Freedom of Speech

[Frunk]

Hello again,

 

I am very disappointed that ~Raven~ saw fit to lock the "Remember the Good Ol' Days?" thread before I got to make a rebuttal towards the ridiculous and weak arguments intended to smear me and my points of view. Whatever the cost I will not allow myself to be silenced without having my word, especially after all I have done for this forum (and we'll get to that, Phoenix...). Now, I shall resume, and I must say, Falling Pizza and/or ~Raven~ and/or other miscellaneous moderators with power in this section, if you would be so kind as to simply merge this topic with the aforementioned locked one, rather than delete it, I would be very grateful. However, I know that my respect comes with little value, so I'll have you know I'm willing to take a ban if you are so inclined as to see this long-overdue demonstration of free speech as deserving so: just as long as this thread is either merged as I suggested or simply locked and left as it is.

 

Figure 1: James' post.

What I am trying to say is that now the moderation team appears to have been tainted into the belief that Matt was in fact certainly involved in the first porn incident' date=' whilst having no proof to support this. This seeming-McCarthyism effects new moderators as they come.[/quote']Not all the Moderation Team, do you forget i too like you, wished for Matt to be unbanned, and argued my case on the Mod Forum.

 

Looking back those many months ago, and reviewing the situation, i can say that the porn spamming was blown out of control, i was given evidence by Moderators and members that Matt was responsible, but however much we recieved, i personally thought Matt was not responsible, in the leading role. I believe Matt, after a given time, may have helped out, but only out of revenge for him being made a scapegoat and also because of his swift unexplained banning from YCMaker.

 

That however is the past, i personally think the fued between YCM and SXR should end as it is rather childish now.

 

Tea should be allowed another chance, dont forget that Jerry was made Moderator again after losing his powers for abusing them.

 

Matt should be unbanned.

 

YCMaker should select more Moderators, and himself and Pizza, should try to act on current members and Moderators advice more, we have so many suggestions for improvement, but none are put into action.

 

I actually have no response to this post other than that it is highly enlightening to see from you James, and that it is now a pivotal part of my pending argument against Figure 4.

 

Figure 2: Proto's post.

 

[...] Frunk weren't you supposed to be gone?

 

Most remiss of me Proto' date=' I forgot that on YCM, not everyone can be trusted to read long posts. Once again, this must have something to do with the audience of this forum, which I said earlier, in the very same post in which I explained that I am in fact "gone", is highly juvenile and has a tendency to not care. I am on a temporary stopover, to observe the response to a topic that quoted me as its main argument. I shall be gone after the cessation of this latest thread's activity. Never the likes of you should worry.

 

Figure 3: Dark Edo Phoenix's post.

Hello everyone' date='

 

I decided to make this one post to clear up all the misconceptions and silence those who disagree with my argument. For the record, that particular message was written back in early September of this year as part of an event on SXR. I stand by everything I wrote and let me say, everything I have said is in fact correct and the utter, bitter truth. If you have access to SXR, I suggest you read it, as while I am honoured and surprised to be quoted after all this time, that’s just two paragraphs of my eight paragraph argument, and I think it flows better when read in whole.

 

I would like to point out that I do not hate this site, nor do I think it's a bad site, but I am merely critical of something that was at one stage a major part of my life. The moderation of this site is below a standard that is required for a forum of this size to run efficiently, and some of the moderators themselves are indeed incompetent (I'm not here to point out who), but even so this is not always entirely the fault.

 

Keep in mind that I have not observed how this forum has been going in over two months, so I suppose things may have changed. Irrespective, during the time I was here, as well as during the time I was still partially observing the site, the problem was (and hence the reason for the problem from the previous paragraph), of course, the administration. YCMaker was (and may still be) trying to moderate when he should be administrating. While of course he can moderate at times, his prime concerns should be (a) making sure the forum is entertaining and (b) hiring and training moderators. [b']What? I've never seen YCMaker moderate, I've never seen him lock a thread or anything.[/b]

 

This is why many moderators of this site uncontrollably lose their way when trying to do their jobs (despite some of us managing to learn from scratch, but I won’t dwell on this). YCMaker just “makes” moderators and expects them to learn the rest on their own, which, when dealing with a forum based on such a… juvenile topic, is difficult and unlikely. During my time on the site, other than the occasional announcement, YCMaker rarely gave any moderators, myself included, instructions on what to do in terms of their everyday tasks and, more importantly, he failed to tell them how to do their job as whole. What's to instruct? Look at the rules and enforce them for their section(s).

 

As I wrote in quoted article – this is the problem, and this is what is pathetic, as it can so easily be avoided. Is it perhaps that YCMaker is just unsure of how to administrate properly? I would expect so, but in his defence there is no how-to guide to administrating a forum (or moderating one, for that matter, but that didn’t stop myself, Ty and others), but if this was the case he could’ve always asked for help.

 

I’ll say to Max, the ever-wavering patriarch, and all the others in this thread who have come out in staunch defence of their beloved forum, that you are missing the point. As the old fact states, when something in your life is so important, it’s easy to see it in black and white as something that is perfect and miraculously unable to ever become tainted. In reality, everything has its flaws, and in this case they are speckled infinitely over what many of you probably consider being a major part of your life, and coloured in countless shades of grey… You do not hate this site or consider this a bad site, remember? Saying we have infinite gray-shaded (kinda evil and corrupt and bad) flaws speckled over the forum isn't exactly a compliment now is it? Oh you hate YCM alright. You think it doesn't remember or care about what you've done, and this is true, mainly due to the fact that you've done nothing but attack us lately.

 

Furthermore, some of you may consider SXR to not have the right to an opinion. Some of you may laugh at us and think we are wasting our time. Some of you may think we are evil and hell-bent on destroying your “livelihoods” here. Let me say that all these are wrong. We are allowed to have an opinion via the process of free thought and its conversion into free speech, which of course includes that that is written. We are not wasting our time by bothering ourselves with the likes of your forum because anything on the internet may be seen as entertainment. Irrespective, you would find, if you visited SXR, that YCM is not a big topic as I’ll admit it once was, and that many members of our stuff frown upon its discussion. Lastly, we are certainly not hell-bent on “destroying YCM”, “causing a revolution”, “terrorising you” or anything of the sort. The former two are a waste of time (as Sartorism proved) and the latter is in effect, not worth it, as we’ve all seen how this site responds to what it considers “terrorism”.

 

Also, and this refers largely to Dark Edo Phoenix I'm just so honored... and his tendency to pull anti-SXR propaganda out of nowhere and fling it shamelessly onto the forum, please, by all means, have your opinions on our SXR. Shout them to your forum and discuss them with great enthusiasm. Nothing is grander for a forum than pride. However, should you choose to do this, I ask and strongly suggest that you get your facts straight, make your argument in a well-set-out manner and remember that we will always reserve the right of free speech and respond if we see fit. And I suggest you tell me which "facts" I didn't get straight.

 

Remember your place my fellow YCMers. "Our place"? In what? We don't have "a place", we are free to do whatever we want if so we choose, we will not be limited by placings. Remember that we will do what we want and that you may do what you want. Remember that you may not always know the full story of your forum. Remember.

 

Frunk.

 

What I find funny is the fact that you flame our mods (Raven, hioco, etc) when you yourself were never an active mod since I joined back in April. Alot can happen over a period of 7 months, yet you cling to your time in which you stopped things like "Sartorism" and "The Grammar War", which few people here have any reason to remember, because you're not giving them any reason to remember, you've done nothing for us in those 7+ months, and it doesn't matter nearly as much as what you do now tell us how much YCM sucks and not do a goddamn thing to help it.

 

I'm not pulling anti-SXR propoganda, I'm just saying YCM doesn't suck as much as you'd like us to think it does, and that I don't want "OMG YCM SUCKS!" to be a major topic in SXR.

 

Firstly I shall say I do hate when people respond to an argument in the quote box it came and fail to properly distinguish their points from the ones they are arguing against, other than the simply and easily misinterpreted use of bold. Never fear, I have many I other bones I shall pick with you, and refrain from dwelling on your lack of debating etiquette.

 

Your first "point", was in response to my statement that YCMaker does too much moderation for the good of the forum. You responded with a claim that you personally never observe YCMaker doing any moderation. I'll have you know that your observation is lacking merit for a number of reasons. Firstly, YCMaker has himself used the excuse (during the time that I was still active, which you did not witness) that new moderators are not entirely necessary because he himself moderates all that requires moderating. You did mention the fact that I have not been active since February, and you are correct, but I have already addressed this, as I quote:

 

Keep in mind that I have not observed how this forum has been going in over two months' date=' so I suppose things may have changed.[/quote']

 

Secondly, if I remember correctly, YCMaker's aforementioned argument was posted in the Moderator's Forum, thus you, nor I, for that matter, have no way of knowing (a) whether I am in fact correct nor (b) whether things have changed. While I personally hung up my anti-YCM boots a long while ago, there surely must be some reason that anti-YCM topics still occasionally appear on SXR. Bitterness only extends so far.

 

Thirdly, and you may already know this, but I'll remind you that moderation is certainly not as simple as "locking threads". It more often refers to the general observation of threads (to ensure that no rules have been/are being broken), the response of questions; private messages or otherwise, involving general issues that members bring up with moderators, and (since YCMaker fails to do so himself) the organisation of topics, events and/or activities to keep members interested in the forum. "Locking threads" is a gross understatement.

 

Finally, it is highly possible that YCMaker has become even-less inclined as to do any real work on the forum itself, moderation front-and-centre.

 

Your second point was in response to my statement that YCMaker fails to give moderators instructions on how to do their jobs, to which you responded, foolishly, I'll add, their jobs are outlined in the rules of each forum. Oh, of course! You're right, aren't you? No, you're not! Do you know why?

 

Firstly, the rules of each forum do not come with the forum, nor is there a place you can (without plagiarising) obtain such rules (especially since this forum is unlike any other in the topics it discusses), nor do they magically write and post themselves, nor (note emphasis) did YCMaker write and post them. The main rules were written by Ty with some help from me and eventually later additions and revisions from other members. The rules of each forum were written by moderators who were/are in control of that forum.

 

The point is that YCMaker did not do anything. This forum is incredibly lucky that its moderators, while some are corrupt, have the initiative to do things without YCMaker's instructions. Furthermore, how are moderators to know if the rules they write, post and then enforce are correct and fair? I'll have you know that YCMaker does not have any say in their scrutiny if any is required. They are scrutinised in a democratic way by the collective of the moderation team itself. This is why I have argued that the moderators are not to blame for their incompetence, but YCMaker.

 

Your third point was in response to my comment about many members seeing this site in black and white and declare it prefect while ignoring the countless speckles of imperfection that are coloured in "infinite shades of grey". You used another comment of mine (the one in which I said I do not hate YCM, nor do I wish it anything bad) to try and counter this comment.

 

Simply, you've misconstrued my "shades of grey" comment (and this could be for a number of reasons, which I will try and point out) as an attack on YCM. First, I'll give you a bit of background on the term "The world is not just black and white, but coloured in infinite shades of grey". I'll admit it's not as well-known as some sayings, but it essentially refers to how too many people see things as either "this or that", and forget the other possibilities, and that nothing is in fact "perfect". Reminding YCMers that their site is in fact not perfect as some of them believe is not an attack or an "evil" slur. Just something to remind those who I was talking to in that paragraph to try and keep their heads out of the clouds.

 

Furthermore, I have long-since realised that this site does not remember me and what I did, but you are wrong if you think this frustrates me. Rather, I care for it still and wish to save it from itself, but I am growing closer and closer to thinking that such actions are a lost-cause. Also, I'd like to point out that I personally have not been involved in what you called "SXR's recent attacks on YCM". I was actually not of the knowledge that anything has been happening between the two forums until I was informed of the "Remember the Good Ol' Days?" thread. As a matter of fact, not only have I had little input to the YCM-related discussion on SXR, I have not been overly active on SXR itself. Please don't accuse me of things again.

 

Your fourth comment was to do with my statement that you needed to get your facts straight, to which you replied with the question of which facts you had not gotten straight. Not including the false-truths you presumed were correct in the post I am currently quoting, the only major fact you did not have "straight" were the ones to do with the Encyclopaedia Dramatica article on YCM. You claimed that Matt created it (which is not true, as has been pointed out to you by others), and that its intent was anything but "for a laugh" (when in fact it is simply tongue-in-cheek, as is the rest of Encyclopaedia Dramatica). You personally, did not make many other mistakes (nor were you originally debating me, so I have largely ignored your points until now). Remember that I was not talking exclusively to you, but rather to anyone who plans on trying to deface Matt and/or SXR as you attempted.

 

Your fifth comment was to do with my request that YCMers remember their place. This comment was intended to be read in conjunction with the other "remember" requests and nothing more than a reiteration that YCM is not the "black and white picture of perfection" that you think it is.

 

Finally, in response to your statement of your amusement that I have not been active since before you joined, I must tell you that that is irrelevant - For this forum is more than three years old, and the fact that I haven't been around for its more recent escapades does not mean that I should be immediately disregarded as not-knowing what I am talking about, nor does it make my opinions any less substantial. Furthermore, once again I have never said that "YCM sucks" - this is just you attempting to belittle me (a common tactic employed by novice debaters), which can never honestly work.

 

In conclusion, you need to try and see the bigger picture, and remember that just because the past "7 months" are the time in which you have been here, it does not make that time any more important than the rest of the history of the forum.

 

Figure 4: Falling Pizza's post.

 

...forget your great "we need a scapegoat" campaign which appears to have not only brainwashed a large number of YCMers' date=' but as well the YCM moderation team who created it while waiting for their "super-admin" to do something...[/quote']

 

That is absolutely, 100% inaccurate. Our actions were based entirely on evidence that Draco had participated in the raids, and that is all.

 

 

In the first image I have blurred out the offensive words.

 

I believe you forgot to mention "Pics unrelated". As I'll point out to you and everyone else that those screen shots are, as the dates of the messages pictured indicate, were taken in October this year. The porn incident and the banning of Matt extend very-far back into early this year. If that is your "evidence", it holds no merit whatsoever. While I did see what we all agreed at the time was enough to ban Matt, I now realise I was consumed by the greed of the job - the use of a scapegoat to keep things in order. What I want is this "evidence" to be made public, so everyone else can see it, since after all, we were right, weren't we?.

 

Furthermore, if what I have said is indeed "absolutely, 100% inaccurate", then explain this points to me. Why has Matt so staunchly proclaimed his innocence (keeping in mind he has his own site, and therefore no longer needs YCM)? Why has James, a highly decorated moderator, one of the most beloved and trusted members on the site, and an extremely high-posting member, come out in support of Matt, despite, you would think from his moderator status making him on the "inside" of the Moderator's forum and its going-ons, him having seen all the "evidence" you so avidly claim not only exists, but is bullet-proof? How come this information not been made public to the forum, keeping in mind the immense headache it has caused this site's command (surely it's worth it)?

 

Chat logs can be edited, my friend. Screen shots of people saying Draco Straybyrn is the poster of a thread on 4chan is not solid, my friend, and even so, his extreme disdain for being wrongfully-banned almost warrants such a post, if it was indeed him. Honestly, despite being on the inside of SXR now, I don't know. All I have is Matt's word, which I trust, but again, a man's word is not bullet-proof evidence, my friend.

 

Thank you all for your attention.

 

Frunk.

[CinnamonStar]

I locked the other thread because it had turned into a flaming orgy, but I apologize that I didn't give you the chance to reply before that.=) You could have actually PMed me your response, though, and I would have posted it in the thread.

 

In relation to your 3rd point, a moderator mentorship program has already been instaured and I'm really glad about it.

I understood how the forum works and I try to put as many suggestions from the members into consideration, but I tend to have some issues with actually deciphering the wishes of the members. I get so many different comments that I tend to lose track and I'm not entirely sure anymore about the expectations of the community.=/

[Frunk]

I think a resolution to this problem would be to simply implement someone who can act as a proper coordinator of the moderation team if YCMaker intends to continue lurking in the background. It would need to be someone whose not afraid to act on whim, who shows good initiative and has at least some experience of how moderation is done. While I'm not certain I'm sure someone in the current moderation team is capable of this.

[Chaotix®]

I know that my respect comes with little value

 

Disagreed.

 

I know you my not know who I am, the reason of this being that I have been on this forum for merely 2 months. However, from what I have seen on the "Remember the Good Ol' Days?" thread, I realize that your views of YCM do not differ greatly from mine. You have gained my utmost respect.

 

I am afraid to say however, that one of the most capable members of the mod team, J-Max, has left YCM. I can only see the situation on YCM worsening.

 

I also believe that YCMaker should be a little less passive. At least a little bio or an insight, would help us understand and appreciate our fellow admin to a greater extent.

 

 

This was my opinion. I mean to start no argument, or cause no harm, so do not contradict this post ^_^

[Frunk]

I thank you for your compliments, my friend. It's always good to see a fresh breath of intelligence appearing on this site, and I will say that you are not incorrect on any of your points at all.

[Protoman]

Frunk, I do usually read your fricken long post, but really man,now your acting like a shell of your former self, your becoming Dan. We already lost him,and we for sure don't want to lose you. Also Chaotix is right, we really are losing the mod team,also mods I do not want you to come in right now or later and post"its not your problem to worry about"or any kind of BS like that. I get that alot. Frunk, Dan couldn't win, you maybe, still can't you former mods keep silent? Thats what you were supposed to do when you left. Also Frunk I once had respect for you, now I have none. When you left wasn't it supposed to be for good? I do not want you our any other former mod or mod to tell me not to worry about it if were losing our mod team we are in a bad situation now. YCM is, well going to lose alot in the next few months at this rate.

[Frunk]

Proto. I apologise if my response to you was rather brazen, but I must say there is nothing I appreciate less than being blunting questioned as to why I am back when I come back. I find it highly rude unless done politely.

 

In case you were curious, I did get your PM about Danilus. I'll clear up a few things for you. The post made using Dan's account that led to his account being banned was not actually Dan, it was in fact, if I remember correctly, Matt. Matt had gotten in contact with Dan and acquired his permission to use Dan's account.

 

Dan only did this because he himself no loner cared for the forum and wanted to support Matt in his attempt to clear his name.

 

Now, I will ask you, why must I remain silent? This forum made me what I am today, and for this reason I hate to see it morph into something incomparable to its former self. This is what is happening. Therefore, I will be critical of YCM and voice my opinions of it as on a forum, this is the only way to influence change.

 

I am a Former Moderator not only by choice, but by request. There is nothing for me here any more other than memories and a small amount of hope that this site can be salvaged and turned back into something that can create memories like the ones I have for others. It no longer concerns me that this may leave me banned and/or branded as a tyrant, and I have also accepted that I may inevitably lose a lot of respect along the way.

 

Everything in life has its price - this is a great tragedy.

[Protoman]

Since when did you start acting all high and mighty Frunk? I don't give a damn about Dan if it was him or not, all I know is your acting like the Dan was. Finding me asking why your back rude? Bah, that is jsut a simple innocent question. Frunk your voice ,your opinions, I don't care about that. YCM is waht it is leave it be. YOu used to be a big shot, right now your not, your a former big shot acting like one again. THere will be a new hero in time to save YCM but it definately isn't going to be you.

[Chaotix®]

^ I do not agree.

 

Frunk is simply voicing his opinion, and no one has rights to tell him otherwise.

 

You may it sound like Frunk is against YCM. But if you truly analyze what he is saying, he wants YCM to be a better experience for us all, as it was for him.

 

But that is the catch. Is there a way to restore YCM to its previous state, or has the damage become irreversible? If it has become irreversible, I'm sorry to say Frunk, even voicing your opinion cannot do anything to change these circumstances.

 

So, any plans of action? Opinions alone cannot change things. I am willing to help you, if you do have any ideas ^_^

[CinnamonStar]

Frunk, most of the people here still have a lot of respect for you and this is not going to change. My statements in the other thread were not directed towards you, but towards the members who keep complaining and whining without offering any suggestion or alternative and while contributing into destroying the forum. I am thankful for justified comments of all kinds, however if people point at others, but fail to realize that they're destroying the site themselves, I'm not sure about what I should believe anymore.

 

However, you make it sound as if the current staff team would be utterly satisfied with what is going on around the forums right now while it is not the case.

But yeah, I have already thrown my 2 cents about this.=/

 

And Proto, people are rarely born "heroes". Sometimes they need the input of former "heroes" to really produce something constructive and save the situation.

[Frunk]

You're humouring me Proto. I say one bad word about you and look what happens? You begin to fling insults and accusations all over the place.

 

I do not consider myself high and mighty. If I did, I would be doing far more than just posting my arguments and replying to the responses as they come.

 

If you don't give a damn about Danilus, then fine, it only proves my point that many YCMers have indeed forgotten their place - this, before I need to explain it again, is that there are many months of history before the few months you've been here.

 

Believe me, I am not the YCM hero, but there will not be a hero as long as there are members like you with the mentalities that you have. That every person who is the slightest bit arrogant about what they think about you is out to get you, and that everything you hold dear is automatically perfect.

 

Anyway, Chaotix, I must agree with you that if the damage is irreversible then I may indeed be wasting my time. I don't think so. Even if I fail, and this site gets worse, there is the hope that one day my message will be read and that someone with a better idea of fixing things with me (perhaps even YCMaker), will put them into action.

 

As for ideas, well, I'm at a loss. I've seen Matt campaign for months for justice to do with his ban, but YCMaker and Falling Pizza have failed to yield. In comparison to the greater function of the forum, Matt's struggle is a dwarf in terms of importance. Without cooperation from YCMaker, or an extreme show of initiative from a member of the moderation team who fearlessly takes charge, throwing caution (and YCMaker's reaction to their actions) to the wind, change seems highly unlikely.

 

One thing that has been previously tried is the establishment of new forums, but these often fail due to lack of support, and really don't solve the problem, but just dodge it. Irrespective, I appreciate your offer, and I suggest you leave it open until we find out whether YCMaker and/or Falling Pizza will respond to this.

 

~Raven~, I noticed after reading your post concisely that you were merely attempting to quell the pointless flaming going on in the thread, hence I decided I didn't need to respond to it. I thank you for your compliment as well, and will post a little bit of my response to your message from just before that I think may help the situation.

 

Which moderators inparticular are responsible is not what is important. What is important is that there is an issue at all. It concerns me that rants about YCM still appear on SXR. Why? Well' date=' you and I both know the current moderation team is far from perfect, therefore it can't be presumed that those who rant on SXR are doing so because they did something wrong and were punished swiftly yet fairly. We both know that some of these moderators are corrupt, and/or bias, and/or consumed by a number of possible hidden-agendas. It could help if someone was to study each moderator and make an analysis, or we could look into an easier option: Discipline the moderation team itself.

 

Once there is order there will be no room for corruption. I'm not talking discipline as in punishment, but as in control. At this point in time, you might as well make twenty new forums, put each moderator in charge of their own, whilst disabling their administration abilities - this is essentially what things are like. There should only be one person on a forum who can run-a-muck and be corrupt (as vile as it is), and that is the root administrator. Here, there is no root administrator, just an empty throne with half a dozen ego-fueled moderators all using his vacancy as a prop to achieve their own desires.

 

I expect those like you, on the other hand, who are genuinely doing what they are doing for the forum as a whole and not for themselves, are the ones who could fill that position - the ones who could become the coordinator and set this forum back on the right track. However how can you do it? The other moderators are so corrupted they will refuse any authority unless YCMaker himself becomes the coordinator, or appoints one. This is the problem.[/quote']

[Junk Raver]

Is there a way to restore YCM to its previous state' date=' or has the damage become irreversible? [/quote']

 

This forum can be fixed and be returned to a near 'golden' state, but it requires some actions which can be seen by those who do them, as radical.

 

The Matt situation is one of them, for the SXR Vs. YCM, porn spamming and all that jazz, to be discontinued, it would require YCMaker to make his move of allowing the unbanning of Matt and release of all things SD Dueler related to be put on view, which would be, for him, a hard thing to do.

 

The newly made 'Suggestions' thread is also another Key to restoration, allowing the members to have their say and get the forum back on track from a user perspective is a must.

 

There are also reasons i did not state my true views regarding Matt back those many months ago, the Moderators were so intent on scapegoating Matt and digging as much dirt from members as possible made anyone who supported Matt an attack target and a person to watch. With rumours flying around about Moderators giving out Mod Forum information, i would have made myself look suspicious by supporting the scapegoated.

[Exyst]

I only hope it is restored....

 

I am too young as a member to understand any of this.

[Brushfire]

Hello again Reece, I seem to see you around a lot.

 

While I admit that I was not around for YCM's "golden" days I admit that January was certainly a great era for the forum.

 

I'm going to go ahead and agree with everything you've said, especially the comments on the Moderation Team and YCMaker.

 

I do not like how YCM's current Moderators see themselves as "high and mighty" and as Icy said, "They should be members first and Moderators second". Being a Moderator does not give you a higher status on the forum, it gives you a job. It gives you a job to help the forum, not go ahead inflating your ego with "lol i r mod" comments. This does not apply to all the Moderators, but the majority of them.

 

YCMaker needs to be active. No question.

A Kingdom is nothing without it's King. So what's a Forum without it's Administrator(s)?

The above is one of the greatest quotes I have ever seen in my time here, as it is 100% true. If YCMaker isn't going to be active, then we need someone that is to be Administrator. They also need an FTP account, I'm getting bored with YCM's pure lack of Plugins. MyBB doesn't suck as such, but YCM makes it seem so with around 3-4 Plugins installed.

 

You still hold my utmost respect, and I'm agreeing with you on everything mentioned here.

[Obi-wan Cannoli]

Hello again, long time no see. The forum is, whether we like it or not, in a state of disorder and or chaos. I support Frunk on the actions too organize the moderators and, most importantly, get a coordinator for what needs too be done. A long time ago I would have thought YCMaker to be the first choice but now that's just a dream. While I am sure there are people here who are very capable of doing this job, I don't believe anyone who can will get the chance. Too make a long story short, I agree with Frunk on all of his positions. I like him am out of ideas but will support a cause to help YCM.

 

You said you respect comes with little value. Next time you think that search a little deeper. There are many sensible members out there who have complete and utter respect for you, you where, are, and always will be a great member and a great person.

[Jesus]

'Ello, Frunk.

 

Yes, you are utterly correct. This website has gone into unfortunate chaos and hypocritical madness, with the so called 'law enforcement' of the forums, thinking that because they have power that they can use it. Unfortunatly for this site, there is no hope. All of the lies that the so called 'Legendary' members are feeding you are complete lies. There is no hope for this website. There are too many members that think they can get away with practicly anything nowadays, and in their opinion, it doesn't matter if they get 'banned'.

 

The only way this website could ever get back to it's so called 'Golden Days', is if most of the current moderators were fired, and that if some members that would actually do good for the forum came into play. Those who were good for the people.

 

But unfortunatly, most of the website is filled with overweight 11 year olds who have no grammar skill whatsoever. So there is barley anymore mature enough memebers who realize what level of maturity it takes to actually maintain internet forums that are overloaded with members.

 

I mean, let's face it. There is going to be so many new members that don't know where to post, think they can become a moderator by asking, and thinking that when they post they are automaticly entitled posts like 'OMG 10/10 NICE CARDZ' or 'OMG NICE DECK OMGGGG' or 'OH EM GEEZ NICE BANNERZ' instead of honest comments.

[ragnarok1945]

Hello again Reece' date=' I seem to see you around a lot.

 

While I admit that I was not around for YCM's "golden" days I admit that January was certainly a great era for the forum.

 

I'm going to go ahead and agree with everything you've said, especially the comments on the Moderation Team and YCMaker.

 

I do not like how YCM's current Moderators see themselves as "high and mighty" and as Icy said, "They should be members first and Moderators second". Being a Moderator does not give you a higher status on the forum, it gives you a job. It gives you a job to help the forum, not go ahead inflating your ego with "lol i r mod" comments. This does not apply to all the Moderators, but the majority of them.

 

YCMaker needs to be active. No question.

A Kingdom is nothing without it's King. So what's a Forum without it's Administrator(s)?

The above is one of the greatest quotes I have ever seen in my time here, as it is 100% true. If YCMaker isn't going to be active, then we need someone that is to be Administrator. They also need an FTP account, I'm getting bored with YCM's pure lack of Plugins. MyBB doesn't suck as such, but YCM makes it seem so with around 3-4 Plugins installed.

 

You still hold my utmost respect, and I'm agreeing with you on everything mentioned here.

 

Despite being a relatively new member here, I have been on enough forums to understand where you are all coming from (mainly the yugiohfans.co.uk forum)

 

For those who say the moderators have a "high and mighty" problem (and it is far too early for me to tell), this is simply a position matter. On forums I've been to, some mods feel that because they have such a position, they're free to do whatever they feel like, no one has the power to do anything about it (I've had cases where they purpose flame the regular members to provoke a response out of them just so they can ban them).

 

This power mods hold can certainly make them think that way, and it is the reason why some forums the mods power abuse so much, in how they think they can make the rules whatever they want, but only the regular members have to obey them, but they themselves are above those rules.

 

In addition, you're right, Faint Brushfire. Being a mod means you have the responsibility to monitor the forum (and try to give activity to me whenever possible), not for you to go around with the "I am all powerful" attitude, and expecting all the regular members to go around obeying everything you tell them to.

 

Icy is right as well. The purpose of the mods is to bring activity to the forum if they feel its fading, not simply expect the regular members must adjust to THEIR standards.

 

Dark Raver had written that the suggestion thread is the key to bringing activity to the forum, but in order for this to work, it would require mods to actually go there and read the threads. And while I mean no disrespect to any mod/admin on YCM, but the forums I've been to with the suggestion threads were all ignored, where the mods/admin feel only THEY can be right and have good ideas, whereas the regular members are nothing but mindless monkeys who are incapable thinking ANYTHING logical.

 

In response to 72night who had said "A Kingdom is nothing without it's King. So what's a Forum without it's Administrator(s)?", I respond with this:

 

The admin/mods still only people, they are not the forum's gods. The regular members are NOT mindless puppets for them to control as they please.

 

In addition, as a king it is you who serve the people, not them who serve you. Thus from a YCM standpoint for mods, priority is given to the regular members. If this means it makes your job busier, then that's the way it has to be.

 

Per that quote, I believe 72night is implying without the head (the admin), the body (regular members) is nothing. But answer me this: what is a kingdom if there's no one in it BUT the king?

 

From what I've read in this thread, the conflict seems to be this: everyone wants more activity on YCM, but the mods are not willing to change their ways. This is not possible. Either you change your ways and activity is brought back, or you keep your ways and activity remains low. You cannot expect regular members to adjust to every possible rule you make just to suit YOUR benefits.

 

Again, as I am relatively new I mean no disrespect to the mod/admin here. For anyone I have offended, I apologize. I am only taking this from previous experience I've had with other forums.

[Falling Pizza]

Frunk: I apologize for not opening the thread to allow you to respond. I was rushed at the time and needed to get out the door, otherwise I would have. I'm glad you created this thread to resume discussion.

 

As for your claim that the 4Chan screenshots are not from the time period the ban took place, you're correct. I've been told that 4chan is not entirely trustworthy either, although I don't visit it. I was just throwing those images out there since they were a piece of evidence, although not entirely trustworthy, that I had immediately on hand.

 

I'm also interested as to your claim that a man's word is not sufficient evidence, when you have in fact taken Matt's word as evidence enough to staunchly argue his side. The evidence that we gathered towards our case was not only the word of one man, but of many, so I'm interested as to your reasoning why you trust Matt's word but not the word of the multiple people who testified to him being involved. If you'd like a refresher on who specifically implicated Draco, I can give you a few names off the top of my head:

 

A few initial warnings:

 

Jerry:

Yup; that's his plan

 

To outporn the entire site...

 

At least, that's what he told me...

 

His plan is pretty much really not going to work =/

 

Posted on 4-29-08 at 12:00 AM.

 

Not to mention these words from your moth:

 

He has been discussing the possibility of "raids on YCM" on my forum. I'm distancing myself from such activities, and would attempt to ban him for such discussion but I fear he will carry out threats subliminally made against my site in terms of hacking it.

 

 

 

 

Faint Brushfire chat log w/ Darth Browarod. Both of them can testify that this conversation existed:

 

me: dang, man, what happened to you?

me: you used to be cool

Faint Brushfire: Wanna know what happened?

Faint Brushfire: Draco/Matt happened.

me: let me guess, he "opened your eyes"

Faint Brushfire: Well done.

me: a better analogy would be he shoved your face in s*** and told you "soz the internetz"

Faint Brushfire: No, I showed me sense.

Faint Brushfire: Notice how every good YCMer has left.

Faint Brushfire: Apart from you.

Faint Brushfire: And Icy I guess.

me: good is relative

Faint Brushfire: Good is good.

me: which is realtive

me: relative*

me: obviously your sense of good is a lot different thatn mine

Faint Brushfire: Obviously my YCM Views are a lot different then yours.

me: never said they weren't

18:55

me: all I'm saying is that maybe Matt isn't the best role model

Faint Brushfire: He wanted me to mass porn spam the site.

Faint Brushfire: I refused and said I only wanted to SPAM, flame and troll.

me: well, at least you've still got some sense

me: do you find it fun?

Faint Brushfire: Not really, but it annoys the SUPAH MODS!

me: lol, you're not annoying, you're just a minor inconvenience

*Faint Brushfire is offering to send file DO IT fa****.txt*

*Starting transfer of DO IT fa****.txt from Faint Brushfire*

Faint Brushfire: He wanted me to post this.

Faint Brushfire: Everywhere.

*Transfer of file DO IT fa****.txt complete*

Faint Brushfire: Bad, eh?

me: I'm not even going to look at the links

Faint Brushfire: Don't.

me: and just take a wild stab and say yes

Faint Brushfire: I didn't.

Faint Brushfire: Yeah.

Faint Brushfire: I was... put off by that.

me: that;s the same story, though, that the most recent spammer was posting

me: as any normal human being would be

Faint Brushfire: That was Draco, the spammer.

me: the second one?

Faint Brushfire: The one who posted the s*** in the Notepad file.

me: oh

me: so, yeah, the most recent spammer

Faint Brushfire: Yeah.

me: how do you know this?

19:00

Faint Brushfire: I speak to Matt all the time.

me: ah

Faint Brushfire: Meh.

Faint Brushfire: I'm not too sure what to think of Matt...

Faint Brushfire: He's cool, but...

Faint Brushfire: Matt is the cancer. He kills the /b/

me: I know

me: truthfully, the only reason I hang out on SXR is for the arcade

Faint Brushfire: Lol.

 

 

 

 

Another Chat Room:

 

monstermaster52 has entered the room.

StoopidAznBoi911 has entered the room.

Blink849 has entered the room.

PlusIntoMinus has entered the room.

monstermaster52: Mmk

monstermaster52: 2 moar

PlusIntoMinus: So, who are you two?

monstermaster52: Friends of mine

monstermaster52: So anyway

monstermaster52: We're here today

Blink849: what is the point of this...

monstermaster52: To discuss the raid and destruction

monstermaster52: Of a site full of f*****s

monstermaster52: http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/

monstermaster52: Info here

monstermaster52: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Yugioh_Card_Maker

StoopidAznBoi911: o-o

monstermaster52: Who's in?

Blink849: ....why do i care exactly?

StoopidAznBoi911: o-o

monstermaster52: Because it's for the lulz?

StoopidAznBoi911: wait, do i do

StoopidAznBoi911: ;o

monstermaster52: You sign up for the site

monstermaster52: And fill it with pr0n

monstermaster52: Everywhere

monstermaster52: And proxy when they ban your IP

StoopidAznBoi911: O_O

StoopidAznBoi911: LOL

monstermaster52: It's full of 10 year-olds

StoopidAznBoi911: whos site is that

StoopidAznBoi911: ;o

monstermaster52: And they're begging to be scarred for life

monstermaster52: I dunno

monstermaster52: But they paid for a domain name

monstermaster52: So they are asking for it

Blink849 has left the room.

monstermaster52: >_>

PlusIntoMinus: Blink pwned you without even needing to say anything. >_>

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: So who all is in?

StoopidAznBoi911: lol

StoopidAznBoi911: xD

StoopidAznBoi911: i got no porn sites

StoopidAznBoi911: ;o

monstermaster52: I do!

monstermaster52: =D

StoopidAznBoi911: you would have it wouldnt u

StoopidAznBoi911: ;o

PlusIntoMinus: It strikes me that this plan might conflict with your other cunning plan to steal YCM's members. >_>

monstermaster52: hmm.

monstermaster52: That comes later

monstermaster52: First we fill it with porn.

PlusIntoMinus: It strikes me that it would be difficult for me to steal members "later" if I'm banned. dry.gif

monstermaster52: Proxy, smar tone

monstermaster52: *smart one

monstermaster52: You use proxies the ENTIRE time

PlusIntoMinus: ...and the reason YOU can't use a proxy to do this would be...?

monstermaster52: Because I'm one person

monstermaster52: And porn-ing a site requires many

PlusIntoMinus: By "many", you mean "3"?

monstermaster52: 3's enough

monstermaster52: Moar would be nice

AgreenPastel has entered the room.

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: Bhim

AgreenPastel: Who all deeze peeps?

monstermaster52: Want to fill YCM full of porn with us?

PlusIntoMinus: ...who's the pastel guy?

monstermaster52: The anti-fail YCM-killing plan:

monstermaster52: 1. Fill YCM with pr0n (USE f***ing PROXIES)

monstermaster52: 2. Look for smart people. Extract.

monstermaster52: 3. MAILBOMB AND COPYPASTA RAPE VIA /B/

monstermaster52: Sound interesting?

monstermaster52: Rate/Fix?

PlusIntoMinus: K, so where's the anti-fail plan?

monstermaster52: >_>

AgreenPastel: Ummm

AgreenPastel: IDK how to use a proxy

AgreenPastel: Even if I did

AgreenPastel: I wouldn't do it

monstermaster52: proxy.org

monstermaster52: That's a list of webbies

monstermaster52: Go to one

monstermaster52: Type in the forum's address

monstermaster52: Register

monstermaster52: use a fake email

monstermaster52: validate

monstermaster52: pr0n

PlusIntoMinus: I'm still waiting for the anti-fail plan.

monstermaster52: What would you add?

monstermaster52: O_O

PlusIntoMinus: Well, there's a problem with answering that.

PlusIntoMinus: You know those decks people make with 3 Avian, 3 Yariza, and 3 Bistro Butcher?

PlusIntoMinus: This plan is like that.

monstermaster52: =/

monstermaster52: Then YOU make one

AgreenPastel: Dude

monstermaster52: >_>

AgreenPastel: Are you serious?

AgreenPastel: How about a deck that uses one Avian.

AgreenPastel: It's just as bad

monstermaster52: We have to get Ty to leave

AgreenPastel: Why?

PlusIntoMinus: 1 Avian can be fixed.

AgreenPastel: brb

monstermaster52: That's basically one of the goals

AgreenPastel: If you run 1 Avian

AgreenPastel: You probably can't make a real deck

PlusIntoMinus: 3 Avian + 3 Yariza + 3 Bistro = unfixable deck, burn it.

AgreenPastel: So it can't

PlusIntoMinus: 1 Avian can be fixed by removing the 1 Avian.

PlusIntoMinus: A deck with 3 Avian + 3 Yariza + 3 Bistro is so bad that it can't be fixed without removing 98% of its cards.

monstermaster52: >_>

AgreenPastel: See comment at 8:16:57

monstermaster52: ?

AgreenPastel: Sorry

monstermaster52: o-o

monstermaster52: o-o

AgreenPastel: 8:16:51 to 8:16:57

monstermaster52: f***.

monstermaster52: >_>

PlusIntoMinus: dry.gif

monstermaster52: SO

monstermaster52: LETS MAKE A GODDAMN PLAN

monstermaster52: IT HAS TO BE THE DADDY OF ALL PLANS

monstermaster52: GET IT? YUGIMANZ REFERENCE!

PlusIntoMinus: ...I don't get it. >_>

monstermaster52: DADDY

PlusIntoMinus: >_________________________>

monstermaster52: YEAH

PlusIntoMinus: Card of Safe Return should be banned.

monstermaster52: STOP THERE

PlusIntoMinus: Fact.

monstermaster52: BACK TO THE PLAN

PlusIntoMinus: What plan?

monstermaster52: the one we need to make

PlusIntoMinus:

AgreenPastel: Ummm

AgreenPastel: TP Frunk's house?

StoopidAznBoi911 has left the room.

AgreenPastel: PlusIntoMinus

AgreenPastel: Do you use YCM/SXR?

PlusIntoMinus: Both.

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: He's Crab Helmet

monstermaster52: So let's see

monstermaster52: What if we just got nearly all the mods to leave?

PlusIntoMinus: Who's the Pastel guy?

monstermaster52: Bhim

monstermaster52: (JerryFreeLance)

PlusIntoMinus: Oh.

PlusIntoMinus: Hi.

monstermaster52: Lololol.\

monstermaster52: *.

monstermaster52: and I'm that guy

monstermaster52: who YCMaker was too stupid to make mod

PlusIntoMinus: I see.

monstermaster52: >_>

PlusIntoMinus: Any other mods we can rely on?

monstermaster52: Frunk

monstermaster52: TKill hates YCM

PlusIntoMinus: Frunk's on our side?

monstermaster52: We just need to convince himt o leave

monstermaster52: NO s***

monstermaster52: He hates YCM

PlusIntoMinus: Has he actually joined us, or are we just assuming that he'll join us when the time comes?

monstermaster52: He will

monstermaster52: He only has MSN

monstermaster52: and isn't on ATM

AgreenPastel: Whabbout Dj-Odickris?

monstermaster52: Hm.

monstermaster52: Make him get on AIM

AgreenPastel: No

AgreenPastel: f*** him

monstermaster52: Both of you PM hiom

monstermaster52: like

monstermaster52: now

AgreenPastel: No

AgreenPastel: f*** him

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: And?

AgreenPastel: We can ban him...

monstermaster52: He can help us

monstermaster52: He's the most active on YCM

AgreenPastel: Is it possible for Ty to ban YCMaker?

AgreenPastel: Which is why he won't help us

monstermaster52: LOL

monstermaster52: We wish

PlusIntoMinus: Dj Osiris doesn't seem like the type that would join.

AgreenPastel: Amen.

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: I dunno

monstermaster52: If we got enough idols

monstermaster52: He would

monstermaster52: He's just a kissup

monstermaster52: Who has too much time

PlusIntoMinus: But the people we can be sure of...

PlusIntoMinus: ...are just the three of us?

PlusIntoMinus: Everyone else we're just gambling on?

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: I'm pretty sure Frunk will

monstermaster52: Ty just needs convincing

AgreenPastel: convincing/penis

AgreenPastel: Corrected for ya

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: K, so that's the two of us, probably Frunk.

PlusIntoMinus: What about the others?

monstermaster52: Uh.

monstermaster52: Define others

PlusIntoMinus: Slime Lord and Sanji, for example?

monstermaster52: Get slimey on AIM

monstermaster52: I know he has it

monstermaster52: Pervert f*** might be willing

PlusIntoMinus: ...

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: You're just pulling at strings now.

PlusIntoMinus: This plan relies on everyone just saying "HAI MATT ENLOE I R JOINZ U!!!"

monstermaster52: Hm.

monstermaster52: Your choice?

PlusIntoMinus: What do you mean, my choice?

monstermaster52: On how we do it

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: How about "neither"? These plans both fail.

monstermaster52: I MEAN YOU THINK OF ONE

monstermaster52: >_>

AgreenPastel: f*** Sanji

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: The second one might have merit if we have a larger base to work from.

PlusIntoMinus: If you can fully enlist Frunk and TKill, it has a chance.

monstermaster52: Tkill

monstermaster52: Needs convincing

monstermaster52: He's on a guilt trip by the members

monstermaster52: He thinks that

monstermaster52: It'll be his fault

monstermaster52: If it dies

PlusIntoMinus: If killing YCM would make him feel guilty...

PlusIntoMinus: ...then he's obviously NOT going to be joining us.

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: All we have to do

monstermaster52: Is

monstermaster52: 1. Convince him it's not his fault

monstermaster52: 2. something else

PlusIntoMinus: 3. PROFIT!

monstermaster52: =O

PlusIntoMinus: "something else" is close enough to "????" in my book.

PlusIntoMinus: dry.gif

monstermaster52: Mmk

PlusIntoMinus: Also, there is no way thatyou'll be able to get him to kill YCM by making him think that it's not his fault.

PlusIntoMinus: It doesn't even make sense.

monstermaster52: =/

monstermaster52: WE NEED TO UN GUILT TRIP HIM

PlusIntoMinus: Guilt has nothing to do with it.

PlusIntoMinus: Removing guilt will do nothing.

PlusIntoMinus: You'd need to make him think that YCM deserves to die.

monstermaster52: Hm.

monstermaster52: Well

monstermaster52: There's the new mod thread

monstermaster52: OH

monstermaster52: I KNOW

monstermaster52: We're f***ing rigging the elections.

PlusIntoMinus: ...how?

PlusIntoMinus: It's all based on YCMaker's whim.

monstermaster52: And?

monstermaster52: HORUS is prolly gonna get it

PlusIntoMinus: No.

monstermaster52: Slash is prolly gonna get it

monstermaster52: We just need

PlusIntoMinus: Slash is a maybe.

monstermaster52: To aggrandize people

PlusIntoMinus: HORUS definitely won't.

monstermaster52: =/

PlusIntoMinus: The mods recognize him as a troublemaker.

monstermaster52: Malfeasance is the name of the game

PlusIntoMinus: There's a topic about candidates on the mods forum, and they're all anti-HORUS.

monstermaster52: wait, what?

PlusIntoMinus: I don't remember their views on Slash.

monstermaster52: Screenshot for great jsutice!

PlusIntoMinus: " Horus has been highly unactive from my knowledge as of late, although if he was seen abit more then i would say yes to him." ~ Dj Osiris

PlusIntoMinus: "I would think Horus might be a good mod, but not for the debates section. He's extremely opinionated, so I think it would be a good idea to keep him away from a section where his bias could come into play in his moderation." ~ Falling Pizza

Send Message Failed. Message is too long.

monstermaster52: Mmk

PlusIntoMinus: " Horus, Static, and Draco left the site so they're all out of the picture." ~ Tkill

PlusIntoMinus: " Is Summa Crossroads failing? what a shame (happy.gif)" ~ Dj Osiris

monstermaster52: Lol.

monstermaster52: And?

PlusIntoMinus: It came up after your name was put forward. >_> Dj doesn't like you.

monstermaster52: ROFL

monstermaster52: Dj can go suck his delicious cock

PlusIntoMinus: darth browarod says you're failing to persuade him.

AgreenPastel: Of course you would call it a delicious cock...

monstermaster52: I heard.

monstermaster52: (Delicous cake, delicious cock...)

PlusIntoMinus: Even JerryFreelance here didn't support HORUS.

monstermaster52: Lol

PlusIntoMinus: All he wants is Slimey to Super Mod.

PlusIntoMinus: Spirit of DMG and wolfberserker have been getting the most support.

monstermaster52: LOLOLOL

monstermaster52: THERE GOES THE INTERNET

monstermaster52: A furry and a fat retarded anime-fapping downie.

monstermaster52: Whooooo.

monstermaster52: Although, it makes sense.

monstermaster52: You're probably posting that now.

monstermaster52: Awesome.

AgreenPastel: Slimey deserved Super a looooong time ago =/

monstermaster52: NO s***

monstermaster52: I thought he was one

AgreenPastel: Nope

AgreenPastel: Oh s***

monstermaster52: If he becomes one

AgreenPastel: Get Falling

monstermaster52: Rofl

monstermaster52: He would do ti?

monstermaster52: *it

AgreenPastel: Are you serious?

AgreenPastel: Which rock have you been living under?

monstermaster52: Lol

AgreenPastel: They have good coke there?

monstermaster52: Let's go get hi

monstermaster52: *him

PlusIntoMinus: "Horus: No. He may seem like a good choice but it still rests that he is still one of the biggest trouble makers on the site." ~ Tkill

monstermaster52: PM slimey

monstermaster52: tell him to get on aim

PlusIntoMinus: What makes you think you have a chance with getting Slimey to join?

monstermaster52: Huh?

monstermaster52: Because

monstermaster52: Slimey's just there out of boredom

monstermaster52: Last I checked

PlusIntoMinus: Ah.

PlusIntoMinus: Who will our biggest obstacle be?

monstermaster52: Hm.

monstermaster52: Tkill.

PlusIntoMinus: Like, what mods do we have basically no chance of taking?

monstermaster52: Tkill.

monstermaster52: >_>

monstermaster52: And browarod

monstermaster52: But he really doesn't matter

AgreenPastel: Dj

PlusIntoMinus: I'd have said Tkill and Dj.

PlusIntoMinus: Dj actually likes YCM.

monstermaster52: I don't give a f*** about dj

monstermaster52: His life is YCM and fa**** tree.

monstermaster52: We could get Kaze for the lulz

monstermaster52: OH

monstermaster52: THA'TS A GOOD IDEA

monstermaster52: >=D

AgreenPastel: Uhhh no...

monstermaster52: Why?

AgreenPastel: Furrget Kaze

AgreenPastel: Oh

AgreenPastel: And Star

monstermaster52: He has S-Mod powers

AgreenPastel: Will never support you

monstermaster52: We can abuse him

monstermaster52: WELL LOL NO s***

monstermaster52: I made a mockery of him on the interwebs

AgreenPastel: Ummm

AgreenPastel: Hold on

AgreenPastel: What exactly is your idea?

PlusIntoMinus: So your brilliant plan is to achieve the impossible?

monstermaster52: Yeah

monstermaster52: =D

monstermaster52: What's yours?

AgreenPastel: Mine

AgreenPastel: is to get laid in every country in South America by the time I'm 25

monstermaster52: stfu

AgreenPastel: Different girl in each country

monstermaster52: =/

monstermaster52: Crab?

PlusIntoMinus: DO A BARREL ROLL

AgreenPastel: Nice

AgreenPastel: On a skateboard?

AgreenPastel: Or not

monstermaster52: >_>

monstermaster52 has left the room.

PlusIntoMinus: dry.gif

AgreenPastel: ?

AgreenPastel has left the room.

 

 

 

 

Another Chat Log:

 

Draco (YCM): Want to help me, bhim, and Crab Helmet kill YCM?

browarod: um, why?

browarod: and, how?

Draco (YCM): Why? Because it needs to die

Draco (YCM): The how is being debated

browarod: why is Crab going along with this?

browarod: or bhim for that matter?

Draco (YCM): Because we don't like YCM

Draco (YCM): =p

browarod: yet they're mods

22:35

Draco (YCM): And?

browarod: why would they mod a site they want to kill?

Draco (YCM): Because it makes it easier

browarod: easier to kill it?

Draco (YCM): Ja

browarod: wait, so why does it need to die? what's wrong with it?

Draco (YCM): It's a noobhole

Draco (YCM): and it's wasting the time of smart people

Draco (YCM): And letting stupid people be stupif

Draco (YCM): *stupid

browarod: and what would you suggest we "smart people" do instead?

Draco (YCM): Not be on YCM

browarod: wait, so, what different ways are being debated? or do you not have any ideas yet?

Draco (YCM): We're trying to get

Draco (YCM): All the meritable mods

Draco (YCM): OR as many mods

Draco (YCM): as possible

Draco (YCM): To leave

Draco (YCM): And offer an official f*** you

browarod: well, even if I did leave, I wouldn't leave the latter statement

Draco (YCM): =p

22:40

browarod: but I don't really feel like leaving

browarod: despite it's problems, I really like YCM

Draco (YCM): Lolololol

Draco (YCM): That's it

browarod: that's what?

Draco (YCM): There's the guilt factor

browarod: not guilt

browarod: I just find it fun

Draco (YCM): =/

Draco (YCM): and you're 19?

browarod: yeah, so?

Draco (YCM): sleep.gif

 

 

 

 

More:

 

No sir

 

I actually like this site.

 

Draco had added me into a conversation where he was discussing the topic with someone else, I'm assuming Crab Helmet. I made a few comments pushing on Draco's envelope, to see what he would actually do.

 

I never intended to actually "assault" the site, however I do know what it is he actually plans to do.

 

If you have any other questions or would like to push on my envelope, feel free :]

 

---bhim

 

 

 

 

Another Chat log:

 

 

[21:26] invertremix: hi

[21:26] JK Rewrite: hi

[21:26] invertremix: I have a questio

[21:26] invertremix: question*

[21:27] JK Rewrite: ok

[21:27] invertremix: do you know if Draco was involved in the YCM attack?

 

[21:27] JK Rewrite: what attacvk?

[21:27] JK Rewrite: attack?

[21:27] invertremix: the porn attack

[21:27] JK Rewrite: Who were the usernames?

[21:27] invertremix: some were

[21:27] invertremix: Metallic Mist

[21:27] invertremix: SD Dueler

[21:27] invertremix: there were a lot of them

[21:28] JK Rewrite: Uhh

[21:28] JK Rewrite: idk

[21:29] invertremix: I mean

[21:29] JK Rewrite: 1: Matallic Mist, was mine

[21:29] JK Rewrite: Idk what SD Dueler is

[21:29] invertremix: I know you were involved

[21:29] JK Rewrite: but, I KNOW he was involved

[21:29] JK Rewrite: yeah, I was Metallic Mist

[21:29] JK Rewrite: I KNOW Matt was, but, idk what his username was

[21:29] JK Rewrite: dont tell him i told you please

[21:29] invertremix: why?

[21:29] invertremix: xD

[21:29] invertremix: I won't

[21:29] JK Rewrite: ok

[21:29] JK Rewrite: just dont

[21:30] invertremix: tell Matt directly

[21:30] invertremix: but ok

[21:30] JK Rewrite: huh?

[21:30] invertremix: I mean, this going to get posted on YCM

[21:30] JK Rewrite: hu?

[21:30] invertremix: but only in the mod forum

[21:30] invertremix: I'm trying to find out information on who did it

[21:30] JK Rewrite: go for it

[21:30] JK Rewrite: lmfao

[21:30] JK Rewrite: uhh, me, matt... and... maybe his friends

[21:30] JK Rewrite: but, idk

[21:30] JK Rewrite: Hi noob mods that were picked out of need!

[21:31] JK Rewrite: All of the new YCM mods were just picked because YCMaker needed them

[21:31] JK Rewrite: Because YCM Fails, and, its DYING

 

 

 

 

A chat log from Crab and Draco where Draco displays his flimsy, to say the least, explanation for why he knew what images were being posted:

 

 

monstermaster52 signed on at 6:03:15 PM.

PlusIntoMinus: Hello.

PlusIntoMinus: You person-who-doesn't-trust-me.

monstermaster52: I don't know what makes you say that.

monstermaster52: All I can do is say I do. @_@

PlusIntoMinus: Other than the fact that it's true?

PlusIntoMinus: Otherwise, you wouldn't have told me that you weren't behind SD Dueler.

monstermaster52: I told you so you'd know.

monstermaster52: =/

PlusIntoMinus: But it was false.

monstermaster52: If I don't tell you, you have reason to believe it's me

monstermaster52: Wait what.

monstermaster52: I'm confused.

monstermaster52: =/

PlusIntoMinus: It was false.

PlusIntoMinus: As in, you were lying to me.

monstermaster52: I'm not lying to you.

monstermaster52: @_@

PlusIntoMinus: As in, you were behind SD Dueler.

PlusIntoMinus: Yes, you are.

monstermaster52: Lol wut.

monstermaster52: It wasn't me.

PlusIntoMinus: You're lying through your fingertips.

monstermaster52: I can lie through my fingertips?

PlusIntoMinus: Unless you type with your nose, yes.

monstermaster52: And what if I do?

monstermaster52: Lol.

PlusIntoMinus: Then you'd be lying through your nose.

PlusIntoMinus: But the point is that you lied.

monstermaster52: What makes you think I'm lying?

PlusIntoMinus: You claim you sent that PM with the pictures all in IMG-tagged-ready-to-post format so that you could "warn him what to expect"?

monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: I didn't send Max a PM

PlusIntoMinus: monstermaster52: I got the

monstermaster52: And sent it to him

monstermaster52: So he'd know what

monstermaster52: He was going to see.

monstermaster52: And no

monstermaster52: I don't mean post.

monstermaster52: I mean report.

monstermaster52: I sent him the TXT file with the IMG code of what he was posting. I sent it to him because if he saw it then, he wouldn't freak out when it came up in a post.

PlusIntoMinus: That explanation hasn't gotten any less thin since yesterday.

monstermaster52: And yes, I was going to report the people doing it.

PlusIntoMinus: Seriously, it doesn't even make sense.

monstermaster52: I don't hate YCM.

monstermaster52: I hate a few of its members.

monstermaster52: I'm not bored enough to raid it like that

monstermaster52: Besides

monstermaster52: The dude did a bad job.

PlusIntoMinus: The same impact would be had regardless of whether he saw them from the file you sent (in ready-to-post-IMG-tagged-for-convenience form) or from the posts of the spammers themselves.

monstermaster52: But at different time intervals.

PlusIntoMinus: So?

monstermaster52: Do you not get the point, dude?

PlusIntoMinus: There is no point.

PlusIntoMinus: That's the point.

monstermaster52: It would've been better for him to freak out before he saw them so he'd be faster to report.

monstermaster52: Thus preventing fewer children for being scarred.

monstermaster52: I do admit it was funny to see it happen

monstermaster52: But I wouldn't do that.

monstermaster52: For christ's sake, they're like 10 or younger.

PlusIntoMinus: I find your argument questionable.

PlusIntoMinus: You didn't send him the file with the IMG tags so that he would be a second faster in reporting.

monstermaster52: o-o

PlusIntoMinus: You sent the file so that he could post it.

monstermaster52: No way.

PlusIntoMinus: The text of the IM convo makes this clear.

PlusIntoMinus: There are no alternate interprettations of your words.

monstermaster52: Here's the deal

monstermaster52: The proxies they used are most likely from

monstermaster52: proxy.org

PlusIntoMinus: Actually, no.

monstermaster52: and math.cexyvideos.com

monstermaster52: The emails were all from guerillamail.com

PlusIntoMinus: That second one is where they're probably from.

monstermaster52: There's no other way they could make that many emails that fast.

PlusIntoMinus: Considering that that's the one you were distributing.

monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: I only gave that away

monstermaster52: To use at school

monstermaster52: Because it works at school

monstermaster52: For youtube and such

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: Youtube now requires "copypasta"

PlusIntoMinus: ?

monstermaster52: Huh?

monstermaster52: The copypasta was the file. The copypasta he would be seeing.

PlusIntoMinus: I didn't know you needed copypasta and fake e-mails to use YouTube.

monstermaster52: I gave him the proxy and the email site

monstermaster52: But

monstermaster52: He blocked me

monstermaster52: Before I could explain

monstermaster52: -_-

PlusIntoMinus: And why did you give him the e-mail site?

monstermaster52: Oh

monstermaster52: And

monstermaster52: maggiomartedi14 (3:12:58 PM):GO TO f***ing HELL YOU BASTARD

monstermaster52: So he could tell the mods...

monstermaster52: There's an email ban section on YCM's ACP if it's a good one.

monstermaster52: I know IPB has it, I had to use it when my site got raided.

monstermaster52: Also

monstermaster52: That's the other thing

monstermaster52: I've had my site raided

monstermaster52: I know that it's hell

monstermaster52: I wouldn't do that

monstermaster52: I disagree with YCMaker's policy, but it's his site, and I'm done with YCM. Or at least, I'm trying to be.

PlusIntoMinus: Explain this:

monstermaster52: There were around 50 accounts I had to delete

monstermaster52: When I got raided

PlusIntoMinus: Why would you send the "copypasta" IMG file, the proxy, and the fake e-mail within 1 minute of one another to Maggiomartedi14?

PlusIntoMinus: The proxy obviously wasn't for Youtube.

monstermaster52: Because quick action is effecient action

monstermaster52: The proxy was to report.

monstermaster52: You can block websites in a webhost's CP

monstermaster52: By blocking a website

monstermaster52: you block a proxy range

monstermaster52: It's tedious when there are lists of them

monstermaster52: But it works

PlusIntoMinus: You don't send a warning IMG file for an internet forum, a proxy for use with youtube at school, and a fake e-mail for reasons that you haven't even explained all at the same time.

monstermaster52: I just told you.

monstermaster52: -_-

monstermaster52: I gave him the proxy so he could report it.

monstermaster52: I was about to give him proxy.orh

monstermaster52: *org

monstermaster52: But he blocked me.

monstermaster52: And it's not a fake email

PlusIntoMinus: No, you only gave him one proxy and jumped staight to the e-mail.

monstermaster52: It gives you one every 15 minutes

PlusIntoMinus: "That's your fake email", you said.

PlusIntoMinus: I think that reveals its purpose.

monstermaster52: Right

monstermaster52: The one he would be reporting

monstermaster52: He blocked me too soon.

monstermaster52: You don't have to believe me, but I don't lie.

PlusIntoMinus: You asked if he wanted to help.

PlusIntoMinus: And he said "why not...

PlusIntoMinus: its a crappy forum"

monstermaster52: Help report.

monstermaster52: I didn't finish.

monstermaster52: How many times do I have to say that?

PlusIntoMinus: But you had plenty of time to finish.

PlusIntoMinus: But instead of finishing, you sent him the file, the proxy, and the e-mail.

monstermaster52: What?

PlusIntoMinus: You cut yourself off there.

monstermaster52: It all happened in seconds.

PlusIntoMinus: Unless your momentum made you continue sending files, proxies, and e-mails for more than half a minute,

PlusIntoMinus: you had plenty of time to respond.

PlusIntoMinus: But you didn't.

PlusIntoMinus: You just continued.

monstermaster52: I figured he was going to block me

monstermaster52: So I gave him the rest first.

PlusIntoMinus: You "figured he was going to block" you?

PlusIntoMinus: And on what did you base that conclusion?

PlusIntoMinus: Can you see the future?

PlusIntoMinus: Because nothing in that convo indicated that he was going to block you until after you'd given the e-mail.

monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: Well, the images were bad, and he's a priss.

monstermaster52: Do the math.

PlusIntoMinus: Furthermore, nothing in the convo said that you wanted his help reporting.

PlusIntoMinus: In fact, it was implied that you wanted him to help to continue the spamming.

monstermaster52: Implications only go so far.

monstermaster52: It's sunjective.

monstermaster52: *subjective

PlusIntoMinus: Also, the fileneames of the pictures in the IMG files match the ones that you mentioned you had in an earlier convo.

monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: He stole them from

monstermaster52: Offended

monstermaster52: As did I

monstermaster52: Is that such a small site it automatically makes it me?

PlusIntoMinus: And he did it a mere day after you did.

PlusIntoMinus: Coincidence?

PlusIntoMinus: I think not.

monstermaster52: Lol wut.

monstermaster52: You can't accuse me on a whim

monstermaster52: You don't have proof

monstermaster52: I trust you.

monstermaster52: I'm telling you the goddamn truth.

PlusIntoMinus: How many people would have the idea of taking images from the Offended page and flooding YCM with them in the span of merely a few days.

monstermaster52: Well, Goggle.

monstermaster52: *Goggler.

monstermaster52: Want to talk to him?

monstermaster52: His aim is Squishy Rigby100

PlusIntoMinus: Your explanation for the series of events in your AIM convo still does not hold water.

PlusIntoMinus: Everything relates to YCM...

monstermaster52: On what grounds?

PlusIntoMinus: ...and then BAM! Random YouTube proxy for school.

monstermaster52: I gave an alibi

monstermaster52: That's what I'm standing by.

PlusIntoMinus: An "alibi"?

monstermaster52: Whatever you want to call it.

PlusIntoMinus: An alibi requires you to defend yourself by showing that you were elsewhere at the time the crime occured.

PlusIntoMinus: You've proven that you were at your computer.

monstermaster52: And?

monstermaster52: I was reading CS3 tuts.

monstermaster52: DeviantART ftw?

PlusIntoMinus: An alibi also requires at least an attempt at proof.

PlusIntoMinus: Saying you were there is not proof.

PlusIntoMinus: Or even an attempt.

monstermaster52: How can I prove I was at DA?

PlusIntoMinus: You can't. So you have no alibi.

monstermaster52: I have what I can say.

monstermaster52: And then Raven sent me something about the pr0n happening.

monstermaster52: So I watched.

PlusIntoMinus: Just because he told you

PlusIntoMinus: doesn't mean that you didn't already know.

monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: Raven is a she, I think.

PlusIntoMinus: And that AIM convo of yours is fairly conclusive.

PlusIntoMinus: And your explanation defies all logic.

monstermaster52: Whatever.

PlusIntoMinus: Come on, just tell me. I'm not going to tell anyone.

monstermaster52: You want a confession

monstermaster52: Here it is.

monstermaster52: "I didn't do it."

PlusIntoMinus: AHAHAHA ORIGINAL JOKE

PlusIntoMinus: >_>

monstermaster52: No s***.

PlusIntoMinus: I see.

PlusIntoMinus: So you have decided that I can't be trusted.

monstermaster52: What?

monstermaster52: I'm telling you the truth.

monstermaster52: Honest to God.

monstermaster52: I'm atheist, but whatever.

monstermaster52: Honest to your God.

monstermaster52: Honest to History.

monstermaster52: >_>

PlusIntoMinus: So you maintain that the proxy link was for use at school to bypass YouTube?

monstermaster52: No, it was to report to the mods/YCMaker.

monstermaster52: I said that.

PlusIntoMinus: monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: I only gave that away

monstermaster52: To use at school

monstermaster52: Because it works at school

monstermaster52: For youtube and such

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: This was what you first said.

monstermaster52: To other people

monstermaster52: In general

monstermaster52: I use it at school

monstermaster52: Kigz Machine/Akurei Katana/Jebus/Jesus gave it to me.

PlusIntoMinus: ...so?

PlusIntoMinus: It was already established that we were discussing the AIM convo during which you distributed the IMG file.

monstermaster52: I was referring to giving it away in General

monstermaster52: You said I was distributing it

monstermaster52: I thought you meant in general

monstermaster52: Not just to Max

monstermaster52: I gave it to Max to report

PlusIntoMinus: We had already established that we were discussing the AIM convo.

PlusIntoMinus: Oh, and anyone who isn't Super Mod or higher can't see IP addresses.

PlusIntoMinus: So it couldn't be used for the purpose you describe.

PlusIntoMinus: Furthermore, you gave only one proxy; you didn't give proxy.org.

monstermaster52: One sec

PlusIntoMinus: Yet you claim to consider them equal.

monstermaster52: I'm busy

monstermaster52: Doing paid work

monstermaster52: Cash, not points

 

 

 

 

A failed explanation from Draco:

[18:58] monstermaster52: If you want to ask Yugioh Masta4444, his AIM is Squishy Rigby100

[18:59] monstermaster52: He's one of the people who did it

[18:59] monstermaster52: SD Dueler is is IRL friend

 

That was one of the biggest mistakes Draco made. Yugiohmasta was a good friend of mine (although I'm not proud of it) as IP evidence can confirm. "Squishy Rigby100" Is not his screename, nor was he involved in the raid.

 

 

 

Another snippet from a log, posted by Crab Helmet (he can confirm):

staticx5730: Oh

staticx5730: about that YCM raid

staticx5730: It was Draco

 

 

 

Another log:

 

monstermaster52: What happened?

monstermaster52: Someone do something?

PlusIntoMinus: Well, see, YCMaker got wind of your "plan" to cover the forum in pr0n, and suddenly some guys using proxies arrive and cover the forum in pr0n.

monstermaster52: Rofl

monstermaster52: They didn't use proxies

monstermaster52: They used diff comps

monstermaster52: Otherwise

monstermaster52: Said pron would still be there

PlusIntoMinus: Oh, and YCMaker seems a little unhappy that you're trying to swing moderators to your side.

monstermaster52: His loss

monstermaster52: Because I just compiled copypasta

PlusIntoMinus: ...what?

PlusIntoMinus: You're not making any sense.

monstermaster52: Offended

monstermaster52: Most of those pics.

monstermaster52: Oh, and I found some people to help.

PlusIntoMinus: I'm not following the link. >_>

PlusIntoMinus: It's ED.

monstermaster52: We're thinking june

monstermaster52: Mare says August

PlusIntoMinus: Ooh, a big complex plan with lots of complex planning.

monstermaster52: Probably just going to do it when I'm bored.

monstermaster52: Why do you care?

PlusIntoMinus: You brought it up. >_>

PlusIntoMinus: So, what is the plan?

monstermaster52: No

monstermaster52: Why do you defend

monstermaster52: Also

monstermaster52: I told you

monstermaster52: Proxy, double account, copypasta

PlusIntoMinus: You do realize that that plan hasn't gotten any less pointless than it was last time you mentioned it, right?

monstermaster52: Maybe

monstermaster52: But I have images this time

monstermaster52: Including

monstermaster52: goatse

monstermaster52: Dickgirl

monstermaster52: The pain series

monstermaster52: Someone's giant bleeding cock

PlusIntoMinus: And regardless of what images you have, the plan still fails. >_>

monstermaster52: Why?

monstermaster52: What would you do?

PlusIntoMinus: You're the mastermind, not me.

monstermaster52: Getting into the ACP would involve legal issues

PlusIntoMinus: Posting pr0n on a children's forum also involves legal issues.

monstermaster52: Oh?

monstermaster52: It's the internet

monstermaster52: And everyone uses it

monstermaster52: Find me a law

monstermaster52: http://www.guerrillamail.com/

 

 

 

 

 

(1:23:57 AM) Spirit DMG: So? Why did you do it huh?

(1:24:05 AM) SD Dueler: For fun.

(1:24:13 AM) Spirit DMG: Oh believe me it isn't fun

(1:24:19 AM) SD Dueler: It was fun

(1:24:33 AM) Spirit DMG: But the Mods sniffed out your little game in the end

(1:25:02 AM) Spirit DMG: Besides Copy & Paste? Lame if you ask me.

(1:25:11 AM) SD Dueler: Not lame

(1:25:19 AM) SD Dueler: I know you liked those pics

(1:25:35 AM) Spirit DMG: I've seen a lot worse believe me

(1:25:57 AM) SD Dueler: Was I the worst spam in the history of the board?

(1:26:32 AM) Spirit DMG: Well you did scare a lot of people. This needs to stop now. The Mods are on High Alert so you can't pull the same stunt twice

(1:26:41 AM) SD Dueler: Success

(1:28:11 AM) SD Dueler: It will be able to happen again.

(1:28:36 AM) Spirit DMG: It will take a lot more then that to take down YCM. By the way you do know that people laughed you off in the end. Your 5 minutes of fame? Seriously you scare none of us

(1:28:45 AM) Spirit DMG: Well we'll be ready for you

(1:28:56 AM) SD Dueler: Haha no

(1:29:10 AM) SD Dueler: Itll be hard to ban when I use 6 computers

(1:29:57 AM) SD Dueler: do you have tags aim?

(1:30:10 AM) Spirit DMG: Nope. Even if I did you're not getting it

(1:30:17 AM) SD Dueler: Okay

(1:30:43 AM) Spirit DMG: Oh just to let you know i've got the whole of this on Log. You're screwed.

(1:30:50 AM) SD Dueler: Okay

(1:30:51 AM) SD Dueler: lol

(1:30:55 AM) SD Dueler: WELL IM OUT

(1:31:03 AM) Spirit DMG: Laters sicko

(1:32:15 AM) SD Dueler: Just to tell you I do have relations with Darco.

(1:32:33 AM) SD Dueler: And also we probably wont be able to pull this off again but it would b fun

(1:32:39 AM) Spirit DMG: I already knew taht

(1:32:53 AM) SD Dueler: But nothing is impossible

(1:32:55 AM) SD Dueler: SD

(1:32:57 AM) SD Dueler: SD

(1:33:18 AM) SD Dueler: Well I guess this convo is going to be posted ont he board,. Eh?

(1:33:39 AM) Spirit DMG: Oh no. Just Given to the Main Mods as evidence

(1:33:45 AM) SD Dueler: Okay

(1:33:56 AM) SD Dueler: Evidence of?

(1:34:32 AM) Spirit DMG: You could be a Fraud, but i'm playing it safe

(1:34:51 AM) SD Dueler: As in? As in a am not really SD?

(1:35:12 AM) Spirit DMG: It's a possibility. How long does it take to create an account? 2 Minutes?

(1:35:27 AM) SD Dueler: On YCM?

(1:35:36 AM) SD Dueler: 30 secs

(1:35:38 AM) Spirit DMG: No your AIM account

(1:35:50 AM) SD Dueler: oh

(1:35:50 AM) SD Dueler: lime 45 secs

(1:35:50 AM) SD Dueler: like*

(1:36:02 AM) Spirit DMG: Best to end this Convo now

(1:36:24 AM) SD Dueler: And also it was mainly friends telling me to do it

(1:36:33 AM) SD Dueler: as in yugioh master 4444 he was at my house

(1:36:54 AM) SD Dueler: and optimistic mnm

(1:36:55 AM) Spirit DMG: Look for your own safety i'm ending it now. Don't say anymore

 

 

Yugiohmasta was at your house? Sure....

 

 

Here is a message that YCMaker sent to Comcast that contains more screenshot evidence:

 

 

A member of the internet forum http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net that registered using the IP address 67.168.240.220 has been relentlessly posting extremely inappropriate images on different parts of the board. This user was banned, but subsequently used a proxy server to get around his ban and continue to post the offending images. As the administrator of this site (one that is used mostly by young kids), I am concerned that the normal procedure of banning will continue to prove ineffective. I have described below some of the content that this user posted (with clear malicious intent):

- Hardcore pornography

- Graphic images of human corpses

- Mutilated genitals

 

The user also accessed the site using the following IP addresses:

67.171.146.51

66.154.184.34

67.168.246.20

71.193.236.176

 

I have attached to this email a screenshot from a AIM conversation where this user tried to convince another member to help him with the "attacks", and another screenshot of a text file containing links to some of the said images.

 

Thank you for your time and consideration.

 

http://i33.tinypic.com/3009uvm.png' alt='3009uvm.png'>

 

 

 

 

 

In addition to this evidence, I can confirm that a member on your old forum "Frunkspace" told me that Draco had in fact attempted to recruit him to spam the forum. In addition to that, if it was not made clear in the screenshots, "Max" from both Frunkspace and YCM testified to Draco's attempts and recruiting him.

 

What I have posted is the majority, but not all, of the evidence that was gathered to come to the decision of banning Draco. There is more in the form of screen shots and more logs as well, but I will have to continue digging. Yes this is circumstantial, yes Freelance is no longer a respected a member, but don't you think it a bit ridiculous that EVERYONE involved in what I posted above would be out to get Draco for no apparent reason at all if Draco is in fact innocent? You don't think it's a bit coincidental that Draco also displayed an extreme disdain for the way the forum was managed?

 

I think this combined with Mare's post is more than enough to support our case for Draco's involvement.

[「tea.leaf」]

Frunk has made good points, and I shall aid this situation by not adding fuel to the fire.

 

Let's hope something gets figured this time.

[Brushfire]

ragnarok1945: The Administrator is usually the person who made the forum, and therefore could easily get rid of it, making them the "head".

Falling Pizza: I wasn't expecting to release any of that to the public, but I am glad you have. Members can now no longer claim that "loldracoisinnocent".

Tea.Leaf: Yes and yes.

[ragnarok1945]

I understand that, Faint. But there is a saying called "kill the body and the head will die"

[Huntar!]

there is some of that evidence of the good 'ole days, back when everything was all fine and dandy and nothing bad ever happened.

 

So, um... Draco needs unbanned, YCMaker needs to suck it up and get his forum back on track, and stop worrying about what happened months ago, come on, its the internet.

[Brushfire]

Why the hell is this thread dying?

 

I'm illegally bumping it as it needs to be read.

[ragnarok1945]

Well, a lot of people feel it can be ignored.

 

You're quite right on the mods position in how they think they have all the power over members, Faint.

 

It leads them to hide behind their positions and think they can do whatever they want. They expect everyone to adjust to them.

 

Barely any of them think it is THEY who have to adjust

[Brushfire]

THANK YOU.

 

You're so god damn right that it's hard to believe.