India and China - Growing too fast?

[HelioSpark]

These two countries, India and China, have the highest populations in he world. India is one of the fastest growing in the world, it's economy is epanding rapidly, but the majority of it's citizens still live well below the poverty line. China's oil consumption is nearing that of the U.S., and some say it has even passed us. Peasants and farmers are moving into big cities to search for wealth....but some find that there still isn't enough money to go around.

 

Some times it seems like these countries are actually having a hard time keeping up with themselves......they are speeding up global warming, creating more and more poor people who the world just can't support. Both countries also take jobs away from people in the west, causing poverty elsewhere too.

 

However, they are also needed. Without their production of goods, the world would never function.

 

What should be done to aid these behemoth countries? Should we leave them alone, and let them destroy themselves? Or shoulld we take action? If so.....what could be done?

 

Also, what is your opinion of these countries as a whole.

[DOTDK]

I agree China and India are growing too fast and there producing too much

CO2. In China the Government will only hear people that bring econimical successes to the country, the people that care about the world there are just being ignored.

[Willieh]

These two countries' date=' India and China, have the highest populations in he world. India is one of the fastest growing in the world, it's economy is epanding rapidly, but the majority of it's citizens still live well below the poverty line. China's oil consumption is nearing that of the U.S., and some say it has even passed us. Peasants and farmers are moving into big cities to search for wealth....but some find that there still isn't enough money to go around.

 

Some times it seems like these countries are actually having a hard time keeping up with themselves......[b']they are speeding up global warming, creating more and more poor people who the world just can't support[/b]. Both countries also take jobs away from people in the west, causing poverty elsewhere too.

 

However, they are also needed. Without their production of goods, the world would never function.

 

What should be done to aid these behemoth countries? Should we leave them alone, and let them destroy themselves? Or shoulld we take action? If so.....what could be done?

 

Also, what is your opinion of these countries as a whole.

 

I'm not really sure why Global Warming would have this much of an effect on our economical world. :|

 

Whatever we do, we should not take action. Last time we took action everybody made us a bad guy and pretty much made us look like bastards.

 

As a whole...I don't particularly like China. India I'm okay with but China is just...off...:|

[Pikachu]

oi! don't dare say that! *whines*

China and India's population is massive yes, it's quite poor yes, but without China, the world won't function properly, even the history is great

I don't see a problem with the chinese economy

[Willieh]

oi! don't dare say that! *whines*

China and India's population is massive yes' date=' it's quite poor yes, but without China, the world won't function properly, even the history is great

I don't see a problem with the chinese economy

[/quote']

 

The world would function fine without China. :| It's not like they invented everything; they just sell us products for cheaper prices.

[「tea.leaf」]

^ lol, say hi to massively more expensive manufactured goods.

 

That, combined with the US' gradually stalling economy, is not going to do anyone any good.

 

The problem with China is that the industry is more worried about money than the environment. You can't really expect the government to do that much about things right now, especially since they've been occupied with hosting the Olympics and all the politics in Tibet. Frankly, to China's government, there are just more "important" things than the environment, and being a utilitarian state, "unimportant" things are quickly left in disregard.

 

Poverty will get better, and after this generation, there's going to be a lot less "poor people," as Wombat crudely puts. The industries are providing massive employment opportunities, it's just up to the people to take them. You have give things time, poverty doesn't disappear overnight. Given a few more years, more strict working standards will come about, just like during the Industrial Shifts in the 19th century. China is going through its industrialization stage right now, so you just have to give it time, and be patient.

 

In case you thought that was a tl;dr, here are the main points:

• 1. The environmental issues will get better once the government is freed up and the industrialization process matures.
  2. Poverty will decrease, with the rapid expansion of industries providing labor.
  3. Population will decrease, with the passing of this generation.
  4. Work environments will improve, once the industrialization process matures.

[Jerry OldMaster]

oi! don't dare say that! *whines*

China and India's population is massive yes' date=' it's quite poor yes, but without China, the world won't function properly, even the history is great

I don't see a problem with the chinese economy

[/quote']

 

The world would function fine without China. :| It's not like they invented everything; they just sell us products for cheaper prices.

 

They did invent a lot, tho. China is an important link in the economy, just cuz of the very reason you mentioned.

A crisis or two might actually happen.

I am very glad China exist, and more importantly, EXISTED. Just try and imagine the history without China. I mean, there are countless factors why without China, parts of the worls would have gone to other directions. One of these factors is war. other is the separation of China from the rest of the world. This meant that China itself became some kind of separation between countries.

 

I have a lot of respect for China. Lil' bit less for India.

[2sick4u]

oi! don't dare say that! *whines*

China and India's population is massive yes' date=' it's quite poor yes, but without China, the world won't function properly, even the history is great

I don't see a problem with the chinese economy

[/quote']

 

The world would function fine without China. :| It's not like they invented everything; they just sell us products for cheaper prices.

 

They did invent a lot, tho. China is an important link in the economy, just cuz of the very reason you mentioned.

A crisis or two might actually happen.

I am very glad China exist, and more importantly, EXISTED. Just try and imagine the history without China. I mean, there are countless factors why without China, parts of the worls would have gone to other directions. One of these factors is war. other is the separation of China from the rest of the world. This meant that China itself became some kind of separation between countries.

 

I have a lot of respect for China. Lil' bit less for India.

China's also piss poor in keeping the world alive.

The industrial state they're in is insane.

Seriously, pollution's there to the level that where ever you are, it looks like there's a fog. =/. Tis gross.

Plus, most of China's poor as heck. Like, rural China. Cities like Beijing being excluded, China's probably pretty equal to India in things like Child Trafficking and.. Well, not poverty, but it'd be close.

Also.

China=Full of men. In about 50 years or so.

The one child rule will lead to an outbreak of male offspring, since people would want to keep the family name alive, leading to even more global migration.

China's killing the world, and can really, really be lived without.

:).

[Wyhe]

I don't know about India, but the Chinese economy & population are growing fast.

The Chinese system has grown to the point where they are now important to the world economy.

This must be preserved for if China fails, so will the world soon after.

To deal the population problem, they even imposed on the "single child" law on the nation.

[2sick4u]

I don't know about India' date=' but the Chinese economy & population are growing fast.

The Chinese system has grown to the point where they are now important to the world economy.

This must be preserved for if China fails, so will the world soon after.

To deal the population problem, they even imposed on the "single child" law on the nation.

[/quote']

You know, 1 child still means Current Population+(Current population x 0.5)=New population.

That makes 1 billion 1.5 billion in a matter of 2 years. 1.5 billion then becomes 2.25 billion, and keeps on expanding.

No, China's population cannot be contained.

China as a whole provides industrial value, but doesn't provide anything else.

We could live without Chinese industrial services. It wouldn't end the world. -_-".

The failing of China would leave the world better of, with better Ecological standings and freaking hell, better olympic cities.

Besides, China needs to break the law less.

Rural parts of China suck, and can be lived without on a massive level.

[Death Metal]

Yes they are growing too fast and this might cause problems in the near future if the government doesn't do anything about it. We need to adapt to fit the growing needs of the world's population. If we do not then the world as we know it will suffer.

[Silencerleader]

Yes they are growing too fast and this might cause problems in the near future if the government doesn't do anything about it. We need to adapt to fit the growing needs of the world's population. If we do not then the world as we know it will suffer.

 

Global Hunger/Famine/ETC.

We need to either fix the problem or stop it.

[2sick4u]

Yes they are growing too fast and this might cause problems in the near future if the government doesn't do anything about it. We need to adapt to fit the growing needs of the world's population. If we do not then the world as we know it will suffer.

 

Global Hunger/Famine/ETC.

We need to either fix the problem or stop it.

Uhh.. Yeah.. You know that fixing the problem is stopping it?

Anyway.

Death Metal.

We cannot adapt to the needs as a growing population.

Our adaption would involve evolution on a mass scale.

Since in order for the population to be co-operated with, Earth must be equipped with resources that can cope with that amount of demand.

Ie: 1L of fresh water per person.

An increase in population causes substantial pressure on resources,

be it oil, water, food, wood, cows, who cares.

So, it's either we evolve, to the point were our bodies can sustain themselves without constant short-term usage of water, or we continue populating, mine out the world, and die.

That, or get rid of China. :D.

You decide.

[「tea.leaf」]

DID NO ONE READ MY POST?

^ lol' date=' say hi to massively more expensive manufactured goods.

 

That, combined with the US' gradually stalling economy, is not going to do anyone any good.

 

The problem with China is that the industry is more worried about money than the environment. You can't really expect the government to do that much about things right now, especially since they've been occupied with hosting the Olympics and all the politics in Tibet. Frankly, to China's government, there are just more "important" things than the environment, and being a utilitarian state, "unimportant" things are quickly left in disregard.

 

Poverty will get better, and after this generation, there's going to be a lot less "poor people," as Wombat crudely puts. The industries are providing massive employment opportunities, it's just up to the people to take them. You have give things time, poverty doesn't disappear overnight. Given a few more years, more strict working standards will come about, just like during the Industrial Shifts in the 19th century. China is going through its industrialization stage right now, so you just have to give it time, and be patient.

 

In case you thought that was a tl;dr, here are the main points:[list']1. The environmental issues will get better once the government is freed up and the industrialization process matures.

2. Poverty will decrease, with the rapid expansion of industries providing labor.

3. Population will decrease, with the passing of this generation.

4. Work environments will improve, once the industrialization process matures.

 

To continue with my previous point, look at the factories during the Industrial Revolution. Why are you NOT complaining about THOSE factories? They were ALL burning coal, piping SHITLOADS of carbon dioxide, sulfuric acids, and who-knows-what into the air! And it wasn't just one country, it was ALL OVER THE WESTERN WORLD. China missed the boat back then when it was okay to be funking with the environment, but now it's catching up. YOU CAN'T EXPECT CLEAN FACTORIES TO JUST SUDDENLY POP-UP IN CHINA, no more than you can expect that to happen during the 19th century. Change takes time, give China a funking CHANCE to TURN ITSELF AROUND. Last time I read, the Western Industrial Revolution lasted a funk LOT LONGER THAN JUST TWENTY YEARS. China is ALREADY KICKING ITS OWN ASS trying to cram several CENTURIES WORTH of development into such a short time. What the hell do you want from them?!

 

funk, if you want to get rid of a country so badly, GET RID OF THE U.S.A. This country wastes so much sheet it's funking MIND-NUMBING. And WHAT is America DOING to advance itself? WHAT is America DOING to advance its people? WHAT is America DOING to advance others? Of all the "first-world" countries, America is PRETTY FAR DOWN the list.

 

Some times it seems like these countries are actually having a hard time keeping up with themselves......they are speeding up global warming' date=' creating more and more poor people who the world just can't support[/b']. Both countries also take jobs away from people in the west, causing poverty elsewhere too.

 

First of all, global warming is probably a load of bullshit, but that's another discussion.

 

Second, if you want to talk about "poor people," take a gander at AFRICA; not only are the people poor, they've got medical issues, social issues, political issues, and practically no industry to speak of. Africa is the SICK CHILD of the world. If you've got the time and energy to waste on Africa, then CHINA isn't NEARLY a problem.

 

Thirdly, it's a little magical thing called CAPITALISM. That's why Joe lost his job last week, that's why that company shut down a month ago, and that's why China is on an ECONOMICAL RAMPAGE of a growth spurt. The West can NO LONGER COMPETE, so it's their OWN FAULT that they're LOSING JOBS BY THE MILLIONS. Your dad got laid off from his FACTORY JOB? Too BAD, because some girl in China can do the same job for A QUARTER OF THE PAY. When you can't compete with the prices, YOU LOSE, and if you have no other alternative and fall into poverty, TOO BAD. It's like BLAMING CD's for cassettes failing to COMPETE as a more compact and efficient storage media.

[2sick4u]

DID NO ONE READ MY POST?

^ lol' date=' say hi to massively more expensive manufactured goods.

 

That, combined with the US' gradually stalling economy, is not going to do anyone any good.

 

The problem with China is that the industry is more worried about money than the environment. You can't really expect the government to do that much about things right now, especially since they've been occupied with hosting the Olympics and all the politics in Tibet. Frankly, to China's government, there are just more "important" things than the environment, and being a utilitarian state, "unimportant" things are quickly left in disregard.

 

Poverty will get better, and after this generation, there's going to be a lot less "poor people," as Wombat crudely puts. The industries are providing massive employment opportunities, it's just up to the people to take them. You have give things time, poverty doesn't disappear overnight. Given a few more years, more strict working standards will come about, just like during the Industrial Shifts in the 19th century. China is going through its industrialization stage right now, so you just have to give it time, and be patient.

 

In case you thought that was a tl;dr, here are the main points:[list']1. The environmental issues will get better once the government is freed up and the industrialization process matures.

2. Poverty will decrease, with the rapid expansion of industries providing labor.

3. Population will decrease, with the passing of this generation.

4. Work environments will improve, once the industrialization process matures.

 

To continue with my previous point, look at the factories during the Industrial Revolution. Why are you NOT complaining about THOSE factories? They were ALL burning coal, piping SHITLOADS of carbon dioxide, sulfuric acids, and who-knows-what into the air! And it wasn't just one country, it was ALL OVER THE WESTERN WORLD. China missed the boat back then when it was okay to be f***ing with the environment, but now it's catching up. YOU CAN'T EXPECT CLEAN FACTORIES TO JUST SUDDENLY POP-UP IN CHINA, no more than you can expect that to happen during the 19th century. Change takes time, give China a f***ing CHANCE to TURN ITSELF AROUND. Last time I read, the Western Industrial Revolution lasted a f*** LOT LONGER THAN JUST TWENTY YEARS. China is ALREADY KICKING ITS OWN ASS trying to cram several CENTURIES WORTH of development into such a short time. What the hell do you want from them?!

 

f***, if you want to get rid of a country so badly, GET RID OF THE U.S.A. This country wastes so much s*** it's f***ing MIND-NUMBING. And WHAT is America DOING to advance itself? WHAT is America DOING to advance its people? WHAT is America DOING to advance others? Of all the "first-world" countries, America is PRETTY FAR DOWN the list.

 

Some times it seems like these countries are actually having a hard time keeping up with themselves......they are speeding up global warming' date=' creating more and more poor people who the world just can't support[/b']. Both countries also take jobs away from people in the west, causing poverty elsewhere too.

 

First of all, global warming is probably a load of bullshit, but that's another discussion.

 

Second, if you want to talk about "poor people," take a gander at AFRICA; not only are the people poor, they've got medical issues, social issues, political issues, and practically no industry to speak of. Africa is the SICK CHILD of the world. If you've got the time and energy to waste on Africa, then CHINA isn't NEARLY a problem.

 

Thirdly, it's a little magical thing called CAPITALISM. That's why Joe lost his job last week, that's why that company shut down a month ago, and that's why China is on an ECONOMICAL RAMPAGE of a growth spurt. The West can NO LONGER COMPETE, so it's their OWN FAULT that they're LOSING JOBS BY THE MILLIONS. Your dad got laid off from his FACTORY JOB? Too BAD, because some girl in China can do the same job for A QUARTER OF THE PAY. When you can't compete with the prices, YOU LOSE, and if you have no other alternative and fall into poverty, TOO BAD. It's like BLAMING CD's for cassettes failing to COMPETE as a more compact and efficient storage media.

Holly crap, someone got feisty.

 

I can say everyone read your post, but it's.. Too well stuck together to counter?

I mean, I was thinking about it, but I was afraid you'd do what you just did. O.o.

Guess I'll give it a go now..

.. Yeah, your views on China "catching up" are profound and.. Well, great, but still, letting something phase through something that something else did a long time ago is flawed. It's like saying.. "Oh wow, Justin, you know that the Roman empire collapsed a long time ago.. You can't just carry around a sword and challenge people to join you or die, legally, that is." "ME: Dude, shut up, I'm trying to catch up with what happened earlier, you know, get my share."

Letting China bury itself knee deep in Environmental turd, and then let it pull itself out is just a waste, and lazy, way to co-operate with it. The damage done during that time is irreversible, while the damage planned to be done is preventable. Point being, if you stop it, whatever bad can come out of it is avoided, however, if you let it fix itself, the damage remains apparent, albeit with a better society at the worlds hands.

Okay, so, saying that China is allowed to follow through with it's industrial expansion, and then help itself out of it, whose to say countries that are sound like Australia wouldn't do the same? I mean, Australia, at least, when I read about it, wasn't in the Industrial Revolution. Whose to say Australia wouldn't evolve excessively like China?

My point being, Australia would be doing more damage to an already damaged world. The catch-up phase, though it could be deemed as necessary for industrial evolution, causes more negative things than positive ones. Our world cannot take this Evolution in industry, as we're but animals. Survival is essentially just food and water. We don't need all of this Industrial expansion. It's a want, not a need.

=].

Just throwing my two cents on "The greater good" in there.

:D.

Decimate me if you feel necessary.

Oh, and for the heck of it, the view on people losing there jobs to more cheaper folk is true.

I mean, people, instead of complaining about those working for 1/4 of the price, should make themselves worth the extra money. Work to the point were someone of an immigrant nature cannot replace the job that you do.

=/.

That, or get a better job. =D.

[Willieh]

Oh' date=' and for the heck of it, the view on people losing there jobs to more cheaper folk is true.

[b']I mean, people, instead of complaining about those working for 1/4 of someone of an immigrant nature cannot replace the job that you do.the price, should make themselves worth the extra money. Work to the point were [/b]

=/.

That, or get a better job. =D.

:|...

 

If you've ever actually experienced the aftermath of somebody taking your job, maybe you would think differently. The job market isn't exactly large enought to just go out and get a job if you want one. People fail to realise that it's not only you that is applying for the job, but several others as well. Not to mention the fact that there aren't even many jobs anyway.

 

 

 

 

On another note. Those saying that china is so extremely valuable to the world, stfu. They aren't any more valuable to the world than the next country. They might sell us cheaper stuff, but they also ruin our economy. Sure, they make a substantial difference to the world, but we wouldn't all be dying without them.

[2sick4u]

Oh' date=' and for the heck of it, the view on people losing there jobs to more cheaper folk is true.

[b']I mean, people, instead of complaining about those working for 1/4 of someone of an immigrant nature cannot replace the job that you do.the price, should make themselves worth the extra money. Work to the point were [/b]

=/.

That, or get a better job. =D.

:|...

 

If you've ever actually experienced the aftermath of somebody taking your job, maybe you would think differently. The job market isn't exactly large enought to just go out and get a job if you want one. People fail to realise that it's not only you that is applying for the job, but several others as well. Not to mention the fact that there aren't even many jobs anyway.

 

 

On another note. Those saying that china is so extremely valuable to the world, stfu. They aren't any more valuable to the world than the next country. They might sell us cheaper stuff, but they also ruin our economy. Sure, they make a substantial difference to the world, but we wouldn't all be dying without them.

OMFGQTF.

You posted again.

I'm..So.. Happy.. :D.

Okay.

Well, yeah, I did say it like a douche.

Losing a job is devastating in some ways, especially if your not the only one you're trying to support.

But, another motion is they could do more than whine about it afterwards.

Working harder=Job security.

There's more efficient things that can be done rather than complaining that your job was siphoned of to an immigrant for 1/4 of the price. Like, Trying to get another job, and if successful, work to the point were you become to much of an asset to lose.

Tis all I was saying, is that the only real way to combat it is to either work for less than them, or make yourself worth the extra money.

=/.

As for the rest, I agree completely.

=].

(Oh, is it just me, or did the bolded part of your quote of me get completely jumbled? O.o.)

[「tea.leaf」]

DID NO ONE READ MY POST?

^ lol' date=' say hi to massively more expensive manufactured goods.

 

That, combined with the US' gradually stalling economy, is not going to do anyone any good.

 

The problem with China is that the industry is more worried about money than the environment. You can't really expect the government to do that much about things right now, especially since they've been occupied with hosting the Olympics and all the politics in Tibet. Frankly, to China's government, there are just more "important" things than the environment, and being a utilitarian state, "unimportant" things are quickly left in disregard.

 

Poverty will get better, and after this generation, there's going to be a lot less "poor people," as Wombat crudely puts. The industries are providing massive employment opportunities, it's just up to the people to take them. You have give things time, poverty doesn't disappear overnight. Given a few more years, more strict working standards will come about, just like during the Industrial Shifts in the 19th century. China is going through its industrialization stage right now, so you just have to give it time, and be patient.

 

In case you thought that was a tl;dr, here are the main points:[list']1. The environmental issues will get better once the government is freed up and the industrialization process matures.

2. Poverty will decrease, with the rapid expansion of industries providing labor.

3. Population will decrease, with the passing of this generation.

4. Work environments will improve, once the industrialization process matures.

 

To continue with my previous point, look at the factories during the Industrial Revolution. Why are you NOT complaining about THOSE factories? They were ALL burning coal, piping SHITLOADS of carbon dioxide, sulfuric acids, and who-knows-what into the air! And it wasn't just one country, it was ALL OVER THE WESTERN WORLD. China missed the boat back then when it was okay to be f***ing with the environment, but now it's catching up. YOU CAN'T EXPECT CLEAN FACTORIES TO JUST SUDDENLY POP-UP IN CHINA, no more than you can expect that to happen during the 19th century. Change takes time, give China a f***ing CHANCE to TURN ITSELF AROUND. Last time I read, the Western Industrial Revolution lasted a f*** LOT LONGER THAN JUST TWENTY YEARS. China is ALREADY KICKING ITS OWN ASS trying to cram several CENTURIES WORTH of development into such a short time. What the hell do you want from them?!

 

f***, if you want to get rid of a country so badly, GET RID OF THE U.S.A. This country wastes so much s*** it's f***ing MIND-NUMBING. And WHAT is America DOING to advance itself? WHAT is America DOING to advance its people? WHAT is America DOING to advance others? Of all the "first-world" countries, America is PRETTY FAR DOWN the list.

 

Some times it seems like these countries are actually having a hard time keeping up with themselves......they are speeding up global warming' date=' creating more and more poor people who the world just can't support[/b']. Both countries also take jobs away from people in the west, causing poverty elsewhere too.

 

First of all, global warming is probably a load of bullshit, but that's another discussion.

 

Second, if you want to talk about "poor people," take a gander at AFRICA; not only are the people poor, they've got medical issues, social issues, political issues, and practically no industry to speak of. Africa is the SICK CHILD of the world. If you've got the time and energy to waste on Africa, then CHINA isn't NEARLY a problem.

 

Thirdly, it's a little magical thing called CAPITALISM. That's why Joe lost his job last week, that's why that company shut down a month ago, and that's why China is on an ECONOMICAL RAMPAGE of a growth spurt. The West can NO LONGER COMPETE, so it's their OWN FAULT that they're LOSING JOBS BY THE MILLIONS. Your dad got laid off from his FACTORY JOB? Too BAD, because some girl in China can do the same job for A QUARTER OF THE PAY. When you can't compete with the prices, YOU LOSE, and if you have no other alternative and fall into poverty, TOO BAD. It's like BLAMING CD's for cassettes failing to COMPETE as a more compact and efficient storage media.

Holly crap, someone got feisty.

 

I can say everyone read your post, but it's.. Too well stuck together to counter?

I mean, I was thinking about it, but I was afraid you'd do what you just did. O.o.

Guess I'll give it a go now..

.. Yeah, your views on China "catching up" are profound and.. Well, great, but still, letting something phase through something that something else did a long time ago is flawed. It's like saying.. "Oh wow, Justin, you know that the Roman empire collapsed a long time ago.. You can't just carry around a sword and challenge people to join you or die, legally, that is." "ME: Dude, shut up, I'm trying to catch up with what happened earlier, you know, get my share."

Letting China bury itself knee deep in Environmental turd, and then let it pull itself out is just a waste, and lazy, way to co-operate with it. The damage done during that time is irreversible, while the damage planned to be done is preventable. Point being, if you stop it, whatever bad can come out of it is avoided, however, if you let it fix itself, the damage remains apparent, albeit with a better society at the worlds hands.

Okay, so, saying that China is allowed to follow through with it's industrial expansion, and then help itself out of it, whose to say countries that are sound like Australia wouldn't do the same? I mean, Australia, at least, when I read about it, wasn't in the Industrial Revolution. Whose to say Australia wouldn't evolve excessively like China?

My point being, Australia would be doing more damage to an already damaged world. The catch-up phase, though it could be deemed as necessary for industrial evolution, causes more negative things than positive ones. Our world cannot take this Evolution in industry, as we're but animals. Survival is essentially just food and water. We don't need all of this Industrial expansion. It's a want, not a need.

=].

Just throwing my two cents on "The greater good" in there.

:D.

Decimate me if you feel necessary.

Oh, and for the heck of it, the view on people losing there jobs to more cheaper folk is true.

I mean, people, instead of complaining about those working for 1/4 of the price, should make themselves worth the extra money. Work to the point were someone of an immigrant nature cannot replace the job that you do.

=/.

That, or get a better job. =D.

Your use of Australia is a terrible and irrelevant example. Australia (as far has I know) DOES have industry; they've had it throughout the 20th century. China, on the other hand, hasn't had ANY industry in 20th century, until the economic reforms the seventies and eighties.

 

China has had no experience with this stuff before, and they've barely been in the game for thirty years. In the grand scheme of development, that's a VERY short amount of time. The worst part about this is that the majority of the western world has IGNORED China during its earliest developmental stages. The U.S. was still doing that RED SCARE crap.

 

So now you turn around to criticize a nation that has had no experience, received no outside assistance, and only gone through its EARLIEST stages? And suddenly you want to wipe China off of the face of the planet? That's a bit IRRESPONSIBLE, don't you think?! That's like wanting to KILL A CHILD, because that child has NEVER had experience, NEVER had help, and is TRYING to SURVIVE and EXCEL in a world that, for the VAST MAJORITY of its modern existence, HATED ITS GUTS?

 

China doesn't KNOW ANY BETTER, and NO ONE has bothered to EVER REACH OUT. It's a funking LEARNING PROCESS. If you people aren't going to help, then let them do it THEIR OWN WAY. Just sitting there in your plush chairs at home and telling China to GET THE funk OFF OF THIS PLANET is not going to do ANYTHING.

 

Besides, in today's economy, if China slows down AT ALL to reconsider their industrialization process, it might end up biting them in the ass. China is going strong, and until China has reached a safe place when things have slowed down a bit, they will NOT consider something as trivial as the environment.

 

Also, in the whole grand scheme of the planet, Earth has gone A LOT WORSE sheet than China pumping some more gases into the air and dropping liquids into the water. Nature is strong enough to make the funking HIMALAYAS, it's certainly strong enough to pull itself out of this corn hole.

 

George Carlin will help emphasis my point:

[Willieh]

Second' date=' if you want to talk about "poor people," take a gander at AFRICA; not only are the people poor, they've got medical issues, social issues, political issues, and practically no industry to speak of. Africa is the SICK CHILD of the world. If you've got the time and energy to waste on Africa, then CHINA isn't NEARLY a problem.

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I'm probably going to get flamed to death about this; but Africa...is...stupid. That's not a racist comment, because I don't hate Africans. I'm just saying that they aren't a very smart nation.

 

I'll leave it at this, they are a very rich nation in natural resource, but they are mostly poor...as hell.

 

Seriously, China is a problem. Not the people of China, but China as a whole.

[CeDeFiA]

Well, no one knows what they are going to do unless they live in those countries but we could still guess.

 

I think that some people are actualyl going to go out and actually search for oil by digging and digging.

As Womabt said, they are rather large and growing countries, so within that land, I bet someone could spring a leak of oil or even more.

 

So that they don't come barging over to America and use up what we have left.

[2sick4u]

DID NO ONE READ MY POST?

^ lol' date=' say hi to massively more expensive manufactured goods.

 

That, combined with the US' gradually stalling economy, is not going to do anyone any good.

 

The problem with China is that the industry is more worried about money than the environment. You can't really expect the government to do that much about things right now, especially since they've been occupied with hosting the Olympics and all the politics in Tibet. Frankly, to China's government, there are just more "important" things than the environment, and being a utilitarian state, "unimportant" things are quickly left in disregard.

 

Poverty will get better, and after this generation, there's going to be a lot less "poor people," as Wombat crudely puts. The industries are providing massive employment opportunities, it's just up to the people to take them. You have give things time, poverty doesn't disappear overnight. Given a few more years, more strict working standards will come about, just like during the Industrial Shifts in the 19th century. China is going through its industrialization stage right now, so you just have to give it time, and be patient.

 

In case you thought that was a tl;dr, here are the main points:[list']1. The environmental issues will get better once the government is freed up and the industrialization process matures.

2. Poverty will decrease, with the rapid expansion of industries providing labor.

3. Population will decrease, with the passing of this generation.

4. Work environments will improve, once the industrialization process matures.

 

To continue with my previous point, look at the factories during the Industrial Revolution. Why are you NOT complaining about THOSE factories? They were ALL burning coal, piping SHITLOADS of carbon dioxide, sulfuric acids, and who-knows-what into the air! And it wasn't just one country, it was ALL OVER THE WESTERN WORLD. China missed the boat back then when it was okay to be f***ing with the environment, but now it's catching up. YOU CAN'T EXPECT CLEAN FACTORIES TO JUST SUDDENLY POP-UP IN CHINA, no more than you can expect that to happen during the 19th century. Change takes time, give China a f***ing CHANCE to TURN ITSELF AROUND. Last time I read, the Western Industrial Revolution lasted a f*** LOT LONGER THAN JUST TWENTY YEARS. China is ALREADY KICKING ITS OWN ASS trying to cram several CENTURIES WORTH of development into such a short time. What the hell do you want from them?!

 

f***, if you want to get rid of a country so badly, GET RID OF THE U.S.A. This country wastes so much s*** it's f***ing MIND-NUMBING. And WHAT is America DOING to advance itself? WHAT is America DOING to advance its people? WHAT is America DOING to advance others? Of all the "first-world" countries, America is PRETTY FAR DOWN the list.

 

Some times it seems like these countries are actually having a hard time keeping up with themselves......they are speeding up global warming' date=' creating more and more poor people who the world just can't support[/b']. Both countries also take jobs away from people in the west, causing poverty elsewhere too.

 

First of all, global warming is probably a load of bullshit, but that's another discussion.

 

Second, if you want to talk about "poor people," take a gander at AFRICA; not only are the people poor, they've got medical issues, social issues, political issues, and practically no industry to speak of. Africa is the SICK CHILD of the world. If you've got the time and energy to waste on Africa, then CHINA isn't NEARLY a problem.

 

Thirdly, it's a little magical thing called CAPITALISM. That's why Joe lost his job last week, that's why that company shut down a month ago, and that's why China is on an ECONOMICAL RAMPAGE of a growth spurt. The West can NO LONGER COMPETE, so it's their OWN FAULT that they're LOSING JOBS BY THE MILLIONS. Your dad got laid off from his FACTORY JOB? Too BAD, because some girl in China can do the same job for A QUARTER OF THE PAY. When you can't compete with the prices, YOU LOSE, and if you have no other alternative and fall into poverty, TOO BAD. It's like BLAMING CD's for cassettes failing to COMPETE as a more compact and efficient storage media.

Holly crap, someone got feisty.

 

I can say everyone read your post, but it's.. Too well stuck together to counter?

I mean, I was thinking about it, but I was afraid you'd do what you just did. O.o.

Guess I'll give it a go now..

.. Yeah, your views on China "catching up" are profound and.. Well, great, but still, letting something phase through something that something else did a long time ago is flawed. It's like saying.. "Oh wow, Justin, you know that the Roman empire collapsed a long time ago.. You can't just carry around a sword and challenge people to join you or die, legally, that is." "ME: Dude, shut up, I'm trying to catch up with what happened earlier, you know, get my share."

Letting China bury itself knee deep in Environmental turd, and then let it pull itself out is just a waste, and lazy, way to co-operate with it. The damage done during that time is irreversible, while the damage planned to be done is preventable. Point being, if you stop it, whatever bad can come out of it is avoided, however, if you let it fix itself, the damage remains apparent, albeit with a better society at the worlds hands.

Okay, so, saying that China is allowed to follow through with it's industrial expansion, and then help itself out of it, whose to say countries that are sound like Australia wouldn't do the same? I mean, Australia, at least, when I read about it, wasn't in the Industrial Revolution. Whose to say Australia wouldn't evolve excessively like China?

My point being, Australia would be doing more damage to an already damaged world. The catch-up phase, though it could be deemed as necessary for industrial evolution, causes more negative things than positive ones. Our world cannot take this Evolution in industry, as we're but animals. Survival is essentially just food and water. We don't need all of this Industrial expansion. It's a want, not a need.

=].

Just throwing my two cents on "The greater good" in there.

:D.

Decimate me if you feel necessary.

Oh, and for the heck of it, the view on people losing there jobs to more cheaper folk is true.

I mean, people, instead of complaining about those working for 1/4 of the price, should make themselves worth the extra money. Work to the point were someone of an immigrant nature cannot replace the job that you do.

=/.

That, or get a better job. =D.

Your use of Australia is a terrible and irrelevant example. Australia (as far has I know) DOES have industry; they've had it throughout the 20th century. China, on the other hand, hasn't had ANY industry in 20th century, until the economic reforms the seventies and eighties.

 

China has had no experience with this stuff before, and they've barely been in the game for thirty years. In the grand scheme of development, that's a VERY short amount of time. The worst part about this is that the majority of the western world has IGNORED China during its earliest developmental stages. The U.S. was still doing that RED SCARE crap.

 

So now you turn around to criticize a nation that has had no experience, received no outside assistance, and only gone through its EARLIEST stages? And suddenly you want to wipe China off of the face of the planet? That's a bit IRRESPONSIBLE, don't you think?! That's like wanting to KILL A CHILD, because that child has NEVER had experience, NEVER had help, and is TRYING to SURVIVE and EXCEL in a world that, for the VAST MAJORITY of its modern existence, HATED ITS GUTS?

 

China doesn't KNOW ANY BETTER, and NO ONE has bothered to EVER REACH OUT. It's a f***ing LEARNING PROCESS. If you people aren't going to help, then let them do it THEIR OWN WAY. Just sitting there in your plush chairs at home and telling China to GET THE f*** OFF OF THIS PLANET is not going to do ANYTHING.

 

Besides, in today's economy, if China slows down AT ALL to reconsider their industrialization process, it might end up biting them in the ass. China is going strong, and until China has reached a safe place when things have slowed down a bit, they will NOT consider something as trivial as the environment.

 

Also, in the whole grand scheme of the planet, Earth has gone A LOT WORSE s*** than China pumping some more gases into the air and dropping liquids into the water. Nature is strong enough to make the f***ing HIMALAYAS, it's certainly strong enough to pull itself out of this corn hole.

 

George Carlin will help emphasis my point:

Firstly, I absolutely knew that was going to happen.

Anyway.

I.. Guess I concur, China deserves it's chance.

But part of me still believes that if China's chance was avoided, the world will be.. Cleaner.

=/.

Lol. I knew Australia was a piss poor example, but eh, I thought the revolution was a piss poor argument. :D.

Either way, I'm pretty certain I got shut down. O.o.

[「tea.leaf」]

^ When you put it like that, the whole planet would be better off without humans.

[Willieh]

^ When you put it like that' date=' the whole planet would be better off without humans.

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It really would honestly. We've had a worse impact on earth than a good one (however I don't fully believe the "Global Warming" theory).

[CeDeFiA]

Well, it might be....

No cars

No pollution

No Littering

 

We did alot to make this world bad, but we did alot to make it good in return.

[「tea.leaf」]

^ When you put it like that' date=' the whole planet would be better off without humans.

[/quote']

 

It really would honestly. We've had a worse impact on earth than a good one (however I don't fully believe the "Global Warming" theory).

 

True that.

 

I think George Carlin really nailed it in his sketch. XD