Obama can has presidentness

[Dark]

Obama can do great things for this country. Unlike McCain who has some kind of cancer, is an old cranky man, has no answers to direct questions, has no plan for health care, who cares zip about the economy, who has a VP less qualified than me, who is going to die of a heart attack... where was I? Oh yeah, unlike McCain, Obama is a charismatic young person who has a heart and a mind to change America. Although, I do believe an assassination attempt will take place. Racist America is not ready for an African president.

[HelioSpark]

I got the day off from school and I watched all the returns, and speeches. Truly a historic moment for America. I dont care who you are or what your views are, but you have to admit this a very inspiring and important milestone for America. Not just Barack's win, but this whole election. With the world watching, millions of Americans changed the course of a planet. I can say I am truly proud of my country.

 

I think John McCain was very gracious in his speech, but I was dissapointed with the behavior of his crowd, the booing and such. Barack's crowd was very respectful of John McCain. I think this shows how much cynicism there still is in the Republican Base, and I hope hey can move beyond it and be willing to cooperate with our new government. I wish the best of luck to President Obama and I am praying for the safety of he and his family.

[Dark]

Did you see McCain's look on his face when he was giving that speech? For a moment, I felt bad for him. Never did he smile that day.

[HelioSpark]

yeah, although I dont agree with all his views I think he is a great man and deserves more respect than he is getting. But I would still have voted for Obama ^_^

[Dark]

Most of his veiws are contradictory to his own veiws. I would have given serious thought into "voting" [i am not 18 yet] for McCain, but Palin brought him down under. WAYYYY down under.

[Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer]

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Most of his veiws are contradictory to his own veiws. I would have given serious thought into "voting" [i am not 18 yet] for McCain' date=' but Palin brought him down under. WAYYYY down under.

[/quote']

Exactly. Sarah Failin' was the reason that McCain failed.

[Holy Babylon]

I love Obama, I supported him the whole way, but my entire family are pure 100% republican, except me. He'll make a heck of alot more change then McCain (although McCain would have made an excellent president regardless). Obama will be a great president of the United States of America. Vote for me in thirty years when I run! (I've got it all planned out and everything too) :)

[GHawk]

Yeah, I also like Obama from the start. The people who live in my house all voted for Obama. Palin just used McCain for next times election. She wants to be the next president. I don't think she will win though.Don't worry I will.

[Guest]

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Racist America is not ready for an African president.

Rofl. Obama is anything but African. lrn2geography

 

He'll make a heck of alot more change then McCain (although McCain would have made an excellent president regardless).

And what makes you think this change will be a good thing? Obama is a socialist to the core, and socialism is not going to benefit the democracy, capitalism, and freedom we have in this country.

 

EDIT: And before you Obamamamas start lashing out at me, let me say this: I didn't vote for McCain either. They both sucked as choices in my opinion.

[Lazer Yoshi]

No Surprise Obama won.

If he can keep his promises, that's Great. If not, well, bad.

Obama being President will bring up Racism, but that's how the World is. Never stopping being Ignorant.

Politics are just a Role Play Game in the Office.

[Guest Tiger]

Wasn't it:

 

Obama - 52%

McCain - 46%

 

or something like that?

[Willieh]

However; Obama's communistic and socialistic; to which both are pretty good. Although he won't admit to having socialistic influences; half of his promised policies have some sort of socialism ideal in them.

Actually at this point of our economy (deep recession; damn close to depression) we would be better off with conservative republican. :/

 

The major downfall of America was primarily Clinton's fault. We had republicans in and running the country' date=' which got our economy up like HELL during the 80s. But then Clinton was elected and pretty much funked us up. But it didn't start becoming noticeable until it was beyond repair (while Bush was in).

 

My hope is that we won't result in a depression like before, and that Obama will own up to what he's saying.

 

And I pray that no one assassinate him and that the rich people don't decide NOT to pay extra taxes.

 

If everything plays out as planned, Obama might be this country's messiah (metaphorically speaking of course).

 

If the rich people decide not to do their part in this society (that Obama has set for them) then we might as well call it the 20s (lol depression reference, no).

 

I assume that if this doesn't work out, we will start doing really well for the first month or so, and then divebomb into depression.

 

But considering that Obama is a smart man and a great public speaker, I think this country could be looking up.

 

 

 

 

If Obama gets assassinated, I'm moving to Canada goddamit.

[problematica]

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Racist America is not ready for an African president.

Rofl. Obama is anything but African. lrn2geography

 

He'll make a heck of alot more change then McCain (although McCain would have made an excellent president regardless).

And what makes you think this change will be a good thing? Obama is a socialist to the core' date=' and socialism is not going to benefit the democracy, capitalism, and freedom we have in this country.

 

EDIT: And before you Obamamamas start lashing out at me, let me say this: I didn't vote for McCain either. They both sucked as choices in my opinion.

[/quote']

 

Actually, Obama is half African. His dad is from Kenya.

 

As for the socialism thing: What's wrong with socialism? Rights for everyone and money for people who need it is a bad thing? Socialism promotes a freedom for all people and gets them to live equally in a society where they are all viewed the same. Is that not the basis for which America was founded on and which our Forefathers fought to ensure?

[Willieh]

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Racist America is not ready for an African president.

Rofl. Obama is anything but African. lrn2geography

 

He'll make a heck of alot more change then McCain (although McCain would have made an excellent president regardless).

And what makes you think this change will be a good thing? Obama is a socialist to the core' date=' and socialism is not going to benefit the democracy, capitalism, and freedom we have in this country.

 

EDIT: And before you Obamamamas start lashing out at me, let me say this: I didn't vote for McCain either. They both sucked as choices in my opinion.

[/quote']

 

Actually, Obama is half African. His dad is from Kenya.

 

As for the socialism thing: What's wrong with socialism? Rights for everyone and money for people who need it is a bad thing? Socialism promotes a freedom for all people and gets them to live equally in a society where they are all viewed the same. Is that not the basis for which America was founded on and which our Forefathers fought to ensure?

At this point in time, socialism would only funk up our system. We have too strong of a social system to try anything socialist or communist. All socialism could result in would be riots and the inevitable break-up of America as a whole.

[problematica]

Actually at this point of our economy (deep recession; damn close to depression) we would be better off with conservative republican. :/

 

The major downfall of America was primarily Clinton's fault. We had republicans in and running the country' date=' which got our economy up like HELL during the 80s. But then Clinton was elected and pretty much f***ed us up. But it didn't start becoming noticeable until it was beyond repair (while Bush was in). [/quote']

 

The National Debt was high before Clinton took office, and when he get there he actually made it start to even out so we could work to fixing it. Then Bush came along and all of his plans suddenly shot our debt up nearly 6 trillion in 8 years alone.

 

At this point in time' date=' socialism would only f*** up our system. We have too strong of a social system to try anything socialist or communist. All socialism could result in would be riots and the inevitable break-up of America as a whole.[/quote']

 

That's why we need change so we can fix this social gap and bring the American people together, rather than have all this infighting amongst ourselves.

[Willieh]

Actually at this point of our economy (deep recession; damn close to depression) we would be better off with conservative republican. :/

 

The major downfall of America was primarily Clinton's fault. We had republicans in and running the country' date=' which got our economy up like HELL during the 80s. But then Clinton was elected and pretty much f***ed us up. But it didn't start becoming noticeable until it was beyond repair (while Bush was in). [/quote']

 

The National Debt was high before Clinton took office, and when he get there he actually made it start to even out so we could work to fixing it. Then Bush came along and all of his plans suddenly shot our debt up nearly 6 trillion in 8 years alone.

 

At this point in time' date=' socialism would only f*** up our system. We have too strong of a social system to try anything socialist or communist. All socialism could result in would be riots and the inevitable break-up of America as a whole.[/quote']

 

That's why we need change so we can fix this social gap and bring the American people together, rather than have all this infighting amongst ourselves.

America had money while Reagan was in. :| 'nuff said.

 

 

And mending a gap as large as the one in our social class would be a hopeless cause. It would take longer than it would be worth, and the only option would be resorting to socialism too fast. That would, like I said, just mess up the country anyway.

[problematica]

Actually at this point of our economy (deep recession; damn close to depression) we would be better off with conservative republican. :/

 

The major downfall of America was primarily Clinton's fault. We had republicans in and running the country' date=' which got our economy up like HELL during the 80s. But then Clinton was elected and pretty much f***ed us up. But it didn't start becoming noticeable until it was beyond repair (while Bush was in). [/quote']

 

The National Debt was high before Clinton took office, and when he get there he actually made it start to even out so we could work to fixing it. Then Bush came along and all of his plans suddenly shot our debt up nearly 6 trillion in 8 years alone.

 

At this point in time' date=' socialism would only f*** up our system. We have too strong of a social system to try anything socialist or communist. All socialism could result in would be riots and the inevitable break-up of America as a whole.[/quote']

 

That's why we need change so we can fix this social gap and bring the American people together, rather than have all this infighting amongst ourselves.

America had money while Reagan was in. :| 'nuff said.

 

 

And mending a gap as large as the one in our social class would be a hopeless cause. It would take longer than it would be worth, and the only option would be resorting to socialism too fast. That would, like I said, just mess up the country anyway.

 

You mean the guy who made our National Debt jump from about $1 trillion to about $3 trillion. Before Reagan had come, Carter had lowered slope of the gradually increasing debt caused by Nixon and Ford.

 

And fixing the social order is a big deal. Giving up is not an option or we will be stuck in this ancient social state for too long and will be seen as a primitive people.

[Father Wolf]

i am so geared up for free watermellon an fried chicken day

 

lmfao sorry had to

[The Dark One]

...

This is what you get when you have a bunch of teenagers who know little to nothing about the world talk politics.

Ok' date=' you're off to a bad start here. Most of those "ignorant teenagers" are a hell of a lot more informed and analytical than a good chunk of the adult population. Yeah, there are the kneejerk rebels, etc. but there's also plenty of people that just realize that THEY'RE the ones that are going to being inheriting the country next generation, and THEY'RE the ones who will have to clean up the mess if we don't get smart fast.[/i']

 

1) The war on terror is a good thing. If we had pulled out long ago, terrorism would be an all time high right now.

 

Yes, the War on Terror is a good thing. I agree that in no way should we just let a terrorist organization get away scott-free after an act as terrible as September 11th. However, the War on Terror is not what he was talking about. Iraq was unrelated to terrorism. In fact, Sadam hated Al'Qaeda and all those related groups because they were Shiites and he was a Sunni, furthermore, he was no religious zealot and didn't like them for their fundamentalist views. Up until we barged in a tore apart the government, Iraq was probably the most terror-free of the Middle-Eastern countries besides Israel. (Of course, just because Saddam didn't support terrorism didn't mean he was a good person. He was a terrible dictator, but that's not sufficient reason to get involved either, there's many dictators in the world and are we involved in military action agaisnt all of them? Most certainly not.

 

Also, the War in Afghanistan, while FAR more valid than the one in Iraq, is still rather misdirected. We do need troops in Afghanistan, but our real target is supposed to be somewhere in the mountains in Pakistan. It's ridiculous that we haven't tried harder to get the go-ahead from Pakistan to search their mountains and find Osama. I mean, he's a 7-foot tall guy on life-support, he would tend to stick out in a crowd.

 

2) The stock market didn't plummet because of borrowing money. The stock market plummeted because the american people listen to CNN and the media scews everything to sound HORRIBLE, when really its not. People panicked and started pulling their money.

 

You're right on the first part, our government borrowing money doesn't actually have a significant impact on the way our economy plays out. We can all do just fine until we realize that we owe more to China than the entire worth of our country. Then we're f*cked.

 

It wasn't just CNN. All the media was talking about how bad the situation was, and guess what, the situation WAS bad. However, it would not have led to the crisis that we're in now if the media hadn't covered it. Still, it's the media's job to report the news, while there was an undesired consequence, you can hardly blame them for it.

 

Then some of the largest corporations were busted because they couldn't afford the loans they were giving and the fed's had to help them out. People panicked again and started hoarding their money. Had people not panicked, none of this would be going on.

 

It wouldn't be as bad as it is now, but it would still be going on. The whole problem started with banks giving out sub-prime mortgages. (Hence why it's called the Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis) They were giving loans out to people for houses that they couldn't really afford to pay back. (And no, it's not the fault of the people who were taking out the loan here, the banks have advisors onhand that are there to make these decisions, because the banks don't want too many bad loans any more than the people takin g out the loans.) This led to the banks being able to take the house to cut their losses. Normally, the banks are happy about this, because they can generally make a profit on the houses, but because there were so many confiscated homes being resold, the value of the housing market plummeted. Also, since the banks were either losing money on their loans by selling the houses dirt cheap or simply not being able to sell, they were losing massive amounts of money. It's a whole cycle that eventually led to banks having trouble with getting enough money to keep lending. (I mean to companies and other banks, at least at this point) Thus the best course of action, from the standpoint of the individual, is to get your money the f*ck out of there before the bank collapses. However, it is the very act of everyone taking their money out that destroys the bank, because it runs a delicate system of exchanging money, and never actually has enough money to pay back everyone who's put money in. That's what happened in the great depression. It's happening here to a certain extent with the banks, but mos prominently with the stock market.

 

So yes, if everyone just pretended that nothing happened, we wouldn't have a problem. However, it's a bit like the Prisoner's Dilemma in that no one can trust that everyone else will stay in with them.

 

Even if we are borrowing money, that money goes into building things, which are constructed in the US, so our job market should be doing good, employment should be up, but its not because nobody is spending.

If you spend money, then money is going back into the system, people are paying tax money on things they buy which means more is going into the government. Higher profits for companies means they'll grow and expand which opens up job possibilities for everyone which means more people have more money so they'll spend more money giving businesses more profit and the government more money in taxes which boost the economy and buisnesses are growing. Higher demand means expansion for businesses which opens up more jobs and gives more people money to spend.

See how that all works out nicely? Now everyone has money, everyone is spending money, and the economy is booming.

 

How hard is that?

 

Cody Thunderbolt doesn't know what he's talking about' date=' so I wouldn't get up in a fit about it.

Also, no, money isn't that important, but right now, it sure as h*** helps! Most of us are already living paycheck to paycheck. With higher taxes, some people won't be able to make it, which means more people will be forced into government assistance programs, which isn't good for the economy either.

[/quote']

 

The people that will be getting higher taxes are the people with an annual income of $250,000 or more. Those people aren't just barely living off their paychecks. My family is quite well off, and my Dad only makes around $180,000 a year. At $250,000 ($200,000 if you're single), you should have no problem dealing with the raised taxes.

 

The people that are having trouble making it right now are the one's getting most of the relief.

 

Lastly, as Browarod. I want to make 3 points.

1. Communism is NOT a bad thing. It's not evil to believe in its ideal. However, it has not shown itself successfully yet, which is why I don't believe in pursuing it. (At least at this point in time) However, The form of Communism used by Lennin in Russia was terrible, and actually implemented capitalistic features to the country. Overall, that failed, but that does not truly represent what Marx wanted.

 

2. Socialism is a separate issue from Communism, which is actually the final stage of Marxism in which the government itself is dissolved. Socialism HAS WORKED, unlike Communism. For example, the Socialized Health Care in Canada is excellent, and far surpasses our own. The problem with the present Health Care system is that the companies are more motivated by greed than the welfare of the people, and thus market products that don't work. (They do their own research so it's often biased) They also try to avoid serving their clients whenever possible.

 

3. Obama's Health Care policy is the closest thing to Socialism that he condones, and even that is not really Socialism. He's simply providing common access to a public health care system that ALREADY EXISTS. He uses that public pool himself as do all government employees. There's no shutting down of the private industries, it's just giving access to people that need it.

[Guest]

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Racist America is not ready for an African president.

Rofl. Obama is anything but African. lrn2geographyActually' date=' Obama is half African. His dad is from Kenya.[/quote']

He was born in America, that makes him an American. I don't go around saying I'm an Irish, German, English, Dutch, Scottish, etc. American because it's stupid and because I choose not to delineate myself into a group. If anybody in this country is racist, it's the people who were born here and yet call themselves African American, Asian American, or w/e American and choose to only associate with others who do the same.

 

@ Dark One - Burn it Down said it better than I could.

[.:pyramid:.]

firstly i would like to say that if i had the opportunity i think i would vote obama over macCain, because for me it was a real decision whether obama or pailing was ready to be President ( i say pailing because i think if macCain won he would make a f**k up and then pailing would by then have the experience to take over ). right, now that is settled i can get onto my opinion.

 

firstly i heard someone say finally we have our first black president, when did race ever come into who is better to lead. originally i think a lot of people said they supported obama so they didn't seem racist. secondly this year a significant increase in the number of African Americans were voting for the first time, don't you think that is just a bit of a consistence that it was the first time a mixed race person was in the presidency battle? I would like to think that its just that people wanted change so they decided to do something, over race however this is going to put a huge chip on obamas shoulder when he enters the white house because now when he mucks up, people are going to use " this is what happens when you vote on race" which i think is extremely unfair because he is bound to make mistakes sometime during being president.

 

so why can't we just accept the fact that hes the first black president, and get over it because if you let the brand ( using the fact hes the first black president ) get bigger than the man, because that will lead to trouble.

 

also i think hes in a no win situation, because currently hes promised to sort out the economy as quickly as possible however their is a large percentage of the unemployment being from African Americans and other ethnic groups, so if he gives a lot of help to them he will get a lot of " hes all for the black people and not white" and if he doesn't the opposite will happen and they will say " hes a slave to the white man " ( soz i couldn't think of anything else that would sorter work their ).

 

why can't people just remember that it doesn't matter whether you black, white, Asian, or Marshan, the person who will help the country the most should be the president, and only policies should come into it. so I do hope that obama does well in office but i don't want to see race come into politics because we should all be treated as equals no matter what, and that doesn't need to be made a big thing out of because we are civil people and we can at least treat people with the respect everyone deserves.

 

 

p.s sorry for grammar errors and spelling errors

[The Dark One]

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Racist America is not ready for an African president.

Rofl. Obama is anything but African. lrn2geographyActually' date=' Obama is half African. His dad is from Kenya.[/quote']

He was born in America, that makes him an American. I don't go around saying I'm an Irish, German, English, Dutch, Scottish, etc. American because it's stupid and because I choose not to delineate myself into a group. If anybody in this country is racist, it's the people who were born here and yet call themselves African American, Asian American, or w/e American and choose to only associate with others who do the same.

 

@ Dark One - Burn it Down said it better than I could.

 

Obviously, converting into a Socialist state would be dumb at this point in time. However, converting certain aspects of the system to Socialism (like Socializing healthcare, for example) WOULD be not only possible, but the best solution, since a government organization is better at staying aloft during an economic breakdown than one based on the returns it gets on its product or service.

 

However, Obama's policies AREN'T Socialistic, which I said earlier. Putting Obama into office does NOT mean that we'll be trying to fit Socialism in right now. (And regardless, this country is so ridiculously anti-commy that even if Obama DID try to push Socialism, he would get shut down, for better or for worse.) <--(I think worse)

[Willieh]

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Racist America is not ready for an African president.

Rofl. Obama is anything but African. lrn2geographyActually' date=' Obama is half African. His dad is from Kenya.[/quote']

He was born in America, that makes him an American. I don't go around saying I'm an Irish, German, English, Dutch, Scottish, etc. American because it's stupid and because I choose not to delineate myself into a group. If anybody in this country is racist, it's the people who were born here and yet call themselves African American, Asian American, or w/e American and choose to only associate with others who do the same.

 

@ Dark One - Burn it Down said it better than I could.

 

Obviously, converting into a Socialist state would be dumb at this point in time. However, converting certain aspects of the system to Socialism (like Socializing healthcare, for example) WOULD be not only possible, but the best solution, since a government organization is better at staying aloft during an economic breakdown than one based on the returns it gets on its product or service.

 

However, Obama's policies AREN'T Socialistic, which I said earlier. Putting Obama into office does NOT mean that we'll be trying to fit Socialism in right now. (And regardless, this country is so ridiculously anti-commy that even if Obama DID try to push Socialism, he would get shut down, for better or for worse.) <--(I think worse)

W00T

 

Someone understood my point without hacking me to death.

 

(thank you The Dark One)

[Dictator7]

Don't hate me but Obama is a communist. I don't call it the U.S.A any more, I call it U.S.S.A(united socialist states of america).

[The Dark One]

Did you read a single word of my posts?

 

Well, I guess I'll answer that for you. No you didn't. SO to give you an abbreviated version, I discussed that:

A. True Conmmunism, or Marxism rather ,of which Communism is only the final stage, and which has never actually been reached by a society, is not a bad thing. Lenninism, which is the distorted form of Marxism that was carried out by the Soviets during the Cold War, is.

 

B. Socialism is not Communism. Furthermore, it is possible for socialistic policies to exist within a capitalist state. AND not only that, but a state (by state I mean governing body, not necessarily one of the 50) with some socialistic policies, or at least regulatory standards upon free trade, which is in a way a mild form of socialism, will as a rule have a higher standard of living than a state with true free trade, which is pretty much destined to fail.

 

Socialism also does not require a radical shift in the paradigm of our country. We don't need a Bolshevik Revolution here. We could simply implement Socialized Health Care, like a good many countries in the world have done, and are better off for it.

 

C. Obama does not even support Socialism, though I think he should, and therefore is so far removed from Communism, which is the final utopian stage of Marxism, which is the political form of Socialism, that your comments are not only baseless and laughable, but so pathetic that I'm surprised that you manage to at least comprehend the language you speak well enough to at least form a sentence, regardless of its apparent lack of coherent thought.

 

And one last point. I don't bother to invest a significant emotional response in what happens on the internet. But if I did, why would the redundant comment "don't hate me" have the desired effect of countering any anger other posters may have at you for your idiocy? Assuming that you DO care to some extent about the emotional response others have to your post (And everyone does have one, as much as they'd like to deny it, just some care more than others.) it is self-evident that you desire to receive positive emotional feedback rather than negative emotional feedback. (That is assuming, of course, that you are not simply a joke account, created to obtain pleasure from the annoyed responses of others to the idiotic words that you type, in which case you are investing yourself in the hope of receiving a negative emotional response, which you in turn will convert into mirth.)