Willieh Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Basically (thanks to static for introducing me to this new youtuber) Dendrophillian and CousinoMacul have two videos. They are based on the emotions shame dissapointment and guilt. Dendrophillian argues that had another person not entered your life, or invoked these feelings, then you would have never had the feelings that you have. Basically a cycle of cause/effect. Without the cause-being the presented you with these emotions, there would be no effects-the emotions that you are experiencing. CousinoMacul argues that it is only you who can bring these emotions upon yourself. He says that cause/effect ultimately does take place; but it's only you who can make you feel the way you do. Basically that Guilt/dissapointment/shame are all the result of the way you percieve it. It had nothing to do with the other person, but rather your own self for creating these emotions you felt as the result. So how do you feel about it? Debate your feelings. I personally agree with dendrophilliac on this one, however I see where CousinoMacul could have the understanding of the situation that he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Dendro is the god of life. Worship him and believe everything he says. Love the accent, and the [not so] subtle Guinea pig sex jokes. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Even if some one invokes the emotions, you can just choose to suppress it. Only you yourself can truly unleash your emotions,no matter what. The people around you are just the triggers, while you yourself is the final key to everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Even if some one invokes the emotions' date=' you can just choose to suppress it. Only you yourself can truly unleash your emotions,no matter what. The people around you are just the triggers, while you yourself is the final key to everything.[/quote'] Wrong, because everything we envoke upon ourselves is envoked because something outside of us caused a change upon something inside of us, which made us envoke emotion. Nothing is created in the mind without being triggered from what has happened before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Even if some one invokes the emotions' date=' you can just choose to suppress it. Only you yourself can truly unleash your emotions,no matter what. The people around you are just the triggers, while you yourself is the final key to everything.[/quote'] Wrong, because everything we envoke upon ourselves is envoked because something outside of us caused a change upon something inside of us, which made us envoke emotion. Nothing is created in the mind without being triggered from what has happened before.but the end result is still our own choices,you can choose whenther or not you want to express it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Even if some one invokes the emotions' date=' you can just choose to suppress it. Only you yourself can truly unleash your emotions,no matter what. The people around you are just the triggers, while you yourself is the final key to everything.[/quote'] Wrong, because everything we envoke upon ourselves is envoked because something outside of us caused a change upon something inside of us, which made us envoke emotion. Nothing is created in the mind without being triggered from what has happened before.but the end result is still our own choices,you can choose whenther or not you want to express it. Free will does not exist. Period. Did you miss the whole argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sick4u Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Even if some one invokes the emotions' date=' you can just choose to suppress it. Only you yourself can truly unleash your emotions,no matter what. The people around you are just the triggers, while you yourself is the final key to everything.[/quote']Congratulations! Your opinion sucks. Raviel, you say even if someone invokes the emotions. That means that you're saying it happens outside of an individual level, meaning it's caused by something else. And then you go "Blah blah... We're the key..". Contradicting, don't cha think? Our reactions are determined by the emotions invoked by other people. Okay.. To explain..Imagine earth being an empty wasteland, with enough resources (Fruit, rain, etc.)to last one person for a life time.Their happens to be one person living on earth.Most would think this is a lonely position to be in..Which means this is a self-caused emotion..But..This one person has never, ever, known life on another level, besides his own.He is ignorant to the whole subject.Which means, he could never get lonely, never get disappointed, never feel guilt.. Because he couldn't feel these things since their is nothing else to invoke them upon him.It's the knowledge of knowing someone else with emotions and views against us that leads us to have emotions of our own.I think.=/.2sick~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Even if some one invokes the emotions' date=' you can just choose to suppress it. Only you yourself can truly unleash your emotions,no matter what. The people around you are just the triggers, while you yourself is the final key to everything.[/quote'] Wrong, because everything we envoke upon ourselves is envoked because something outside of us caused a change upon something inside of us, which made us envoke emotion. Nothing is created in the mind without being triggered from what has happened before.but the end result is still our own choices,you can choose whenther or not you want to express it. Free will does not exist. Period. Did you miss the whole argument?wrong.Free will does exists period square Why else would we do things?I don't believe we are bound by destiny or whatever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 My thoughts: They are both right; they are both wrong. There are flaws in CousinoMacul's argument as well as in Dendrophilian's argument. First with CousinoMacul. The emotions that you feel are provoked by something that happened prior to that feeling; I think we all can agree on that. Had the person who insulted me never been in the same room as me, I wouldn't be feeling those feelings right now. In fact, had CousinoMacul never made that video this thread wouldn't be here. For every effect there's at least one cause. In this case whoever provoked these feelings is the cause. And you can guess what the effect is. But in another sense; I will have to say once again that to every effect there is at least one or more causes. But it is us who perceives these things as being something bad. We base what's bad or good off of our own logic. Had no one ever told me the meaning of what he said at some point in my life; I would have taken no offense to it. However, seeing as my mind knew what those things meant; the result was these emotions. We bring it upon ourselves, deep within our minds, to determine what emotions are appropriate for what situations. I think they are both right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Even if some one invokes the emotions' date=' you can just choose to suppress it. Only you yourself can truly unleash your emotions,no matter what. The people around you are just the triggers, while you yourself is the final key to everything.[/quote'] Wrong, because everything we envoke upon ourselves is envoked because something outside of us caused a change upon something inside of us, which made us envoke emotion. Nothing is created in the mind without being triggered from what has happened before.but the end result is still our own choices,you can choose whenther or not you want to express it. Free will does not exist. Period. Did you miss the whole argument?wrong.Free will does exists period square Why else would we do things?I don't believe we are bound by destiny or whatever it is. Because you're ignorant enough to believe that free will exists. As far as I'm concerned, life is For The Lulz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sick4u Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Because you're ignorant enough to believe that free will exists. As far as I'm concerned' date=' life is For The Lulz.[/quote']Sig'd, but disagreed.We came from apes, so, what the hell, where's the lulz in that?.Life's for the unworthy, as they seem to be the only ones that take it.All 6.49 billion of em'. O.o. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Because you're ignorant enough to believe that free will exists. As far as I'm concerned' date=' life is For The Lulz.[/quote']Sig'd, but disagreed.We came from apes, so, what the hell, where's the lulz in that?.Life's for the unworthy, as they seem to be the only ones that take it.All 6.49 billion of em'. O.o. Free will does exist; from a point of view. Really it depends on what exactly your definition of free will is. From my point of view, free will is the fact that you are presented with an option, be it predetermined which choice you select or not. Lol as far as the meaning of life goes, I think Dendrophilian pretty much pwned all the other responses for the meaning of life. "There is no objective purpose for our existance, only subjective purposes inside our heads." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoshIcy Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 I agree with CousinoMacul because then you couldn't place your blame on others for your actions and feelings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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