Guest Chaos Pudding Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 And by counter I mean counter to the activation and effect of the card in question. I know Kuriboh was one of them at some point, and that Spiritulism and Exodia the Forbidden One can't be stopped, but are there any others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 hmm, well since divine wrath, kuriboh is out. Um i guess if you wanted too, you can count Amplifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Super Polymerization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 And by counter I mean counter to the activation and effect of the card in question. I know Kuriboh was one of them at some point' date=' and that Spiritulism and [b']Exodia the Forbidden One[/b] can't be stopped, but are there any others? This is a hotly debated topic in the judges world atm. Most judges say that if Exodia the forbidden one is declared for prohibition then you cant win with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 And by counter I mean counter to the activation and effect of the card in question. I know Kuriboh was one of them at some point' date=' and that Spiritulism and [b']Exodia the Forbidden One[/b] can't be stopped, but are there any others? This is a hotly debated topic in the judges world atm. Most judges say that if Exodia the forbidden one is declared for prohibition then you cant win with it Since Divine Wrath can't stop Exodia, then why should Prohibition be able to? Also, declaring yourself the winner of a Duel by the effect of Exodia is a fundamental rule, and cannot be countered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 And by counter I mean counter to the activation and effect of the card in question. I know Kuriboh was one of them at some point' date=' and that Spiritulism and [b']Exodia the Forbidden One[/b] can't be stopped, but are there any others? This is a hotly debated topic in the judges world atm. Most judges say that if Exodia the forbidden one is declared for prohibition then you cant win with it Since Divine Wrath can't stop Exodia, then why should Prohibition be able to? According to UDE YGO R&D it does. During my Philadelphia SJC' date=' as I was walking by someone called for a judge and since I was nearby I decided to take the call. The player says: "I have a question for you. If I Prohibition the Left Leg of Exodia, will that stop my opponent from winning?" At this point I give out a small laugh and let him know I cannot answer hypothetical questions and if he wished to know he could speak with me in between rounds. I then notice that he has Prohibition on the field and ask him what card did he call for Prohibition. He answers with "Left Leg of Exodia". I now realize that he worded his question wrong. I look at his opponent's hand and she has just drawn into the 5th piece of Exodia and wanted to know if she won the game or not. I notified him that Prohibition did not stop Exodia's win condition" I fly to San Diego after Philadelphia and I visit UDE HQ. Dan and Justin from R&D ask me how the weekend went which I replied honestly. It was a fun event. Dan then asks me for a favor, requesting that I break down each Deck List into a type so that he can see how many of each Deck was played at the event. As I am tallying up the totals, I come across the Exodia deck list that the young lady was playing so I tell them the story. Justin replies with: "Well, sucks that he didn't choose the Head of Exodia." I ask why? They reply with: "If they would have chosen Exodia the Forbidden One, she would not be able to use the Exodia the Forbidden One because it is the one piece of Exodia that actually has an effect. Since it is that effect that is giving it the win condition, and the effect cant be used due to Prohibition, she won't be able to win by Exodia while Prohibition is on the field." Therefore, this is why I say that "Prohibition CAN stop Exodia the Forbidden One".... At least until Konami releases official rulings on Prohibition to see what we actually can and cant do with it. [/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 And by counter I mean counter to the activation and effect of the card in question. I know Kuriboh was one of them at some point' date=' and that Spiritulism and [b']Exodia the Forbidden One[/b] can't be stopped, but are there any others? This is a hotly debated topic in the judges world atm. Most judges say that if Exodia the forbidden one is declared for prohibition then you cant win with it Since Divine Wrath can't stop Exodia, then why should Prohibition be able to? According to UDE YGO R&D it does. During my Philadelphia SJC' date=' as I was walking by someone called for a judge and since I was nearby I decided to take the call. The player says: "I have a question for you. If I Prohibition the Left Leg of Exodia, will that stop my opponent from winning?" At this point I give out a small laugh and let him know I cannot answer hypothetical questions and if he wished to know he could speak with me in between rounds. I then notice that he has Prohibition on the field and ask him what card did he call for Prohibition. He answers with "Left Leg of Exodia". I now realize that he worded his question wrong. I look at his opponent's hand and she has just drawn into the 5th piece of Exodia and wanted to know if she won the game or not. I notified him that Prohibition did not stop Exodia's win condition" I fly to San Diego after Philadelphia and I visit UDE HQ. Dan and Justin from R&D ask me how the weekend went which I replied honestly. It was a fun event. Dan then asks me for a favor, requesting that I break down each Deck List into a type so that he can see how many of each Deck was played at the event. As I am tallying up the totals, I come across the Exodia deck list that the young lady was playing so I tell them the story. Justin replies with: "Well, sucks that he didn't choose the Head of Exodia." I ask why? They reply with: "If they would have chosen Exodia the Forbidden One, she would not be able to use the Exodia the Forbidden One because it is the one piece of Exodia that actually has an effect. Since it is that effect that is giving it the win condition, and the effect cant be used due to Prohibition, she won't be able to win by Exodia while Prohibition is on the field." Therefore, this is why I say that "Prohibition CAN stop Exodia the Forbidden One".... At least until Konami releases official rulings on Prohibition to see what we actually can and cant do with it. [/quote'] Exodia the Forbidden One's effect never activates, though. As soon as all 5 pieces are in your hand, barring the situation where Exodia is drawn in the middle of a card's effect that has not completed resolution, you win the Duel. Exodia is never "played", or "activated". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Digital.Simplicity. Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 And by counter I mean counter to the activation and effect of the card in question. I know Kuriboh was one of them at some point' date=' and that Spiritulism and [b']Exodia the Forbidden One[/b] can't be stopped, but are there any others? This is a hotly debated topic in the judges world atm. Most judges say that if Exodia the forbidden one is declared for prohibition then you cant win with it Since Divine Wrath can't stop Exodia, then why should Prohibition be able to? According to UDE YGO R&D it does. During my Philadelphia SJC' date=' as I was walking by someone called for a judge and since I was nearby I decided to take the call. The player says: "I have a question for you. If I Prohibition the Left Leg of Exodia, will that stop my opponent from winning?" At this point I give out a small laugh and let him know I cannot answer hypothetical questions and if he wished to know he could speak with me in between rounds. I then notice that he has Prohibition on the field and ask him what card did he call for Prohibition. He answers with "Left Leg of Exodia". I now realize that he worded his question wrong. I look at his opponent's hand and she has just drawn into the 5th piece of Exodia and wanted to know if she won the game or not. I notified him that Prohibition did not stop Exodia's win condition" I fly to San Diego after Philadelphia and I visit UDE HQ. Dan and Justin from R&D ask me how the weekend went which I replied honestly. It was a fun event. Dan then asks me for a favor, requesting that I break down each Deck List into a type so that he can see how many of each Deck was played at the event. As I am tallying up the totals, I come across the Exodia deck list that the young lady was playing so I tell them the story. Justin replies with: "Well, sucks that he didn't choose the Head of Exodia." I ask why? They reply with: "If they would have chosen Exodia the Forbidden One, she would not be able to use the Exodia the Forbidden One because it is the one piece of Exodia that actually has an effect. Since it is that effect that is giving it the win condition, and the effect cant be used due to Prohibition, she won't be able to win by Exodia while Prohibition is on the field." Therefore, this is why I say that "Prohibition CAN stop Exodia the Forbidden One".... At least until Konami releases official rulings on Prohibition to see what we actually can and cant do with it. [/quote']Well you answered the question that was actually a nice read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I agree, that was interesting. Can Prohibition be so powerful to stop Game winning abilities and activated Effects. If i Activate Final count down, and Final count down reaches 20 turns, and my opponent activates Prohibition on final count down, will the game continue past 20 turns? Or what about Destiny Board? If i have a face up Destiny Board face up, than prohibition is activated, declaring Destiny board, and Destiny Board is than destroyed, will i keep all my Letters face up on the field? Does activating an effect, even an involuntary effect be considered play? In a simpler question. How is the word "Play" in UGeeO defined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I agree' date=' that was interesting. Can Prohibition be so powerful to stop Game winning abilities and activated Effects. If i Activate Final count down, and Final count down reaches 20 turns, and my opponent activates Prohibition on final count down, will the game continue past 20 turns? Or what about Destiny Board? If i have a face up Destiny Board face up, than prohibition is activated, declaring Destiny board, and Destiny Board is than destroyed, will i keep all my Letters face up on the field? Does activating an effect, even an involuntary effect be considered play? In a simpler question. How is the word "Play" in UGeeO defined?[/quote'] Well, I can say that Prohibition will prevent Destiny Board from activating new Spirit Messages during the End Phase, because Cold Wave does so too, while that card also prevents cards from being played. I'm not sure on lingeric effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I agree' date=' that was interesting. Can Prohibition be so powerful to stop Game winning abilities and activated Effects. If i Activate Final count down, and Final count down reaches 20 turns, and my opponent activates Prohibition on final count down, will the game continue past 20 turns? Or what about Destiny Board? If i have a face up Destiny Board face up, than prohibition is activated, declaring Destiny board, and Destiny Board is than destroyed, will i keep all my Letters face up on the field? Does activating an effect, even an involuntary effect be considered play? In a simpler question. How is the word "Play" in UGeeO defined?[/quote'] Well, I can say that Prohibition will prevent Destiny Board from activating new Spirit Messages during the End Phase, because Cold Wave does so too, while that card also prevents cards from being played. I'm not sure on lingeric effects. Prohibition will only stop the activation of a spell card by destiny board if you prohibited that specific spell card. It will not work if Destiny board was already activated. Also, once final countdown is activated, 20 turns, no matter what the situation, you win the duel, regardless of prohibition or Spell canceler or the like... I think we've named every card that has that that style of effect that exists in the TCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 The only reason i asked the question about final countdown is because it does the same thing exodia the forbidden one does. Set a win condition to terms, and once the condition is met, it basically activates without activation. If prohibition can stop an effect that doesn't activate, a passive win condition, why would it not do the same for Final countdown. What this game needs is a clear cut, Black and white definition of "Play(ed)." Also to the Destiny Board Question, would prohibition stop the effect of Destiny board removing the other spirit messages from the field if it was destroyed. Is an activated effect, Voluntarily or involuntarily considered Played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiom_Nor Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Yea... Exodia VS Prohibition... That debate led me and Quagmire_Jr. on a LOOOOOONG debate. He played exodia, i had Prohibition.I declared "Exodia the Forbidden One".He drew exodia, and the debate began. It ended with me saying "Screw it" and taking Prohibition out. 'cause it was just a fun duel at home, not at a tournie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 i say prohibition CAN stop exodia, as its the head tht activates the effect and prohibition basically makes it a redundant card on a side not urais effect cannot be chained to so its ninda the same this as you couldnt devine wrath uraia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoPaladin2008 Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 nobleman of extermination in most cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 i say prohibition CAN stop exodia' date=' as its the head tht activates the effect and prohibition basically makes it a redundant card on a side not urais effect cannot be chained to so its ninda the same this as you couldnt devine wrath uraia[/quote'] But Exodia doesn't "activate". It just declares you the winner. Exodia is a fundamental rule, so I'm not even sure why Exodia the Forbidden One has an effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 [/align]since no one said it. spiritualism. its a one card gaint trunade that states on the card it can not be countered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiom_Nor Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 The Effect of a Veichroid fusion summoned with Connection Zone. Any spell/trap of yours when Venus is on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 [/align]since no one said it. spiritualism. its a one card gaint trunade that states on the card it can not be countered. Read the opening post much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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