2sick4u Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 They'll evolve once you infuse them with artificial intelligence. Get out of the Debate Forum. Artificial intelligence doesn't evolve on any sort of standard' date=' even then, even [i']if it could,[/i] natural evolution takes millions of years. What I'm saying is that no matter how you look at this, you're wrong. The fact that Robots can't evolve makes you wrong. The fact that even if Robots could evolve, evolution would occur at a point in time that our race has already been brought to it's knees by other means, be it an Ice Age or whatever. Besides that, I'll also point out that A.I technology is so underdeveloped it isn't funny. I understand some people's dreams are to live forever (I know I would)' date=' and some will do anything to cheat death, but this is wrong. After death, your conscious is forever in a state of eternal rest. [b']It is not for us to decide to wake that conscious back up.[/b] Some people feel they have lived a good life and see no need to go on any further. As Tabris said, you want to make a procedure for this, do it only for the volunteers With the right tecnolagy, it is our right. what is this i dont even Also, I believe that because we have the technology to split atoms, we should make it our right to do so upon millions of innocent people. I mean, hey, we do have the right to, as we have the right technology. Basically, Albus, shut up. Seriously. no it's not. The final decision still rests with the deceased The deceased has no consciousness. It's merely a shell of a being. How can anything of a deciding nature rest with it? Yeah. What you said was just inane. =]. The right to a dead body rests with the ones that claim it. Basically, the family of the deceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seicon64 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 i honestly have no idea how to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 well no one said AI is going to be that advanced anytime soon. But eventually it will reach that point. What then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megaworm Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 how do you program the thought of rebellion into a machine to begin with? If it's a learning computer, and it happens to read a book on robot revolution, do you think it will act upon it's new knowledge, or just store it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 all you have to do is look at the terminator, matrix, and I, Robot movies. Yes, we're nowhere NEAR that point of development in AI, but those films will give you a clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sick4u Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 well no one said AI is going to be that advanced anytime soon. But eventually it will reach that point. What then? Fallout 3' date=' Terminator and I Robot aren't credible sources of information. Nor will they be 4 posts from now. They're designed to be entertaining, not freaking informative. [i']Obviously[/i]. However, by the time that A.I has reached a point of actual human replication, which I currently think is improbable, our race would've entered into it's 'reflux' state. As in, the natural ice-age cycle would've mostly wiped us out. =\. all you have to do is look at the terminator' date=' matrix, and I, Robot movies. Yes, we're nowhere NEAR that point of development in AI, but those films will give you a clue[/quote'] Those films don't give you sheet. I actually haven't seen the Matrix, but I can vouch that the Terminator and I, Robot aren't anything of a truthful nature. Really, I, Robot was so botched together with subliminal advertising that any stand-point it could've made on Artificial intelligence was flawed. Even then, any A.I in that movie is so unrealistic in comparison to what's currently in development is still isn't funny. Terminator, a freaking 1990's sci-fi action film, doesn't mean anything either. Also, the Terminator wasn't even based upon Artificial Intelligence. The concept of the robot in that movie was to be a mobile weapon. Even then, that movie featured time-travel. What, are you going to say that Time-Travel is possible because about 4 movies have been made around it? Please. Get a resourceful stand-point, and then try debating again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 the original point was never about the AI, it was more to implant the human brain within the robotic shell as a continuation of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sick4u Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 You brought up the A.I all the same though. Back peddling because your argument has become invalid is rather low. That, and you don't need to freaking remind me of the original topic. I'm pretty confident I addressed it two posts ago, until you started going "But blah blah rebellion is possible blah A.I blah blah *Random movie with it featured.*" As for the original topic, the fertilization and maintenance of the brain would be rather.. Interesting to accomplish, but it's still all the same. I merely cannot see something like this going ahead, on a both logical and possible scale. =\. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 I know for many it's a dream to live past your original life span, but I can't help but wonder if that'll just end up becoming a curse, watching all your loved ones die and you survive (not to mention in a robotic body which means you can't feel anything anymore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sick4u Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 I know for many it's a dream to live past your original life span' date=' but I can't help but wonder if that'll just end up becoming a curse, watching all your loved ones die and you survive (not to mention in a robotic body which means you can't feel anything anymore)[/quote'] That's were I'm extremely curious. Would memory, curiosity and all other humane elements remain? How could a human brain perceive and function without the proper senses? And so on. I have no doubt that a conscious robot is no immortal state, though, as the brain would presumably die out eventually, as organs age all the same. I guess where I don't see this as possible is the fact that it would presumably involve quite a lot of Artificial intelligence; or how so much of it is so psychologically unknown. =\. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Well since your brain and spinal cord are preserved, memory probably should remain. You can still see and hear, but smell, taste, and most likely touch are all gone (and that I'm not sure your brain can adjust to after living in a living tissue body for so long). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Oh, wow, this is the first non-mainstream debate I've seen here. And even then, like most topics, this comes down to choice. It should be a person's decision to be a cyborg or not. Honestly though, if you could add a voice box to a human cyborg, it would be interesting to see what they say/if they remember their past life. It reminds me of Burst Angel… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 why wouldn't they? Are you planning not to transfer their brain and spinal cord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrometheusMFD Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 It is a hoaxYou can see an RC antennea clearly on the "cyborg"People are dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 but we already have that, and it's not a conscious robot that way (it'll then go crazy with the I, Robot rules) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I'm moreso thinking of the adjustment from an organic body to a mechanical pronunciation machine. And whether hearing and sight will work the same. It might just walk around aimlessly like the mouse robot mumbling untelligible things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 if you're still going to put a brain in it, why would it walk around aimlessly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrometheusMFD Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Artificial Intelligence is still just that, Artificial.It would be completely unable (and I am talking about 100% here) of disobeying what we program into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 how do you know that? AI is capable of independent learning too you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 if you're still going to put a brain in it' date=' why would it walk around aimlessly?[/quote'] The way the organic body and mechanical one function could be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I'll agree to that, what kind of difference are you suggesting here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrometheusMFD Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Yes but it is still just 1's and 0's. It isn't like a living mind that can change based on information outside of its perameters. An Artificial mind can increase the information that it contains, but it can only react in a way that its original programming says it can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 and what about evolution? AI can evolve too you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrometheusMFD Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Evolution doesn't work like that. Evolution states that traits that best help an organism survive allows that trait to be passed on more often. And even then, an AI can only evolve if its basic programming says it can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 and suppose its programming got corrupted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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