WE MUST Overcome Avarice & Vanity

[HORUS]

This is a draft. The first draft. It's 2:26 AM and I'm running on a Coke and my own dejection. There are some mistakes, some hazy portions, some unclear statements. I plan on fixing these things. But in the meantime, just think about how this affects you, mentally and emotionally.

 

 

 

How can one live without recognition and realization of their true feelings and self? Most people would rather waste their life concentrating on their own gain and benefit: benefit of monetary gain, benefit of carnal pleasure, and, most horribly of all, benefit from the work and effort of others. Those who work with the spirit to aid the world and accomplish that which is necessary to evoke spirit in the spiritless can remove the greed that drives those who intend to benefit selfishly. Those who work with this spirit are the ones who can make a difference, even if that difference leads only to one other person.

 

But to work for yourself only, or to use the work of another for your personal gain defines the avarice of the individual and engenders the plague of humanity: logical reasoning. It is a great and wonderful thing that man can reason logically, but greater is the damnation this ability brings upon us. This curse is the curse that creates avarice and vanity in individuals, primarily shown in the minds of oppressors and corporates, kings and businessmen, whose manipulative powers contort life into a Gordian knot of tedious and pointless work that can only be solved by the same means as the original man who solved this knot: to cut it, though in this instance, with passion to destroy the corporate interference that has hindered the revelation of our purpose in life being to help others.

 

What use is a man if his purpose is in his own benefit? Furthermore, what use is a man if his purpose is in nothing? How ridiculous it is that a man can be given a job of wholly unnecessary operations. Space programs, the study of the atom and reactions between molecules, even high level mathematics - what have they to offer to society that can serve to eliminate avarice and vanity? So many are the practices that do not serve mankind that the things that do are drowned in meaninglessness. None of the aforementioned programs are necessary to our coexistence with each other in a peaceful, tranquil world of interralation and understanding.

 

For what use is the study of solar systems that lie incomprehendably out of our reach when we haven't even ventured into our own planet's waters deep enough to understand more than 2 percent of it? It is ridiculous, even, that the uncharted marine environment should even be studied, for this study can do nothing to improve our society and allow it to evolve into a state of mental well-being and interconnectivity that can only be achieved once we are able to accept this whole idea.

 

To achieve such a result, the unnecessary business world must degenerate, deteriorate, and inevitably be erased from this world. Business as a prime agent of avarice has doomed mankind by instating need for wealth - even immaterial forms - that have engendered class separations and social separations, turned men against each other in their unceasing greed, destroyed the lives of countless men, left millions homeless, and starved generations.

 

The folly of the oppressed is that, once freed of oppression, they will appoint a new leader - a leader who they believe will be at one with the people, who will not be corrupted. It is, however, impossible that a man placed in a position of power will not attempt to gain more unless he can realize the need of eliminating avarice and vanity. It may be true that no man seizes or accepts power with the intention of losing it, but a selfless, loving governor could inspire change among his people.

 

It is this greed that has made people believe that they are that which they are not, and vanity that has aided in this unreality. These forces have created a boundary between love and life. They have made people into that which should not be, that have made them too self-concious to realize their true emotions and who they really are.

 

It is past the time when we as people should have emerged from our vanity and avarice to confront ourselves with the prospect of interrelation, interconnectivity, spirit, and ultimately love as the true masters of all men, and we must rise up to cut this Gordian knot of contempt, vanity, and avarice that has enslaved our earth for thousands of years.

 

We must overcome that which has destroyed our communities.

 

We must overcome the plagues of man.

 

WE MUST OVERCOME AVARICE AND VANITY.

[Skuldur]

we must also overcome greed.

[Cyber Altair]

Many people don't really know what they're doing yet they do what they're doing due to the fact a man believes he has to do something. You won't be able to find someone who will be able to control anyone whether or not his/her intentions are righteous or not. Your vision is of a perfect place, too perfect.

[Wyhe]

In my opinion, I believe they do not need to be overcome for they are vital elements of the human nature.

 

Through greed, Man is able to achieve, invent or discover things/ways to further improve human lives. Without it, Man might spend all of eternity mired in sloth.

 

The greed of power leads to the unification of a nation by a tyrant, but the tyrant's actions will bring the nation into unity as shown with people with Qin Shihuang & Genghis Khan. Also, future leaders tend to understand how to govern better by learning the consequences of those tyrants.

 

Human beings are pitiful creatures that could be motivated to work harder through greed...or rather the offering of possible rewards. Therefore, greed invokes hard work among people. That is why capitalism tend to thrive a wealthy civilization over time, where else the "everyone gets $1 pay" thing that Communists use will send a nation crashing into poverty.

 

Overall speaking, I believe that the 7 Deadly Sins have existed within the souls of Man since birth & we could not avoid it. We need to acknowledge sins as something that renders us human for they are not evil. If we can maintain our lives by upholding our virtues while regarding our sins, it could be a way to overcome this for it is merely psychological.

[Cyber Altair]

I hate it when people tend to call Humans "pitiful creatures". My Dear "Pitiful Creature", humans are not really pitiful creature and support such an insult is an insult to your intelligence.

[Wyhe]

I hate it when people tend to call Humans "pitiful creatures". My Dear "Pitiful Creature"' date=' humans are not really pitiful creature and support such an insult is an insult to your intelligence.

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And I hate those people who do self-denial.

This is actually called the acknowledgment of human flaws instead.

[Cyber Altair]

I hate it when people tend to call Humans "pitiful creatures". My Dear "Pitiful Creature"' date=' humans are not really pitiful creature and support such an insult is an insult to your intelligence.

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And I hate those people who do self-denial.

This is actually called the acknowledgment of human flaws instead.

 

Humans have flaws, one is the constant need to find one. You forget that We > Anything else on this planet. Your just trying to "Go against the system" and find flaws and start the oh so great "revolution" for the sake of "something greater". Get real.

[HORUS]

we must also overcome greed.

 

Avarice (noun)

- excessive or insatiable desire or greed

 

 

 

Anyways, it seems like the above posters believe that greed is necessary in society. Is greed not defined as one of the seven deadly sins? Greed is the factor that causes a leader to become an oppressor. This is evidenced by the monarchs of Europe, the emperors of Asia, the dictators of the Middle East. These people consider themselves above all others by "divine right" or hereditary succession. All people are created equal and no man has the right to lead in a fashion such as the French kings and the British monarchs. Their extravagant lives are evidence of their vanity and greed. Even those monarchs who were purer of heart did not give up what they had in order to help the masses.

 

They are too vain to realize they have no greater traits than all others save their wealth, and too greedy to allow themselves to lose any of it for the profit of the public.

 

Tell me how greed and vanity are necessary to society.

 

 

 

I do not believe that these flaws can be eliminated entirely because they are natural human traits that cannot be removed, but to overcome them with love, to block our own vanity and avarice from controlling our hearts and minds. We can only overcome them and replace them with the love necessary to drive our world.

[Wyhe]

All people are created equal

 

Actually, all men are not really made equal.

 

Example, on what grounds are you & I born equal with?

Also, the environment we were born in is unequal to that of our forefather's time

Different people have varying experiences & POV, thus all men are unequal in all aspects.

 

In fact, unequality is the primary reason why there is strife & violence in this world.

[tonisanoob]

nah this is unneeded

 

just cut out war, the rest can stay personally id like to keep myself lookign sharp

[Cyber Altair]

All people are created equal

 

Actually' date=' all men are not really made equal.

 

Example, on what grounds are you & I born equal with?

Also, the environment we were born in is unequal to that of our forefather's time

Different people have varying experiences & POV, thus all men are unequal in all aspects.

 

In fact, unequality is the primary reason why there is strife & violence in this world.

[/quote']

 

No we both are equal. I may be smarter, he may be stronger and you might be somewhat unique but in the end we all are equal and deserve equal rights. Who are you to be a man of a higher position than mine? Wealth? Material? Social Rank? All of these mean nothing, what matters is that I, you and everyone exist for reasons seen differently through different points of view but we do exist to fullfill these needs. Think about it.

[Benraino]

Wow, thats all I have to say.

 

*starts to slowly clap*

[HORUS]

All people are created equal

 

Actually' date=' all men are not really made equal.

 

Example, on what grounds are you & I born equal with?

Also, the environment we were born in is unequal to that of our forefather's time

Different people have varying experiences & POV, thus all men are unequal in all aspects.

 

In fact, unequality is the primary reason why there is strife & violence in this world.

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The doubt of equality hinders progression.

 

All men are created equal, and each man takes his own course or his forced into a course. These separate courses define unequality.

[The Dark One]

All people are created equal

 

Actually' date=' all men are not really made equal.

 

Example, on what grounds are you & I born equal with?

Also, the environment we were born in is unequal to that of our forefather's time

Different people have varying experiences & POV, thus all men are unequal in all aspects.

 

In fact, unequality is the primary reason why there is strife & violence in this world.

[/quote']

 

No we both are equal. I may be smarter, he may be stronger and you might be somewhat unique but in the end we all are equal and deserve equal rights. Who are you to be a man of a higher position than mine? Wealth? Material? Social Rank? All of these mean nothing, what matters is that I, you and everyone exist for reasons seen differently through different points of view but we do exist to fullfill these needs. Think about it.

This is true.

 

We may be unequal in many ways. I could be smarter, stronger, wiser, faster, more skilled, etc. than you are. But so what? I can answer any argument that you, Raviel, give, with a simple: Why? or: So?

 

We are all equal, when it really comes down to it, in our purpose to further our race's progress. (Both technologically, yes that is a good thing, don't cancel the space program, and emotionally/socially) Most religions support this view, as well. (They often stagnate in certain ways, but they do generally support the ideal of humanity living peacefully with itself. Most are also open to further scientific development, though they find issues when they think that development contradicts scripture.)

[Cyber Altair]

All people are created equal

 

Actually' date=' all men are not really made equal.

 

Example, on what grounds are you & I born equal with?

Also, the environment we were born in is unequal to that of our forefather's time

Different people have varying experiences & POV, thus all men are unequal in all aspects.

 

In fact, unequality is the primary reason why there is strife & violence in this world.

[/quote']

 

No we both are equal. I may be smarter, he may be stronger and you might be somewhat unique but in the end we all are equal and deserve equal rights. Who are you to be a man of a higher position than mine? Wealth? Material? Social Rank? All of these mean nothing, what matters is that I, you and everyone exist for reasons seen differently through different points of view but we do exist to fullfill these needs. Think about it.

This is true.

 

We may be unequal in many ways. I could be smarter, stronger, wiser, faster, more skilled, etc. than you are. But so what? I can answer any argument that you, Raviel, give, with a simple: Why? or: So?

 

We are all equal, when it really comes down to it, in our purpose to further our race's progress. (Both technologically, yes that is a good thing, don't cancel the space program, and emotionally/socially) Most religions support this view, as well. (They often stagnate in certain ways, but they do generally support the ideal of humanity living peacefully with itself. Most are also open to further scientific development, though they find issues when they think that development contradicts scripture.)

 

All of the religions that I did go deep into learning actually concentrated on living in peaceful co-existence. I believe the whole religious crap was staged by a few geniuses in order to provide a reason or knowledge for people to do the right thing. I also agree with your second statement, I still remember the controversy around cloning between Muslims and how it wasn't the right thing due to the fact God is the only creator and all that stuff.

[HORUS]

We all SHOULD be equal, but differing levels of intensity in each individual's thought processes define an invisible and unconscious line of prejudice that must be crossed in order for our society to interconnect.

[CrabHelmet]

One more thing, gentlemen, before I quit. Thomas Jefferson once said that all men are created equal, a phrase that the Yankees and the distaff side of the Executive branch in Washington are fond of hurling at us. There is a tendency in this year of grace, 1935, for certain people to use this phrase out of context, to satisfy all conditions. The most ridiculous example I can think of is that the people who run public education promote the stupid and idle along with the industrious - because all men are created equal, educators will gravely tell you, the children left behind suffer terrible feelings of inferiority. We know all men are not created equal in the sense some people would have us believe - some people are smarter than others, some people have more opportunity because they're born with it, some men make more money than others, some ladies make better cakes than others - some people are born gifted beyond the normal scope of most men.

 

...which, naturally, was ripped off, degraded, and reversed for kids nowadays:

 

All men are not created equal. Some are born swifter of foot. Some with greater beauty. Some are born into poverty. And others born sick and feeble. Both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different. Yes, that is why people discriminate against one another, which is why there is struggle, competition, and the unfaltering march of progress. Inequality is not wrong; equality is!

[Wyhe]

...which' date=' naturally, was ripped off, degraded, and reversed for kids nowadays:

 

All men are not created equal. Some are born swifter of foot. Some with greater beauty. Some are born into poverty. And others born sick and feeble. Both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different. Yes, that is why people discriminate against one another, which is why there is struggle, competition, and the unfaltering march of progress. Inequality is not wrong; equality is!

[/quote']

Why do I have this feeling that I heard that exact speech somewhere...

 

And thanks that someone else here is on the side of me on this

[HORUS]

...which' date=' naturally, was ripped off, degraded, and reversed for kids nowadays:

 

All men are not created equal. Some are born swifter of foot. Some with greater beauty. Some are born into poverty. And others born sick and feeble. Both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different. Yes, that is why people discriminate against one another, which is why there is struggle, competition, and the unfaltering march of progress. Inequality is not wrong; equality is!

[/quote']

Why do I have this feeling that I heard that exact speech somewhere...

 

And thanks that someone else here is on the side of me on this

 

It was copied.

 

Am I to understand that you both think that some people should be treated as inferiors because of the way they were raised? That's the idea that so many people use to their advantage today to manipulate the weaker minded.

 

Bolder men are able to manipulate those they consider inferior because they impose the message of inferiority and inequality onto others. They force us to submit by degrading us and grinding on our emotion. They've set us up this buffet of lies, and I'm sick of it, and I won't take another bite out of it. We cannot allow ourselves to be crammed into this rat maze.

 

It's time we stoop up and got fired up about the real things, the things that matter: creativity and the defining human spirit that refuses to submit, the spirit of hope for a better future and equality and interrelation between all men.

[The Dark One]

One more thing' date=' gentlemen, before I quit. Thomas Jefferson once said that all men are created equal, a phrase that the Yankees and the distaff side of the Executive branch in Washington are fond of hurling at us. There is a tendency in this year of grace, 1935, for certain people to use this phrase out of context, to satisfy all conditions. The most ridiculous example I can think of is that the people who run public education promote the stupid and idle along with the industrious - because all men are created equal, educators will gravely tell you, the children left behind suffer terrible feelings of inferiority. We know all men are not created equal in the sense some people would have us believe - some people are smarter than others, some people have more opportunity because they're born with it, some men make more money than others, some ladies make better cakes than others - some people are born gifted beyond the normal scope of most men.

 

...which, naturally, was ripped off, degraded, and reversed for kids nowadays:

 

All men are not created equal. Some are born swifter of foot. Some with greater beauty. Some are born into poverty. And others born sick and feeble. Both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different. Yes, that is why people discriminate against one another, which is why there is struggle, competition, and the unfaltering march of progress. Inequality is not wrong; equality is!

[/quote']

 

You're missing the point. Of course, in our talents we are different. One person may be stronger, smarter, faster, wiser, and better at pretty much everything, than is another person. However, that does not truly affect whether or not they can be judged equal. Those differences are superficial, for both are members of the human race, and both exist for the furthering of the human race. Each must play the part he can. (Some can paly more of a part than others) As long as both devote themselves to their objective, they are equal.

 

I agree with you that holding back the intelligent for the sake of the stupid, etc. is dumb, but that's not what's at issue here.

[CrabHelmet]

Those of you who objected to the first speech don't seem to recognize its source. If you did, you would know that it goes on to say this:

 

But there is one way in this country in which all men are created equal - there is one human institution that makes a pauper the equal of a Rockefeller, the stupid man the equal of an Einstein, and the ignorant man the equal of any college president. That institution, gentlemen, is a court. It can be the Supreme Court of the United States or the humblest J.P. court in the land, or this honorable court which you serve. Our courts have their faults, as does any human institution, but in this country our courts are on the great levelers, and in our courts all men are created equal.

 

I'm no idealist to believe firmly in the integrity of our courts and in the jury system - that is no ideal to me, it is a living, working reality. Gentlemen, a court is no better than each man of you sitting before me on this jury. A court is only as sound as its jury, and a jury is only as sound as the men who make it up. I am confident that you gentlemen will review without passion the evidence you have heard, come to a decision, and restore this defendant to his family. In the name of God, do your duty.

 

Basically, the point is that people are not the same, but should be treated equally.

 

The second speech is a ripoff of the first whose point has been twisted around and reversed, but since it is delivered by the antagonist instead of the protagonist, I suppose that is understandable.

[「tea.leaf」]

If we didn't have greed, we wouldn't hate each other.

 

If we weren't pretentious, we wouldn't hate each other.