Selfish America

[2sick4u]

Threads like this always fascinate me so I must begin this discussion with the basic question that usually pops up...

 

Master Of Dark World: What' date=' exactly, is your ethnic background? Are you a Native American?

[/quote']

 

no I am not. your point?

The point is, you should stop being so much of a wuss.

"Oh Nooo, the native americanz lost there land.."

Who cares?

They didn't fight hard enough for it.

-_-".

The result out of it lead us to this, with all of our luxuries, like Willie Alder said.

Do you think Native American's would of moved out of tents?

No, not without colonization.

The invasion shaped the world.

Don't think of it as selfish on the sides of the British,

think of it as generous on the sides of the Native Americans.

To put it simply: Shut up, you're wrong.

=].

2sick~

[silverlighted]

Threads like this always fascinate me so I must begin this discussion with the basic question that usually pops up...

 

Master Of Dark World: What' date=' exactly, is your ethnic background? Are you a Native American?

[/quote']

 

no I am not. your point?

The point is, you should stop being so much of a wuss.

"Oh Nooo, the native americanz lost there land.."

Who cares?

They didn't fight hard enough for it.

-_-".

The result out of it lead us to this, with all of our luxuries, like Willie Alder said.

Do you think Native American's would of moved out of tents?

No, not without colonization.

The invasion shaped the world.

Don't think of it as selfish on the sides of the British,

think of it as generous on the sides of the Native Americans.

To put it simply: Shut up, you're wrong.

=].

2sick~

 

Wow, that's a whole lot of ignorant statements.

I mean, god forbid the OP feel bad about something that doesn't affect him directly. That he can only complain if he's Native American.

And the whole idea that without the colonization, our currently luxuries might not exist. I mean, it's true, but only true in the sense that it's redundant. Obviously if something changed like that in course of history, then the present would be much different. You or I might not even exist, it doesn't mean anything. But you're implying that the native americans might not have advanced in technology, how the hell would you know? We can't possibly know. And your whole thing about generosity and selfishness...wow, if someone forces you out of your home, you're being generous? I oughta try that. Oh wait, you'll fight me off, but if you don't fight hard enough, you end up being generous, so it's all good.

 

 

As for the OP:

The one thing that infuriates me is the American History.

The people who came to America were probably the most selfish people in history.

I actually feel ashamed to live in this country knowing that it was stolen.

 

I spit at those who think that they are the greatest because they live here

or that they are the best because they are American.

 

It sickens me to know our "Great" country' date=' was brought together so selfishly.

[/quote']

 

Learn about world history, and you'll read about land being stolen all over the place! I mean, good, bad, whatever you think, it still happened with other countries, not necessarily America. There were other selfish people too.

Well, I wouldn't spit at them, but it also annoys me when people think they're the best all because they're American, that's just really empty arrogance. But whatever, it's pride in your country, the country you live in. And comparatively, it's a good place to live. And honestly, the only reason I get annoyed is because I just don't like most instances of pride, that's personal, possibly irrational, quirk of mine.

 

Anyways...okay, it sickens you...but...we all live off someone's pain some way or another.

It doesn't necessarily mean it's right, but there's not much you can do that our country's ancestors stole land 300 years ago. You don't have to approve of it, but focusing your negative energies towards the idea that America had selfish energies is kind of useless. I mean, yeah, I agree, but so what? That's all there is to it.

 

Hell, there's selfishness now. Selfishness drives the economy. It might not be right, but that's what it is, and it is like that because it's just a byproduct of human nature. So, if anything, complain about humanity as well.

 

Try to do with what you can. Be a better person if that's what you can do. But unless you merely ranted to get this out, I don't know what else you expected from a rant at human selfishness.

[Willieh]

Threads like this always fascinate me so I must begin this discussion with the basic question that usually pops up...

 

Master Of Dark World: What' date=' exactly, is your ethnic background? Are you a Native American?

[/quote']

 

no I am not. your point?

The point is, you should stop being so much of a wuss.

"Oh Nooo, the native americanz lost there land.."

Who cares?

They didn't fight hard enough for it.

-_-".

The result out of it lead us to this, with all of our luxuries, like Willie Alder said.

Do you think Native American's would of moved out of tents?

No, not without colonization.

The invasion shaped the world.

Don't think of it as selfish on the sides of the British,

think of it as generous on the sides of the Native Americans.

To put it simply: Shut up, you're wrong.

=].

2sick~

 

Wow, that's a whole lot of ignorant statements.

I mean, god forbid the OP feel bad about something that doesn't affect him directly. That he can only complain if he's Native American.

And the whole idea that without the colonization, our currently luxuries might not exist. I mean, it's true, but only true in the sense that it's redundant. Obviously if something changed like that in course of history, then the present would be much different. You or I might not even exist, it doesn't mean anything. But you're implying that the native americans might not have advanced in technology, how the hell would you know? We can't possibly know. And your whole thing about generosity and selfishness...wow, if someone forces you out of your home, you're being generous? I oughta try that. Oh wait, you'll fight me off, but if you don't fight hard enough, you end up being generous, so it's all good.

 

The fact of the matter is that we can't go back in time and change anything. And if we did we would probably ruin the future. What happened back then was an important land mark in industrilization of the "new world". Without the Pilgrims they would have never learned about more advanced technology because they didn't have it. Then they would still be living in tents; while the rest of the world was actually progressing.

[The Dark One]

While I agree with your standpoint, in that what is done is done, Adler, I will state that there is absolutely no way you can prove that the Native Americans wouldn't have developed technologies. For all we know the Natives would have developed Faster-than-Light Space Travel by now. (Not that would be very likely.)

 

The Natives did develop many technologies and techniques that Europe did not have. Mostly different crop-related technologies, such as terraced farming. Also, keep in mind that they developed their own calenders and complex religious and cultural systems. They were far from primitive people, they just hadn't gotten around to some of the things the Europeans had advanced in.

 

Also, I will comment that Asia played a large role in the European advancement. China was the first large naval power. I believe the sextant was a Chinese invention. Gunpowder was Chinese. Up until the Renaissance, it was the Europeans who were the primitives. They had the technology, but they weren't the ones developing it.

[silverlighted]

Threads like this always fascinate me so I must begin this discussion with the basic question that usually pops up...

 

Master Of Dark World: What' date=' exactly, is your ethnic background? Are you a Native American?

[/quote']

 

no I am not. your point?

The point is, you should stop being so much of a wuss.

"Oh Nooo, the native americanz lost there land.."

Who cares?

They didn't fight hard enough for it.

-_-".

The result out of it lead us to this, with all of our luxuries, like Willie Alder said.

Do you think Native American's would of moved out of tents?

No, not without colonization.

The invasion shaped the world.

Don't think of it as selfish on the sides of the British,

think of it as generous on the sides of the Native Americans.

To put it simply: Shut up, you're wrong.

=].

2sick~

 

Wow, that's a whole lot of ignorant statements.

I mean, god forbid the OP feel bad about something that doesn't affect him directly. That he can only complain if he's Native American.

And the whole idea that without the colonization, our currently luxuries might not exist. I mean, it's true, but only true in the sense that it's redundant. Obviously if something changed like that in course of history, then the present would be much different. You or I might not even exist, it doesn't mean anything. But you're implying that the native americans might not have advanced in technology, how the hell would you know? We can't possibly know. And your whole thing about generosity and selfishness...wow, if someone forces you out of your home, you're being generous? I oughta try that. Oh wait, you'll fight me off, but if you don't fight hard enough, you end up being generous, so it's all good.

 

The fact of the matter is that we can't go back in time and change anything. And if we did we would probably ruin the future. What happened back then was an important land mark in industrilization of the "new world". Without the Pilgrims they would have never learned about more advanced technology because they didn't have it. Then they would still be living in tents; while the rest of the world was actually progressing.

 

Well yeah, of course. It doesn't make sense to live with regrets. I don't believe someone should timemachine them back into the past and kill columbus, or whoever.

[Willieh]

While I agree with your standpoint' date=' in that what is done is done, Adler, I will state that there is absolutely no way you can prove that the Native Americans wouldn't have developed technologies. For all we know the Natives would have developed Faster-than-Light Space Travel by now. (Not that would be very likely.)

 

The Natives did develop many technologies and techniques that Europe did not have. Mostly different crop-related technologies, such as terraced farming. Also, keep in mind that they developed their own calenders and complex religious and cultural systems. They were far from primitive people, they just hadn't gotten around to some of the things the Europeans had advanced in.

 

Also, I will comment that Asia played a large role in the European advancement. China was the first large naval power. I believe the sextant was a Chinese invention. Gunpowder was Chinese. Up until the Renaissance, it was the Europeans who were the primitives. They had the technology, but they weren't the ones developing it.

[/quote']

 

Okay. Fine I'll give you that. There's no way to prove that they wouldn't have advanced beyond our capabilities of today. But I honestly doubt it.

 

And I consider Sumerians to be the real founders of technology.

 

About the whole religious and cultural systems; those are useless. We had no use for that.

 

And Europeans re-invented gun powder. The Chinese didn't use it as weaponry as they did. Thats probably why European countries were almost always dominant.

[The Dark One]

All that shows is that European countries were the most barbaric. They were determined to turn everything into a weapon.

 

Though China did use gunpowder in war, it was called the flamelance or somesuch.

[2sick4u]

Threads like this always fascinate me so I must begin this discussion with the basic question that usually pops up...

 

Master Of Dark World: What' date=' exactly, is your ethnic background? Are you a Native American?

[/quote']

 

no I am not. your point?

The point is, you should stop being so much of a wuss.

"Oh Nooo, the native americanz lost there land.."

Who cares?

They didn't fight hard enough for it.

-_-".

The result out of it lead us to this, with all of our luxuries, like Willie Alder said.

Do you think Native American's would of moved out of tents?

No, not without colonization.

The invasion shaped the world.

Don't think of it as selfish on the sides of the British,

think of it as generous on the sides of the Native Americans.

To put it simply: Shut up, you're wrong.

=].

2sick~

 

Wow, that's a whole lot of ignorant statements.

I mean, god forbid the OP feel bad about something that doesn't affect him directly. That he can only complain if he's Native American.

And the whole idea that without the colonization, our currently luxuries might not exist. I mean, it's true, but only true in the sense that it's redundant. Obviously if something changed like that in course of history, then the present would be much different. You or I might not even exist, it doesn't mean anything. But you're implying that the native americans might not have advanced in technology, how the hell would you know? We can't possibly know. And your whole thing about generosity and selfishness...wow, if someone forces you out of your home, you're being generous? I oughta try that. Oh wait, you'll fight me off, but if you don't fight hard enough, you end up being generous, so it's all good.

I'll admit, I kind of rushed through that, and purposely tried to sound like an jabroni. But eh, I'm ignorant towards history, so what? I'm one of those people that's more "knowing the past cannot help the future." Even though it's debatable that it might.

I can assume that our luxuries mightn't exist, since you can also assume that they might. It's all based on opinion, and based on the spiritual side of the Native Americans, I can assume that they wouldn't be at the level we are today. If you disagree, see if I care. -_-".

Okay, the generousity/selfishness thing.

Wow, you're quick to be a douche, eh?

It's obvious I picked a bad word, but you simply looked at it from a different context.

When I typed it, I thought about how we openly took their land, however, the owner of the land remained the same for all this time, making me think sacrifices of the Native Americans are generous, at least, in quantity.

You looked at it on a side of being an ignorant douche, who just wanted to shut me down. If someone forced me out of my home, but I never tried to reclaim it, be it with police or what not, in all technicality, I'm being generous in letting you have it.

=/.

2sick~

[Willieh]

Threads like this always fascinate me so I must begin this discussion with the basic question that usually pops up...

 

Master Of Dark World: What' date=' exactly, is your ethnic background? Are you a Native American?

[/quote']

 

no I am not. your point?

The point is, you should stop being so much of a wuss.

"Oh Nooo, the native americanz lost there land.."

Who cares?

They didn't fight hard enough for it.

-_-".

The result out of it lead us to this, with all of our luxuries, like Willie Alder said.

Do you think Native American's would of moved out of tents?

No, not without colonization.

The invasion shaped the world.

Don't think of it as selfish on the sides of the British,

think of it as generous on the sides of the Native Americans.

To put it simply: Shut up, you're wrong.

=].

2sick~

 

Wow, that's a whole lot of ignorant statements.

I mean, god forbid the OP feel bad about something that doesn't affect him directly. That he can only complain if he's Native American.

And the whole idea that without the colonization, our currently luxuries might not exist. I mean, it's true, but only true in the sense that it's redundant. Obviously if something changed like that in course of history, then the present would be much different. You or I might not even exist, it doesn't mean anything. But you're implying that the native americans might not have advanced in technology, how the hell would you know? We can't possibly know. And your whole thing about generosity and selfishness...wow, if someone forces you out of your home, you're being generous? I oughta try that. Oh wait, you'll fight me off, but if you don't fight hard enough, you end up being generous, so it's all good.

I'll admit, I kind of rushed through that, and purposely tried to sound like an a******. But eh, I'm ignorant towards history, so what? I'm one of those people that's more "knowing the past cannot help the future." Even though it's debatable that it might.

I can assume that our luxuries mightn't exist, since you can also assume that they might. It's all based on opinion, and based on the spiritual side of the Native Americans, I can assume that they wouldn't be at the level we are today. If you disagree, see if I care. -_-".

Okay, the generousity/selfishness thing.

Wow, you're quick to be a douche, eh?

It's obvious I picked a bad word, but you simply looked at it from a different context.

When I typed it, I thought about how we openly took their land, however, the owner of the land remained the same for all this time, making me think sacrifices of the Native Americans are generous, at least, in quantity.

You looked at it on a side of being an ignorant douche, who just wanted to shut me down. If someone forced me out of my home, but I never tried to reclaim it, be it with police or what not, in all technicality, I'm being generous in letting you have it.

=/.

2sick~

 

 

What's funny is when people try to debate on things that are impossible to decide (I'm guilty :|). (i.e. the indians would have came up with better technology, every course of time is predetermined)

 

It gets old debating about things like that. Because you know that neither of you are right; and neither of you are wrong. It's technically undebateable (if that's a word?)

[2sick4u]

Threads like this always fascinate me so I must begin this discussion with the basic question that usually pops up...

 

Master Of Dark World: What' date=' exactly, is your ethnic background? Are you a Native American?

[/quote']

 

no I am not. your point?

The point is, you should stop being so much of a wuss.

"Oh Nooo, the native americanz lost there land.."

Who cares?

They didn't fight hard enough for it.

-_-".

The result out of it lead us to this, with all of our luxuries, like Willie Alder said.

Do you think Native American's would of moved out of tents?

No, not without colonization.

The invasion shaped the world.

Don't think of it as selfish on the sides of the British,

think of it as generous on the sides of the Native Americans.

To put it simply: Shut up, you're wrong.

=].

2sick~

 

Wow, that's a whole lot of ignorant statements.

I mean, god forbid the OP feel bad about something that doesn't affect him directly. That he can only complain if he's Native American.

And the whole idea that without the colonization, our currently luxuries might not exist. I mean, it's true, but only true in the sense that it's redundant. Obviously if something changed like that in course of history, then the present would be much different. You or I might not even exist, it doesn't mean anything. But you're implying that the native americans might not have advanced in technology, how the hell would you know? We can't possibly know. And your whole thing about generosity and selfishness...wow, if someone forces you out of your home, you're being generous? I oughta try that. Oh wait, you'll fight me off, but if you don't fight hard enough, you end up being generous, so it's all good.

I'll admit, I kind of rushed through that, and purposely tried to sound like an a******. But eh, I'm ignorant towards history, so what? I'm one of those people that's more "knowing the past cannot help the future." Even though it's debatable that it might.

I can assume that our luxuries mightn't exist, since you can also assume that they might. It's all based on opinion, and based on the spiritual side of the Native Americans, I can assume that they wouldn't be at the level we are today. If you disagree, see if I care. -_-".

Okay, the generousity/selfishness thing.

Wow, you're quick to be a douche, eh?

It's obvious I picked a bad word, but you simply looked at it from a different context.

When I typed it, I thought about how we openly took their land, however, the owner of the land remained the same for all this time, making me think sacrifices of the Native Americans are generous, at least, in quantity.

You looked at it on a side of being an ignorant douche, who just wanted to shut me down. If someone forced me out of my home, but I never tried to reclaim it, be it with police or what not, in all technicality, I'm being generous in letting you have it.

=/.

2sick~

 

 

What's funny is when people try to debate on things that are impossible to decide (I'm guilty :|). (i.e. the indians would have came up with better technology, every course of time is predetermined)

 

It gets old debating about things like that. Because you know that neither of you are right; and neither of you are wrong. It's technically undebateable (if that's a word?)

=/. True, it's neither right or wrong, but it is opinion based, meaning it can be debated.

Still, knowing I can't be wrong always helps in debating ;].

Hm.

Undebatable.. It's a word. Well, I heard it in a rap song once, but since.. Most of the words they use are made up, (Soldier boy songs, Yaa trick yaa? O.O") I wouldn't be to sure.

Just..

www.dictionary.com it.

=].

2sick~

[Willieh]

Threads like this always fascinate me so I must begin this discussion with the basic question that usually pops up...

 

Master Of Dark World: What' date=' exactly, is your ethnic background? Are you a Native American?

[/quote']

 

no I am not. your point?

The point is, you should stop being so much of a wuss.

"Oh Nooo, the native americanz lost there land.."

Who cares?

They didn't fight hard enough for it.

-_-".

The result out of it lead us to this, with all of our luxuries, like Willie Alder said.

Do you think Native American's would of moved out of tents?

No, not without colonization.

The invasion shaped the world.

Don't think of it as selfish on the sides of the British,

think of it as generous on the sides of the Native Americans.

To put it simply: Shut up, you're wrong.

=].

2sick~

 

Wow, that's a whole lot of ignorant statements.

I mean, god forbid the OP feel bad about something that doesn't affect him directly. That he can only complain if he's Native American.

And the whole idea that without the colonization, our currently luxuries might not exist. I mean, it's true, but only true in the sense that it's redundant. Obviously if something changed like that in course of history, then the present would be much different. You or I might not even exist, it doesn't mean anything. But you're implying that the native americans might not have advanced in technology, how the hell would you know? We can't possibly know. And your whole thing about generosity and selfishness...wow, if someone forces you out of your home, you're being generous? I oughta try that. Oh wait, you'll fight me off, but if you don't fight hard enough, you end up being generous, so it's all good.

I'll admit, I kind of rushed through that, and purposely tried to sound like an a******. But eh, I'm ignorant towards history, so what? I'm one of those people that's more "knowing the past cannot help the future." Even though it's debatable that it might.

I can assume that our luxuries mightn't exist, since you can also assume that they might. It's all based on opinion, and based on the spiritual side of the Native Americans, I can assume that they wouldn't be at the level we are today. If you disagree, see if I care. -_-".

Okay, the generousity/selfishness thing.

Wow, you're quick to be a douche, eh?

It's obvious I picked a bad word, but you simply looked at it from a different context.

When I typed it, I thought about how we openly took their land, however, the owner of the land remained the same for all this time, making me think sacrifices of the Native Americans are generous, at least, in quantity.

You looked at it on a side of being an ignorant douche, who just wanted to shut me down. If someone forced me out of my home, but I never tried to reclaim it, be it with police or what not, in all technicality, I'm being generous in letting you have it.

=/.

2sick~

 

 

What's funny is when people try to debate on things that are impossible to decide (I'm guilty :|). (i.e. the indians would have came up with better technology, every course of time is predetermined)

 

It gets old debating about things like that. Because you know that neither of you are right; and neither of you are wrong. It's technically undebateable (if that's a word?)

=/. True, it's neither right or wrong, but it is opinion based, meaning it can be debated.

Still, knowing I can't be wrong always helps in debating ;].

Hm.

Undebatable.. It's a word. Well, I heard it in a rap song once, but since.. Most of the words they use are made up, (Soldier boy songs, Yaa trick yaa? O.O") I wouldn't be to sure.

Just..

www.dictionary.com it.

=].

2sick~

Lol I looked it up and it said no results found. O.O Maybe I misspelled it? Or maybe I'm retarded and use false words...Meh I'm going with the first one.

[silverlighted]

Threads like this always fascinate me so I must begin this discussion with the basic question that usually pops up...

 

Master Of Dark World: What' date=' exactly, is your ethnic background? Are you a Native American?

[/quote']

 

no I am not. your point?

The point is, you should stop being so much of a wuss.

"Oh Nooo, the native americanz lost there land.."

Who cares?

They didn't fight hard enough for it.

-_-".

The result out of it lead us to this, with all of our luxuries, like Willie Alder said.

Do you think Native American's would of moved out of tents?

No, not without colonization.

The invasion shaped the world.

Don't think of it as selfish on the sides of the British,

think of it as generous on the sides of the Native Americans.

To put it simply: Shut up, you're wrong.

=].

2sick~

 

Wow, that's a whole lot of ignorant statements.

I mean, god forbid the OP feel bad about something that doesn't affect him directly. That he can only complain if he's Native American.

And the whole idea that without the colonization, our currently luxuries might not exist. I mean, it's true, but only true in the sense that it's redundant. Obviously if something changed like that in course of history, then the present would be much different. You or I might not even exist, it doesn't mean anything. But you're implying that the native americans might not have advanced in technology, how the hell would you know? We can't possibly know. And your whole thing about generosity and selfishness...wow, if someone forces you out of your home, you're being generous? I oughta try that. Oh wait, you'll fight me off, but if you don't fight hard enough, you end up being generous, so it's all good.

I'll admit, I kind of rushed through that, and purposely tried to sound like an a******. But eh, I'm ignorant towards history, so what? I'm one of those people that's more "knowing the past cannot help the future." Even though it's debatable that it might.

I can assume that our luxuries mightn't exist, since you can also assume that they might. It's all based on opinion, and based on the spiritual side of the Native Americans, I can assume that they wouldn't be at the level we are today. If you disagree, see if I care. -_-".

Okay, the generousity/selfishness thing.

Wow, you're quick to be a douche, eh?

It's obvious I picked a bad word, but you simply looked at it from a different context.

When I typed it, I thought about how we openly took their land, however, the owner of the land remained the same for all this time, making me think sacrifices of the Native Americans are generous, at least, in quantity.

You looked at it on a side of being an ignorant douche, who just wanted to shut me down. If someone forced me out of my home, but I never tried to reclaim it, be it with police or what not, in all technicality, I'm being generous in letting you have it.

=/.

2sick~

 

lol, yes, you did sound like an jabroni. And I have to admit, that was a big part of why I responded about the generosity thing so sarcastically. And, I just thought the whole idea of saying that they didn't fight hard enough or using the term "generous" at all was just...i guess...completely rude and insensitive to Native Americans everywhere. That's why I said "ignorant", more for the connotation, and not necessarily because I think you don't know your history. *shrugs* I probably don't know more than you about history.

 

Yeah, it's presumable that we would have our luxuries, like I said, it's presumable that we might not even be alive. But to say we our current lives because the British came over is just kind of a ridiculous statement. It's like thanking the big bang, I dunno, just kinda unnecessary if you know what I mean.

 

Anyways, the majority of my post was just dealing with the insensitivities in yours, like I said before.

All in all, there's really no greater point. I guess I had just wanted to press, that yes, the op is fine to complain because yes, it was totally terrible to just take land from the native americans. And this can be stated in conjunction the fact that we might not be where we are now if it weren't for said terrible actions.

[2sick4u]

Threads like this always fascinate me so I must begin this discussion with the basic question that usually pops up...

 

Master Of Dark World: What' date=' exactly, is your ethnic background? Are you a Native American?

[/quote']

 

no I am not. your point?

The point is, you should stop being so much of a wuss.

"Oh Nooo, the native americanz lost there land.."

Who cares?

They didn't fight hard enough for it.

-_-".

The result out of it lead us to this, with all of our luxuries, like Willie Alder said.

Do you think Native American's would of moved out of tents?

No, not without colonization.

The invasion shaped the world.

Don't think of it as selfish on the sides of the British,

think of it as generous on the sides of the Native Americans.

To put it simply: Shut up, you're wrong.

=].

2sick~

 

Wow, that's a whole lot of ignorant statements.

I mean, god forbid the OP feel bad about something that doesn't affect him directly. That he can only complain if he's Native American.

And the whole idea that without the colonization, our currently luxuries might not exist. I mean, it's true, but only true in the sense that it's redundant. Obviously if something changed like that in course of history, then the present would be much different. You or I might not even exist, it doesn't mean anything. But you're implying that the native americans might not have advanced in technology, how the hell would you know? We can't possibly know. And your whole thing about generosity and selfishness...wow, if someone forces you out of your home, you're being generous? I oughta try that. Oh wait, you'll fight me off, but if you don't fight hard enough, you end up being generous, so it's all good.

I'll admit, I kind of rushed through that, and purposely tried to sound like an a******. But eh, I'm ignorant towards history, so what? I'm one of those people that's more "knowing the past cannot help the future." Even though it's debatable that it might.

I can assume that our luxuries mightn't exist, since you can also assume that they might. It's all based on opinion, and based on the spiritual side of the Native Americans, I can assume that they wouldn't be at the level we are today. If you disagree, see if I care. -_-".

Okay, the generousity/selfishness thing.

Wow, you're quick to be a douche, eh?

It's obvious I picked a bad word, but you simply looked at it from a different context.

When I typed it, I thought about how we openly took their land, however, the owner of the land remained the same for all this time, making me think sacrifices of the Native Americans are generous, at least, in quantity.

You looked at it on a side of being an ignorant douche, who just wanted to shut me down. If someone forced me out of my home, but I never tried to reclaim it, be it with police or what not, in all technicality, I'm being generous in letting you have it.

=/.

2sick~

 

lol, yes, you did sound like an a******. And I have to admit, that was a big part of why I responded about the generosity thing so sarcastically. And, I just thought the whole idea of saying that they didn't fight hard enough or using the term "generous" at all was just...i guess...completely rude and insensitive to Native Americans everywhere. That's why I said "ignorant", more for the connotation, and not necessarily because I think you don't know your history. *shrugs* I probably don't know more than you about history.

 

Yeah, it's presumable that we would have our luxuries, like I said, it's presumable that we might not even be alive. But to say we our current lives because the British came over is just kind of a ridiculous statement. It's like thanking the big bang, I dunno, just kinda unnecessary if you know what I mean.

 

Anyways, the majority of my post was just dealing with the insensitivities in yours, like I said before.

All in all, there's really no greater point. I guess I had just wanted to press, that yes, the op is fine to complain because yes, it was totally terrible to just take land from the native americans. And this can be stated in conjunction the fact that we might not be where we are now if it weren't for said terrible actions.

Agreed. Completely. =].

It's probably the most profound way to look at it, that history is history, and that we're like this today because of it.

=/.

2sick~

[Static]

taking

land from the Native Americans

killing them

trying to make them live up to their customs and religion

 

yes' date=' we made some mistakes..every country does(rome,germany, japan,[b']AMERICA,COLOMBIA,BRITAIN,SUDAN,[/b] etc.) but we should make sure we dont do it again.

 

Fixed.

 

My consensus: F-ck Oppression.

 

Based on your comments it seems like you would support communism :|. Communism is the third most oppressing government there is; right up next to Tyrancy and Dictatorship.

 

No, Stalin just did it wrong.

 

An ideal government would tell the people what is right for them, basically what is right for them, and the people would accept it because it makes sense, and generally, a lot more sense than what they believe if the right idealisms are presented.

 

Its not oppressive if people could just accept what is good for them, and frankly, what Stalin tried to get them to learn WAS good for them. The only thing about the USSR that was.. bad.. was the standard of living in comparison to that of the United States.

 

Oh, did I say F-ck Oppression? I meant the kind that comes from religion and from Nazism, not the kind that shows people what should be acceptable.

[Enigma Zero]

Wow, I got quoted alot since I last posted in this thread and most of it wasn't even remotely on point with what I was going to say. My point, and yes for the record I am Native American, was more to point situations in which people whose people's history was not directly affected by certain historical events can sometimes be become far more emotionally charged than those whose people's history was directly affected by certain historical events. Master Of Dark World apparently has a very deep emotional reaction to the events outlined in this thread whereas, by comparison, myself and most people I know of my race are pretty much over it. It's true that some of the events in history that involve my people were quite horrific...but if you look over history everybody has a story to tell.

 

As far as history goes, we're actually pretty lucky. From my many summers on the reservation as a child I can safely say that most of our traditions and customs have weathered the test of time quite nicely. How many other groups of people have been almost all but completely erased from history? And as far as the other races in our country go...I'd have to say we're the ones the least affected by rascism in our current society, which is a pretty nice thing.

 

So while it's true that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it...it's also true that those who live too much in the past never see the future. ;)

[Willieh]

taking

land from the Native Americans

killing them

trying to make them live up to their customs and religion

 

yes' date=' we made some mistakes..every country does(rome,germany, japan,[b']AMERICA,COLOMBIA,BRITAIN,SUDAN,[/b] etc.) but we should make sure we dont do it again.

 

Fixed.

 

My consensus: F-ck Oppression.

 

Based on your comments it seems like you would support communism :|. Communism is the third most oppressing government there is; right up next to Tyrancy and Dictatorship.

 

No, Stalin just did it wrong.

 

An ideal government would tell the people what is right for them, basically what is right for them, and the people would accept it because it makes sense, and generally, a lot more sense than what they believe if the right idealisms are presented.

 

Its not oppressive if people could just accept what is good for them, and frankly, what Stalin tried to get them to learn WAS good for them. The only thing about the USSR that was.. bad.. was the standard of living in comparison to that of the United States.

 

Oh, did I say F-ck Oppression? I meant the kind that comes from religion and from Nazism, not the kind that shows people what should be acceptable.

 

The fact of the matter is; the people will take it as oppression when they are told what's good for them. People find anything to be oppression if they can't have it exactly the perfect way they want it. Most citizens of a country or republic dont know what is good for them. That's why a government like that would never stand.

[Static]

taking

land from the Native Americans

killing them

trying to make them live up to their customs and religion

 

yes' date=' we made some mistakes..every country does(rome,germany, japan,[b']AMERICA,COLOMBIA,BRITAIN,SUDAN,[/b] etc.) but we should make sure we dont do it again.

 

Fixed.

 

My consensus: F-ck Oppression.

 

Based on your comments it seems like you would support communism :|. Communism is the third most oppressing government there is; right up next to Tyrancy and Dictatorship.

 

No, Stalin just did it wrong.

 

An ideal government would tell the people what is right for them, basically what is right for them, and the people would accept it because it makes sense, and generally, a lot more sense than what they believe if the right idealisms are presented.

 

Its not oppressive if people could just accept what is good for them, and frankly, what Stalin tried to get them to learn WAS good for them. The only thing about the USSR that was.. bad.. was the standard of living in comparison to that of the United States.

 

Oh, did I say F-ck Oppression? I meant the kind that comes from religion and from Nazism, not the kind that shows people what should be acceptable.

 

The fact of the matter is; the people will take it as oppression when they are told what's good for them. People find anything to be oppression if they can't have it exactly the perfect way they want it. Most citizens of a country or republic dont know what is good for them. That's why a government like that would never stand.

 

Well once the government has it right, then when the people disagree, their deaths are justified in the name of making a better world.

 

If the government has it wrong, and they bring death to the people, who aren't as incorrect, then it is oppression.

 

It's all based on who is more atheist (whose Ideals make more real sense) :P

[Wyhe]

Agreed,the whites have done many atrocities to bring the states together.

They have treated themselves as the only superior beings there,disregarding the native americans,enslaving the blacks from Africa & so much more.

Not to mention that it was USA who opened the gateway from the most dangerous weapons in production.

[Willieh]

Agreed' date='the whites have done many atrocities to bring the states together.

They have treated themselves as the only superior beings there,disregarding the native americans,enslaving the blacks from Africa & so much more.

[b']Not to mention that it was USA who opened the gateway from the most dangerous weapons in production.[/b]

 

To start off; without all of this chaos ( or so you call it chaos ) the world wouldn't be as complete as it is today. We helped contribute to making the world what it is. In a sense, it's like adding pieces to the puzzle. Every piece matters because without one there's a big funking hole ruining your puzzle.

 

The invention of the A-bomb was for the best. Had we never invented it; Japan would have entitled themselves the world leader. We couldn't have had that.

[Wyhe]

Agreed' date='the whites have done many atrocities to bring the states together.

They have treated themselves as the only superior beings there,disregarding the native americans,enslaving the blacks from Africa & so much more.

[b']Not to mention that it was USA who opened the gateway from the most dangerous weapons in production.[/b]

 

To start off; without all of this chaos ( or so you call it chaos ) the world wouldn't be as complete as it is today. We helped contribute to making the world what it is. In a sense, it's like adding pieces to the puzzle. Every piece matters because without one there's a big f***ing hole ruining your puzzle.

 

The invention of the A-bomb was for the best. Had we never invented it; Japan would have entitled themselves the world leader. We couldn't have had that.

I live in Singapore,a country once conquerred by the japs, & my lineage is fron China,so I know the japs can't control us.

but the A-Bomb caused other countries to make them too & the Iraq War started because US think that Mid East is making them to crush US.

[Willieh]

Agreed' date='the whites have done many atrocities to bring the states together.

They have treated themselves as the only superior beings there,disregarding the native americans,enslaving the blacks from Africa & so much more.

[b']Not to mention that it was USA who opened the gateway from the most dangerous weapons in production.[/b]

 

To start off; without all of this chaos ( or so you call it chaos ) the world wouldn't be as complete as it is today. We helped contribute to making the world what it is. In a sense, it's like adding pieces to the puzzle. Every piece matters because without one there's a big f***ing hole ruining your puzzle.

 

The invention of the A-bomb was for the best. Had we never invented it; Japan would have entitled themselves the world leader. We couldn't have had that.

I live in Singapore,a country once conquerred by the japs, & my lineage is fron China,so I know the japs can't control us.

but the A-Bomb caused other countries to make them too & the Iraq War started because US think that Mid East is making them to crush US.

 

This is why public education is flawed. They teach you that violence is bad and only can possibly result in bad things.

 

Yes violence is bad, and we do believe that TERRORISTS in Iraq have WMDs. Not Iraq itself. In fact; we are trying our best to help Iraq and Iran. What we are trying to do is rid their places of terrorism. There is no war between us and Iraq.

 

The flaw of the war is that Iraq wants this chaos in their country to a point. They elected Hamas to be their government; which is the biggest anti-American terrorist organization there is. They just hide it from us.

[Static]

Agreed' date='the whites have done many atrocities to bring the states together.

They have treated themselves as the only superior beings there,disregarding the native americans,enslaving the blacks from Africa & so much more.

[b']Not to mention that it was USA who opened the gateway from the most dangerous weapons in production.[/b]

 

To start off; without all of this chaos ( or so you call it chaos ) the world wouldn't be as complete as it is today. We helped contribute to making the world what it is. In a sense, it's like adding pieces to the puzzle. Every piece matters because without one there's a big f***ing hole ruining your puzzle.

 

The invention of the A-bomb was for the best. Had we never invented it; Japan would have entitled themselves the world leader. We couldn't have had that.

I live in Singapore,a country once conquerred by the japs, & my lineage is fron China,so I know the japs can't control us.

but the A-Bomb caused other countries to make them too & the Iraq War started because US think that Mid East is making them to crush US.

 

This is why public education is flawed. They teach you that violence is bad and only can possibly result in bad things.

 

Yes violence is bad, and we do believe that TERRORISTS in Iraq have WMDs. Not Iraq itself. In fact; we are trying our best to help Iraq and Iran. What we are trying to do is rid their places of terrorism. There is no war between us and Iraq.

 

The flaw of the war is that Iraq wants this chaos in their country to a point. They elected Hamas to be their government; which is the biggest anti-American terrorist organization there is. They just hide it from us.

 

We declared that If Iran attacks Israel, we will attack Iran.

 

Israel, just this week, declared that it is willing to attack Iran. To ensure the survival of Israel, they will need to bomb Iran within two years, before they can have enough enriched uranium to develop a fully functional atomic weapon.

 

It looks like we're not getting out of the middle east for a while.

[Willieh]

Agreed' date='the whites have done many atrocities to bring the states together.

They have treated themselves as the only superior beings there,disregarding the native americans,enslaving the blacks from Africa & so much more.

[b']Not to mention that it was USA who opened the gateway from the most dangerous weapons in production.[/b]

 

To start off; without all of this chaos ( or so you call it chaos ) the world wouldn't be as complete as it is today. We helped contribute to making the world what it is. In a sense, it's like adding pieces to the puzzle. Every piece matters because without one there's a big f***ing hole ruining your puzzle.

 

The invention of the A-bomb was for the best. Had we never invented it; Japan would have entitled themselves the world leader. We couldn't have had that.

I live in Singapore,a country once conquerred by the japs, & my lineage is fron China,so I know the japs can't control us.

but the A-Bomb caused other countries to make them too & the Iraq War started because US think that Mid East is making them to crush US.

 

This is why public education is flawed. They teach you that violence is bad and only can possibly result in bad things.

 

Yes violence is bad, and we do believe that TERRORISTS in Iraq have WMDs. Not Iraq itself. In fact; we are trying our best to help Iraq and Iran. What we are trying to do is rid their places of terrorism. There is no war between us and Iraq.

 

The flaw of the war is that Iraq wants this chaos in their country to a point. They elected Hamas to be their government; which is the biggest anti-American terrorist organization there is. They just hide it from us.

 

We declared that If Iran attacks Israel, we will attack Iran.

 

Israel, just this week, declared that it is willing to attack Iran. To ensure the survival of Israel, they will need to bomb Iran within two years, before they can have enough enriched uranium to develop a fully functional atomic weapon.

 

It looks like we're not getting out of the middle east for a while.

 

Meh...

 

Burn it down

 

If I hear anything about someone launching a bomb or nuclear missle anywhere I'm going to end it fast; cyanide pills.

 

Suicide would probably be the best case senario in that situation; besides there's only hell to pay.

[Static]

Agreed' date='the whites have done many atrocities to bring the states together.

They have treated themselves as the only superior beings there,disregarding the native americans,enslaving the blacks from Africa & so much more.

[b']Not to mention that it was USA who opened the gateway from the most dangerous weapons in production.[/b]

 

To start off; without all of this chaos ( or so you call it chaos ) the world wouldn't be as complete as it is today. We helped contribute to making the world what it is. In a sense, it's like adding pieces to the puzzle. Every piece matters because without one there's a big f***ing hole ruining your puzzle.

 

The invention of the A-bomb was for the best. Had we never invented it; Japan would have entitled themselves the world leader. We couldn't have had that.

I live in Singapore,a country once conquerred by the japs, & my lineage is fron China,so I know the japs can't control us.

but the A-Bomb caused other countries to make them too & the Iraq War started because US think that Mid East is making them to crush US.

 

This is why public education is flawed. They teach you that violence is bad and only can possibly result in bad things.

 

Yes violence is bad, and we do believe that TERRORISTS in Iraq have WMDs. Not Iraq itself. In fact; we are trying our best to help Iraq and Iran. What we are trying to do is rid their places of terrorism. There is no war between us and Iraq.

 

The flaw of the war is that Iraq wants this chaos in their country to a point. They elected Hamas to be their government; which is the biggest anti-American terrorist organization there is. They just hide it from us.

 

We declared that If Iran attacks Israel, we will attack Iran.

 

Israel, just this week, declared that it is willing to attack Iran. To ensure the survival of Israel, they will need to bomb Iran within two years, before they can have enough enriched uranium to develop a fully functional atomic weapon.

 

It looks like we're not getting out of the middle east for a while.

 

Meh...

 

Burn it down

 

If I hear anything about someone launching a bomb or nuclear missle anywhere I'm going to end it fast; cyanide pills.

 

Suicide would probably be the best case senario in that situation; besides there's only hell to pay.

 

Hell will be fun if we're in it together. We can just keep the free will argument going ;)