Perfect Society

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Where can i get a copy of that book?

 

I got mine at the Holocaust memorial in DC, but you can get it at any book store. Barns and Noble?

[Silencerleader]

Where can i get a copy of that book?

 

I got mine at the Holocaust memorial in DC' date=' but you can get it at any book store. Barns and Noble?

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Good book is good.

About $12.

[Willieh]

TO EVERYONE WHO SAID "THE GIVER" IN THEIR POST' date=' HAVE YOU EVER READ BRAVE NEW WORLD?[/size']

 

The Giver gives a negative bias of this perfect society, to suit Westernized thinking. Lois Lowrey and George Orwell are both anti-Utopian writiers, and their works cannot be cited for valid argument point if you are judging by the bias given off by the book.

 

Brave New World gives a much more descriptive view, and lacks the bias. Then again, you can always make the subjective opinion that "creating babies that hate the cold so that they can work for the rest of their lives"

 

Then again, Brave New World is less about a Communist New World Order, but more about an Elitist New World Order, and the only wrongs in this utopia are that people live unequal lives when you compare classes of people, and without that, it is essentially communistic.

 

Any form of communism should not be endorsed. We need to have class-systems in our life, without them we are not a species. Look at every animal in the world, especially with insects. There are different classes of them. You have your worker bees, your queen bees etc. We need difference in our life and we need conflict. It's what makes our lives interesting and eventful.

[Trunks88]

Everything has a weakness or a flaw let it be a person, society, or a machine. There is no cheating the Law of Imperfection.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Everything has a weakness or a flaw let it be a person' date=' society, or a machine. There is no cheating the Law of Imperfection.

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Then does that not make it Perfect?

[2sick4u]

Everything has a weakness or a flaw let it be a person' date=' society, or a machine. There is no cheating the Law of Imperfection.

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Then does that not make it Perfect?

No, it doesn't, it makes it balanced.

 

The ideals and perceptions of perfect are to varied for something to be classified as "Perfect." Countering Trunks88 with a statement that doesn't tie in with his opinion of perfection is an opinion of your own, not one of truth. As is countering Trunks88 with a neutral statement.

 

Your opinion, based on what trunks said, is that "The imperfection everyone has leads to us being in a state of perfection." It leads to equality, balance, but extremely distant from perfection.

 

Balance doesn't invoke perfection, either. It cannot be done, at least, in my own opinion. Society cannot be perfect, as on an independent level, everyone believes something else is perfect for it. Balance, well, balance in the field you described, doesn't provide perfection. Rather, balance in the field of opinion, which nobody has, would.

 

Or as Willie put it:

Perfection is a matter of opinion. Perfection does exist; but only if you want it to. If you think something is perfect' date=' then it is perfect to you. Perfection is existent, it's just not something everybody can meet an agreement on.

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Independent ideals ruin the concept of perfection. Bluntly put, that is.

 

Yeah? :D.

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TO EVERYONE WHO SAID "THE GIVER" IN THEIR POST' date=' HAVE YOU EVER READ BRAVE NEW WORLD?[/size']

 

The Giver gives a negative bias of this perfect society, to suit Westernized thinking. Lois Lowrey and George Orwell are both anti-Utopian writiers, and their works cannot be cited for valid argument point if you are judging by the bias given off by the book.

 

Brave New World gives a much more descriptive view, and lacks the bias. Then again, you can always make the subjective opinion that "creating babies that hate the cold so that they can work for the rest of their lives"

 

Then again, Brave New World is less about a Communist New World Order, but more about an Elitist New World Order, and the only wrongs in this utopia are that people live unequal lives when you compare classes of people, and without that, it is essentially communistic.

 

Any form of communism should not be endorsed. We need to have class-systems in our life, without them we are not a species. Look at every animal in the world, especially with insects. There are different classes of them. You have your worker bees, your queen bees etc. We need difference in our life and we need conflict. It's what makes our lives interesting and eventful.

 

WE think WE need eventfulness to make our lives interesting. Ideally, people would live for society, they would be raised and taught to do what they are going to do until they are euthanized.

 

Shall we argue Self Consciousness; curse or gift?

 

@ Others: Perfection exists, we just need to have more people understand how to achieve it, and what way of thinking makes their way of thinking closer to the right way, and what actions they should commit to make their live and world closer to this perfection.

[Willieh]

TO EVERYONE WHO SAID "THE GIVER" IN THEIR POST' date=' HAVE YOU EVER READ BRAVE NEW WORLD?[/size']

 

The Giver gives a negative bias of this perfect society, to suit Westernized thinking. Lois Lowrey and George Orwell are both anti-Utopian writiers, and their works cannot be cited for valid argument point if you are judging by the bias given off by the book.

 

Brave New World gives a much more descriptive view, and lacks the bias. Then again, you can always make the subjective opinion that "creating babies that hate the cold so that they can work for the rest of their lives"

 

Then again, Brave New World is less about a Communist New World Order, but more about an Elitist New World Order, and the only wrongs in this utopia are that people live unequal lives when you compare classes of people, and without that, it is essentially communistic.

 

Any form of communism should not be endorsed. We need to have class-systems in our life, without them we are not a species. Look at every animal in the world, especially with insects. There are different classes of them. You have your worker bees, your queen bees etc. We need difference in our life and we need conflict. It's what makes our lives interesting and eventful.

 

WE think WE need eventfulness to make our lives interesting. Ideally, people would live for society, they would be raised and taught to do what they are going to do until they are euthanized.

 

Shall we argue Self Consciousness; curse or gift?

 

Self Consciousness is a gift. Self Consciousness is the reason we are having this debate. It's what separates us from animals. If we were like animals we would be living with no structure based on our own opinions of what is suitable. Communism is a bad form of government. Controlling people is never the way to go. People need their own opinions. It makes the world a world. It makes being a person an honor rather than just another animal. Self Consciousness and free will are what make us the dominant species on this planet.

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TO EVERYONE WHO SAID "THE GIVER" IN THEIR POST' date=' HAVE YOU EVER READ BRAVE NEW WORLD?[/size']

 

The Giver gives a negative bias of this perfect society, to suit Westernized thinking. Lois Lowrey and George Orwell are both anti-Utopian writiers, and their works cannot be cited for valid argument point if you are judging by the bias given off by the book.

 

Brave New World gives a much more descriptive view, and lacks the bias. Then again, you can always make the subjective opinion that "creating babies that hate the cold so that they can work for the rest of their lives"

 

Then again, Brave New World is less about a Communist New World Order, but more about an Elitist New World Order, and the only wrongs in this utopia are that people live unequal lives when you compare classes of people, and without that, it is essentially communistic.

 

Any form of communism should not be endorsed. We need to have class-systems in our life, without them we are not a species. Look at every animal in the world, especially with insects. There are different classes of them. You have your worker bees, your queen bees etc. We need difference in our life and we need conflict. It's what makes our lives interesting and eventful.

 

WE think WE need eventfulness to make our lives interesting. Ideally, people would live for society, they would be raised and taught to do what they are going to do until they are euthanized.

 

Shall we argue Self Consciousness; curse or gift?

 

Self Consciousness is a gift. Self Consciousness is the reason we are having this debate. It's what separates us from animals. If we were like animals we would be living with no structure based on our own opinions of what is suitable. Communism is a bad form of government. Controlling people is never the way to go. People need their own opinions. It makes the world a world. It makes being a person an honor rather than just another animal. Self Consciousness and free will are what make us the dominant species on this planet.

 

I disagree.

 

People should be told what to do, because if they are not, they go off believing different things and killing each other over them, even if these things tell them not to. To not have a center goal for all men makes them do their own thing, resulting in attempts to one up each other, to put another man down. No man should have to put their brother down, they should accept that no matter what their actions are, they are one in the same, and they should work together to preserve each other in this truth that all men are exactly the same. Self consciousness makes us see each other as different beings, the forming and developing of individualism occurs from this curse, and it grows on us because of our environment and the comfort we take in it, in control of our lives and the idea of it being some sort of serious game, causes it to have such a strong impact on the way we think. We can "choose" or are "determined," regardless of which way it is, to lack contentment because of our consciousness. Without this thought, this unneeded perception, we would just be, without the sadness, agony, worry, and without the care. The fact that we have self consciousness is what makes us have to work harder to preserve our ethic, to act on thought rather than on natural order. If we let people think for themselves, they destroy themselves. We need to remove this sort of individualism from them, strip them of the unnecessary freedoms, and explain to them what they need to believe in order to succeed in what should come to be the way the world is. There is no honor in saying "I am different," it is shameful to think that someone can disagree with someone else for the sake of their faith when concrete evidence is in front of them that shows that they're wrong.

 

You called humans the dominant species. We are more like the tyrannical species in respects to how much we actually care about the other forms of life that manifest the planet, and hypocritical at how much we care for our own and those of others of our kind. To call it an honor to think, a blessing rather, to experience a myriad of feelings and an array of thoughts, that's something there. Meh, I will see life simply as what is, without emotion changing reality in my perception, but you can choose to think its a good thing to suffer when contentment to most is unable to completely juxtaposition itself, and results in the miserable existence of many who seek a deeper meaning to it.

 

After all that, the real question is, have you really enjoyed living? After everything that has happened to you, do you truly think it was worth it to experience everything you have experienced? Some say yes, some say no, I personally am content with what has happened thus far, and have no care at how much more I get to experience, its just whatever, BUT, beyond how you feel about the past and present, is whatever waits in the future worthwhile?

 

Time. That simple perception of reality that makes reality make sense, that's really what this is relative to, because its how our brain works...... blah blah blah I invented Calculus and rambled on far too long....

 

But I think I won, I guess I will find out later.