ARE trying to find the solution. The government has been stopping and stomping many in this country who've tried to find solutions. Why? Because oil is where the money is at, and last I checked, our puppet for this administration has his pockets in oil business.

 

Electric is truly the way to go, it's cheep, and with time, and grow to be powerfully effective.

 

As for 'green house gases' and 'global warming'. All I have to say is self interest much? The majority of people who actually care about these things, and try to get them out there and known, are people only looking out for themselves.

 

Not to mention, when you hold a world wide concert to 'raise awareness' of global warning, don't you think that's just damaging your own cause? *Looks in Gore's direction*

 

If such things existed, the only things it would effect are us and other living things. The planet itself will be just fine, it's been around through some crazy as hell sheet, I doubt we'll really do that much harm, if any.

[End Of The Abyss]

Here's a dumb thing. People around my town are raising a bridge. Though Global Warming would wipe out the town it connects to because of the low land level. That's sort of dumb.

[Willieh]

Wombat' date=' if youtube wasn't a little... bah... cursed limitations of a childs forum. But if youtube wasn't a pain, I could show you many recordings of such.

 

Want a solution to the oil crisis? Tell the government to get off the asses of people who ARE trying to find the solution. The government has been stopping and stomping many in this country who've tried to find solutions. Why? Because oil is where the money is at, and last I checked, our puppet for this administration has his pockets in oil business.

 

Electric is truly the way to go, it's cheep, and with time, and grow to be powerfully effective.

 

As for 'green house gases' and 'global warming'. All I have to say is self interest much? The majority of people who actually care about these things, and try to get them out there and known, are people only looking out for themselves.

 

Not to mention, when you hold a world wide concert to 'raise awareness' of global warning, don't you think that's just damaging your own cause? *Looks in Gore's direction*

 

If such things existed, the only things it would effect are us and other living things. The planet itself will be just fine, it's been around through some crazy as hell s***, I doubt we'll really do that much harm, if any.

[/quote']

The oil crisis solution is in the palms of our hands. But Congress refuses to roll up their sleeves and do a little mother****ing work. We have more shale oil in America than in all of the middle east; however we refuse to drill for it. Stupid environmentalists say "Oh no if you do that we'll loose some trees and a couple animals!!!". And people are saying we need to find a new alternative fuel.! The thing that most people fail to realise is that an alternative fuel isn't going to pop up out of no where. We need to make do with what we have before we chase something that we dont have. Sure an alternative fuel would be ideal, but it's not something that magically happens.

 

And I'm sick of hearing about global warming. The theory of global warming contains little to know truth. The world is never going to "end". The only thing that could possibly end is our species. I highly doubt that the world itself is ever going to blow up or freeze over again.

[VainZiler]

I completely agree, again more self interest groups getting in the way of progress. But you know as well as I do, they wont go away for a long time, so why not work on other solutions? There's a car that runs on electricity, the makers had it go 40 miles on a single charge, which cost a mere 89 cents for the to fully charge. Twice the government has given them cease and desist orders.

 

Hell, I've even found blue prints for a car that runs solely on water.

[HelioSpark]

the world itself IS going to freeze over again. they have proven that there is a cycle of 10,000 years of Ice age, and then 100,000 years of warm climate. we are currently nearing the end of a period of 100,000 years of warmness.

 

And how can you say that there is no substantial evidence for global warming...it all around us! You cannot deny that we are releaing A LOT of Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere. you CANNOT deny that more CO2 traps more heat in the atmosphere (greenhouse effect), and you cannot deny the sheer fact, that global temps have risen 3 degrees since 1950. Global warming is happening, there is no denying it.

[VainZiler]

the world itself IS going to freeze over again. they have proven that there is a cycle of 10' date='000 years of Ice age, and then 100,000 years of warm climate. we are currently nearing the end of a period of 100,000 years of warmness.

 

And how can you say that there is no substantial evidence for global warming...it all around us! You cannot deny that we are releaing A LOT of Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere. you CANNOT deny that more CO2 traps more heat in the atmosphere (greenhouse effect), and you cannot deny the sheer fact, that global temps have risen 3 degrees since 1950. Global warming is happening, there is no denying it.

[/quote']

 

And...? It's cooler now then when the Dinosaurs were stomping around, and this could just be a geographical thing, but where I live, each summer is getting cooler and cooler.

 

And again, global warming is only really harmful to us, not the planet. Even if it is true, it's us that are screwed. So why should 'environmentalist' that 'care about the planet' be worried?

[Willieh]

the world itself IS going to freeze over again. they have proven that there is a cycle of 10' date='000 years of Ice age, and then 100,000 years of warm climate. we are currently nearing the end of a period of 100,000 years of warmness.[/b']

 

And how can you say that there is no substantial evidence for global warming...it all around us! You cannot deny that we are releaing A LOT of Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere. you CANNOT deny that more CO2 traps more heat in the atmosphere (greenhouse effect), and you cannot deny the sheer fact, that global temps have risen 3 degrees since 1950. Global warming is happening, there is no denying it.

 

 

Allow me to point some things out to you:

 

-The first Ice Age was not caused by Global Warming was it?

-Neptunes Southern Pole is Heating up

-We have actually dropped in temperature since the 1940s

-Meat production leaves more of a carbon footprint than all of the automotive scources in the world

-The first paragraph you wrote actually contradicts your entire argument

 

 

Reconsider what you are saying.

[v8561v]

Hmm....lemme think.....

......deindustrialization, no, but stop ''growing'', maybe...

[HelioSpark]

the world itself IS going to freeze over again. they have proven that there is a cycle of 10' date='000 years of Ice age, and then 100,000 years of warm climate. we are currently nearing the end of a period of 100,000 years of warmness.[/b']

 

And how can you say that there is no substantial evidence for global warming...it all around us! You cannot deny that we are releaing A LOT of Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere. you CANNOT deny that more CO2 traps more heat in the atmosphere (greenhouse effect), and you cannot deny the sheer fact, that global temps have risen 3 degrees since 1950. Global warming is happening, there is no denying it.

 

 

Allow me to point some things out to you:

 

-The first Ice Age was not caused by Global Warming was it?

-Neptunes Southern Pole is Heating up

-We have actually dropped in temperature since the 1940s

-Meat production leaves more of a carbon footprint than all of the automotive scources in the world

-The first paragraph you wrote actually contradicts your entire argument

 

 

Reconsider what you are saying.

 

1. No it wasn't. The next ice age will not be "caused" by global warming either, but global warming will cause it to arrive sooner. (disruption of ocean currents=climate shift=ice age :/)

2. So? We are on earth. we have our own conditions, which are not in any way compareable to neptune.

3. Are you sure? evidence please?

4. so? I never said it didn't :/ You basically just pointed out another way that we are causing global warming.

5. Actually, it doesn't. the point was to say that the next ice age is coming soon, whether we are heating up the earth or not. And, it was to explain to you that the earth will freeze up again(you had said that it wouldn't previously.) We are going to speed up the already-impending coming of the next ice age. I care, because our generation, our children, and our grandchildren will have to pay the price.

[Willieh]

the world itself IS going to freeze over again. they have proven that there is a cycle of 10' date='000 years of Ice age, and then 100,000 years of warm climate. we are currently nearing the end of a period of 100,000 years of warmness.[/b']

 

And how can you say that there is no substantial evidence for global warming...it all around us! You cannot deny that we are releaing A LOT of Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere. you CANNOT deny that more CO2 traps more heat in the atmosphere (greenhouse effect), and you cannot deny the sheer fact, that global temps have risen 3 degrees since 1950. Global warming is happening, there is no denying it.

 

 

Allow me to point some things out to you:

 

-The first Ice Age was not caused by Global Warming was it?

-Neptunes Southern Pole is Heating up

-We have actually dropped in temperature since the 1940s

-Meat production leaves more of a carbon footprint than all of the automotive scources in the world

-The first paragraph you wrote actually contradicts your entire argument

 

 

Reconsider what you are saying.

 

1. No it wasn't. The next ice age will not be "caused" by global warming either, but global warming will cause it to arrive sooner. (disruption of ocean currents=climate shift=ice age :/)

2. So? We are on earth. we have our own conditions, which are not in any way compareable to neptune.

3. Are you sure? evidence please?

4. so? I never said it didn't :/ You basically just pointed out another way that we are causing global warming.

5. Actually, it doesn't. the point was to say that the next ice age is coming soon, whether we are heating up the earth or not. And, it was to explain to you that the earth will freeze up again(you had said that it wouldn't previously.) We are going to speed up the already-impending coming of the next ice age. I care, because our generation, our children, and our grandchildren will have to pay the price.

 

-You basically just said "It doesnt cause it to happen, it just causes it to happen"

 

-What I was getting at was that there are no people on Neptune. Perhaps it's just something that happens to the earth NATURALLY

 

-“Telltale signs are everywhere —from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest. Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F.” — Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University in Time Magazine’s June 24th, 1975 article Another Ice Age?

 

-I was just stating :|

 

-Actually it does. You said we are caught in an age of warm climate. That defeats the theory of global warming.

[HelioSpark]

by "warm" climate, i meant "not ice age" :/

[「tea.leaf」]

I think that at this point' date=' there is no solution. We have to wait it out, and pay for what we have done. It may seem harsh, but its true. Climatolagists have already confirmed that it is too late to stop global warming. [b']Meaning that the ice caps will melt, making the oceans rise[/b], and causing the next ice age. It is inevitable at this point. The bright side is, after the 10,000 year ice age, things should begin to reset themselves^_^

 

That sentence is actually, for a fact, proven false by science. If the icecaps melt the water will stay the same level. Think about it. If I take a glass of water and put some ice in it, the water level will rise. However when the ice melts in that glass, the water will remain the same as when ice was in it. The water will displace itself. So that's not whats going to happen sadly.

I'm sorry but that is just ridiculous. South pole: Much of the ice is in glaciers which reside partially or wholly ON LAND. When they melt, they oceans WILL RISE. Same thing goes for all of the glaciers residing in highland areas around the world. Plus, I would like you to Show me where science has said that the oceans will not rise. I have watched maybe 20 shows on National Geographic, where paid scientists have stated that the melting of the ice around the world will cause the oceans to rise.

I'm sorry, that bit was too funny. It almost sounded like they were paid to say it, but I'm sure that's not what you mean.

 

I'm not sure how much water is held in the landlocked glaciers, but in comparison, it's still less than even a fraction of the oceans, right? I don't think releasing that much fresh water into the ocean will really cause ocean levels to change that substantially. Besides, ice in the higher regions might not even melt, just because the temperature is low enough.

 

The worst I see coming out of all of this is the disruption of surface currents and maybe some effects on marine life that dwells in the upper depths.

[Jerry OldMaster]

Holey-moley! I actually started to think this thread was denied :P

 

Someone I know said that the solar storm may be the beginning of an ice age, too. You know, I'm actually very curious what actually will happen during 2012. And I think that it's the most major threat of all I mentioned.

 

Very good discussion between Willie and Wombat. You point out pretty interesting things, Willie.

[The Dark One]

Addler, you're making a fool of yourself right now. Please stop.

 

Yes, another Ice Ages IS coming. We can do nothing to prevent it. We can only: A. Speed it up, or B. Not speed it up.

 

If we continue to release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, we will make the Earth's atmosphere warmer. The disruption in the aquatic currents this will cause WILL make the Ice Age arrive more swiftly and more harshly.

 

Also, Neptune's increasing warmth DOES prove that there are natural cycles in which planetary temperatures change, but we already knew that. We have also discovered that Earth is on route to DROP in temperature, NOT raise in temperature. That means that any increased temperatures are NOT a result of natural cycles, and therefor must be a result of us.

 

Also, I've found all of your blatant ignorance about muslims hilariously funny. Fail less please and try out not being a racist for once. (Oh, and just because Barrack's middle name is Hussein, doesn't mean he's a muslim or a terrorist. He's Christian, but that shouldn't even matter.)

 

Now, I highly HIGHLY doubt that Barrack's wife has ANY connection with Hammas, but even if she did donate money in the past or some other such bull, who gives? The AMERICAN GOVERNMENT donated huge amounts of money AND WEAPONS to Al'Queda. Guess why? Al'Queda wasn't always bad. We were on their funking SIDE. Yes, now they're mass-murdering retards who think that blowing themselves up will earn then God's praise, but the point is, these organizations tend to start out perfectly valid. (As a side note, Phil Collins has been forbidden from reentering America because he is believed to be an Al'Queda supporter, all because he donated money to them once a long time ago. This is hilarious because the American government did the same thing themselves, and I don't see them banishing themselves from the country.)

 

Bush is a blundering idiot who probably has a lower IQ than an ape. Anyone is better than him. Gore isn't great, but at least he isn't Bush. Obama, on the other hand, is a good candidate.

[Lazer Yoshi]

People just make the air and temp, basically enviroment bad, they dont even care. Ill admit we have all done things to hurt the envrioment and dont care. Ive done it too. Leave the computer on all night, use too much water in the shower, and some others. We humans do these things that use oil, energy, and water. These are limited supplies, however. It will not stop. Humans will always use these supplies for their devices/items. Eventually, it could stop with Hybrid cars and no more bottled water. For now, less cross our fingers and pray... Well, if your Christian :lol: (Which I am). Its how the world has turned out, Earth meant to have everything be natural, now we have computers, video games, soda, paper towels, ETC. The world will always have trash to throw away. If that's the case, the landfills will not be enough. Ive had an idea, I was thinking we could shoot rockets into space full of garbage. But once we fire all those rockets, we'll have to do it again OVER and OVER and OVER. We will die before the world ends, trust me, we still have a while to go, but once we go, the world will still be pretty similar to today, except in technology. Technogoly helps the world become cleaner, but can everyone afford to have that kind of technology? No. The prices of these technologies should go DOWN. What's better, you getting money to spend on a whole bunch of crap, or a safer world?

Now, for pollution, that will NOT stop. Factories will always run, fires will always be burning, smokers will still exist. Trust me, smokers arent going anywhere. As the world population grows, more people pollute. The more people that pollute, the unhealthier the Earth becomes. We just can't stop birth and just kill, we have to wait. Nature will find it's way to cure this problem sooner or later.

I know you've had to read all of these :lol: But I wanted to share my opinion on this topic. The world means much to me, and you guys are part of it. Everyone on Earth is a part of it.

[Willieh]

@ The Dark One

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0E81nEn0fE

It's not a theory that Hamas supported/supports Obama, it's a fact. It was until the News reported it to the Public that it stayed on his website.



Besides that, Obama is NOT a good candidate. McCain is a much better candidate.

And to all those who call Bush an idiot, stfu. He probably does a better job than you would do. There's a difference.

Bush is a bad public speaker; he isn't an idiot. We would still have massive/devistating terrorist attacks if Gore or Kerry were in.

And I wish people would stop about this "Ice Age" coming. We aren't all going to die.

My thoughts are that people will never die out as a race. I think the ending of the world is a broad generalization. It could mean anything, from the ending for the world [i] as we know it [/i] to the ending of life on earth. Jumping to the conclusion that we are all going to die and spreading it around is stupid.

[The Dark One]

Lol at the fact that just because Hamas said they liked him, he must be in cahoots with them. Lern2thinkbetter please.

 

Bush IS an idiot. He has proved it by his actions. Kerry was no perfect candidate, but at least he had a freaking brain. (I mean come on, even to this day, Bush stil says nuculer rather than nuclear.)

 

Yes, an Ice Age IS coming. Whether people talk about it or don't won't affect that eventual outcome. Will it kill us? I highly doubt it. Will it make the Earth a lot less friendly to human life? You bet. But it doesn't really matter, I predict that we'll all go up in Nuclear (not nuculer) Armageddon before we hit the next Ice Age. (And that answers your other point, Humanity as a race has little chance of continuous survival. Particularly due to our unfortunate habit of blowing ourselves up.)

 

McCain really isn't bad. I like him too, just not as much as Obama.

[Willieh]

Lol at the fact that just because Hamas said they liked him' date=' he must be in cahoots with them. Lern2thinkbetter please.[/b']

 

Bush IS an idiot. He has proved it by his actions. Kerry was no perfect candidate, but at least he had a freaking brain. (I mean come on, even to this day, Bush stil says nuculer rather than nuclear.)

 

Yes, an Ice Age IS coming. Whether people talk about it or don't won't affect that eventual outcome. Will it kill us? I highly doubt it. Will it make the Earth a lot less friendly to human life? You bet. But it doesn't really matter, I predict that we'll all go up in Nuclear (not nuculer) Armageddon before we hit the next Ice Age. (And that answers your other point, Humanity as a race has little chance of continuous survival. Particularly due to our unfortunate habit of blowing ourselves up.)

 

McCain really isn't bad. I like him too, just not as much as Obama.

Up until the news released it, they were listed AS supporters FOR Obama on HIS website.

 

And it's like I said. Bush is a bad public speaker; but he isn't an idiot. There's a major difference. Obama is a great public speaker, but I support very few of his opinions.

[Static]

Want a solution to the oil crisis? Tell the government to get off the asses of people who ARE trying to find the solution. The government has been stopping and stomping many in this country who've tried to find solutions.

 

No. The problem is that our government DOES NOT GET ITS NOSE INTO EVERYTHING. It lets big business do its thing, without any sort of limitation.

 

Go to youtube, and search for a video that talks about Haliburton, the company responsible for random bits of the Marines safe stay in Iraq, in 63 (of 67) cases, did not chlorinate the water with which the Marines in Iraq had to shower in. Essentially, water purification standards which we would hold in our own country are not being met for men of our own country while they are far away because of capital greed.

 

In all honesty, I think the 9/11 terrorists would have done themselves, as well as much of America, better had they flown a plane into Haliburton's CEO building.

 

Back on topic:

 

The world will come to a close because of capital greed, and the right that most governments give for a person, or themselves, to act on it.

[Death Metal]

Solution to the oil crisis:

http://www.americansolutions.com/

 

And as far as the title of this thread goes; we are all doomed from the day we are born. We are doomed to an unavoidable death. :O

 

oh and wombat:

I think that at this point' date=' there is no solution. We have to wait it out, and pay for what we have done. It may seem harsh, but its true. Climatolagists have already confirmed that it is too late to stop global warming. [b']Meaning that the ice caps will melt, making the oceans rise[/b], and causing the next ice age. It is inevitable at this point. The bright side is, after the 10,000 year ice age, things should begin to reset themselves^_^

 

That sentence is actually, for a fact, proven false by science. If the icecaps melt the water will stay the same level. Think about it. If I take a glass of water and put some ice in it, the water level will rise. However when the ice melts in that glass, the water will remain the same as when ice was in it. The water will displace itself. So that's not whats going to happen sadly.

 

That makes perfect sense considering over 90% of the glacier is underwater.....Looks like Willieh gets another point.

 

Willieh: 2

 

Death Metal: Zeroh

[The Dark One]

Solution to the oil crisis:

http://www.americansolutions.com/

 

And as far as the title of this thread goes; we are all doomed from the day we are born. We are doomed to an unavoidable death. :O

 

oh and wombat:

I think that at this point' date=' there is no solution. We have to wait it out, and pay for what we have done. It may seem harsh, but its true. Climatolagists have already confirmed that it is too late to stop global warming. [b']Meaning that the ice caps will melt, making the oceans rise[/b], and causing the next ice age. It is inevitable at this point. The bright side is, after the 10,000 year ice age, things should begin to reset themselves^_^

 

That sentence is actually, for a fact, proven false by science. If the icecaps melt the water will stay the same level. Think about it. If I take a glass of water and put some ice in it, the water level will rise. However when the ice melts in that glass, the water will remain the same as when ice was in it. The water will displace itself. So that's not whats going to happen sadly.

 

That makes perfect sense considering over 90% of the glacier is underwater.....Looks like Willieh gets another point.

 

Willieh: 2

 

Death Metal: Zeroh

 

Lol, we're talking about Glaciers here, not icebergs. Learn the difference. But the raise in water level isn't the biggest threat that Global Warming poses.

[Death Metal]

Solution to the oil crisis:

http://www.americansolutions.com/

 

And as far as the title of this thread goes; we are all doomed from the day we are born. We are doomed to an unavoidable death. :O

 

oh and wombat:

I think that at this point' date=' there is no solution. We have to wait it out, and pay for what we have done. It may seem harsh, but its true. Climatolagists have already confirmed that it is too late to stop global warming. [b']Meaning that the ice caps will melt, making the oceans rise[/b], and causing the next ice age. It is inevitable at this point. The bright side is, after the 10,000 year ice age, things should begin to reset themselves^_^

 

That sentence is actually, for a fact, proven false by science. If the icecaps melt the water will stay the same level. Think about it. If I take a glass of water and put some ice in it, the water level will rise. However when the ice melts in that glass, the water will remain the same as when ice was in it. The water will displace itself. So that's not whats going to happen sadly.

 

That makes perfect sense considering over 90% of the glacier is underwater.....Looks like Willieh gets another point.

 

Willieh: 2

 

Death Metal: Zeroh

 

Lol, we're talking about Glaciers here, not icebergs. Learn the difference.But the raise in water level isn't the biggest threat that Global Warming poses.

 

I can't my brain will hurt.

 

Anyways Besides my lack of knowledge of big masses of ice, lets get back on topic.

[The Dark One]

That was perfectly on topic. I asserted that your view of glaciers was incorrect, instead better applying to icebergs. In other words, Glaciers are NOT 90% underwater. When they melt, we can tell.

 

But again, losing a few miles of coastline is only one of the consequences of Global Warming.