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[ragnarok1945]

I've had previous forum experiences.

 

Look everyone wants to take the easy way out, I understand that. The question seems to be which mod recognizes in THIS situation there is no easy way out, and which ones do not recognize such a thing

[Brushfire]

Here I go comparing YCM to other forums again.

 

On another forum I used to go to (PC), their Moderating Team is great. You can PM any of them for any help (for instance, I was nervous about PM'ing an Admin about an IP ban on my school's IP) and they'll be straight to the point and give detailed explanations. The section of the board that I frequently visit (ROM Hacking) is a very popular section yet the 2 (wait, now 3) Moderators do a great job. I don't never get involved in how they pick the Mods (I hadn't even heard of someone called Thrace but he became Mod) as they always turn out to be good choices.

 

Now tell me, when it's perfectly capable: why isn't YCM like this? You know why? Because YCM doesn't have an active and fair Moderating Team.

[ragnarok1945]

hey, there's no such thing as a fair team, but you're right.

 

This is why some forums I've seen (didn't join) have mod position that rotates every few months, and the decision is made by the regular members, not the mod team

[Brushfire]

For Democracy.

 

I was thinking of running my forum like that, but I do something similar. I select possible candidates and then let the members choose. It is a great way in my opinion. It has a bad side though, members often get annoyed that certain people who nominated and not others.

 

Also, no offense, but the rotation system SUCKS.

[ragnarok1945]

*shrugs* be that as it may.

 

Remember, you keep a position for way too long, that power CAN go to your head you know

[Brushfire]

Power trips are a frequent thing for first time Mods. No offense to those who I'm using as examples, but both Tea.Leaf and Umbra had them.

 

Also, I think that most people are mature enough to know when they've had enough and retire. Like J-Max.

[ragnarok1945]

yeah I know.

 

Once they start seeing they can do whatever they want, they power abuse.

 

I've seen mods who were hackers, threatening that if the admin does not give him his mod position so he can ban up to 60 people a day (simply for not agreeing with his POV, bypassing the warning system alltogether), he'll simply hack into the forum and change the admin's mind for him

[Cyber Altair]

Now that's the evidence I wanted to see from FP =P

 

too hard to argue this =P

 

I so wanna hear what Matt has to say XD

[Frunk]

I am writing a response to all posts after my last, but have been busy and not finished it yet. I will post it soon.

[Bloodrun]

Here I go comparing YCM to other forums again.

 

On another forum I used to go to (PC)' date=' their Moderating Team is great. You can PM any of them for any help (for instance, I was nervous about PM'ing an Admin about an IP ban on my school's IP) and they'll be straight to the point and give detailed explanations. The section of the board that I frequently visit (ROM Hacking) is a very popular section yet the 2 (wait, now 3) Moderators do a great job. I don't never get involved in how they pick the Mods (I hadn't even heard of someone called Thrace but he became Mod) as they always turn out to be good choices.

 

Now tell me, when it's perfectly capable: why isn't YCM like this? You know why? Because YCM doesn't have an active and fair Moderating Team.

[/quote']

 

Now im not here to cause a fight, but, to say that the Moderating team isn't active, is so far away from the truth that Honest Abe would commit suicide.

And being Fair?

>_>

Moderators do their job and enforce the rules they are suppose too, and each action over seen by other moderators, when something becomes seen as in-appropriate, matters are discussed immediately and reprecaution is taken into account.

[ragnarok1945]

I'm not here to point fingers, I'm only stating what I've seen.

 

I guess the reason for this hostility to the mods is because the regular members feel they're being bullied and the mods do nothing. Or they feel some mods are too power abusive and need to be replaced, but the only people who can't see that are the other mods. And when a mod crossed the line, he/she gets away with it.

 

In simple terms I think some regular members are angry in that the mods can cross the line so many times, bu are almost never caught. And when they ARE caught, virtually no punishment action is taken.

 

Faint Brushfire, if this is what you are getting at, please state it here

[Bloodrun]

I'm not here to point fingers' date=' I'm only stating what I've seen.

 

I guess the reason for this hostility to the mods is because the regular members feel they're being bullied and the mods do nothing. Or they feel some mods are too power abusive and need to be replaced, but the only people who can't see that are the other mods. And when a mod crossed the line, he/she gets away with it.

 

In simple terms I think some regular members are angry in that the mods can cross the line so many times, bu are almost never caught. And when they ARE caught, virtually no punishment action is taken.

 

Faint Brushfire, if this is what you are getting at, please state it here

[/quote']

 

when a mod crossed the line they get away with it? Im sure some former moderators would and probably are, laughing at you.

 

Bhim, didnt get away with it.

Danilus didnt get away with it.

Tea didnt get away with.

Star.. well that was his fault.

[ragnarok1945]

I'm not saying that's true, merely my impression from what I heard.

 

I'm not here to judge

[Cyber Altair]

I'm not here to point fingers' date=' I'm only stating what I've seen.

 

I guess the reason for this hostility to the mods is because the regular members feel they're being bullied and the mods do nothing. Or they feel some mods are too power abusive and need to be replaced, but the only people who can't see that are the other mods. And when a mod crossed the line, he/she gets away with it.

 

In simple terms I think some regular members are angry in that the mods can cross the line so many times, bu are almost never caught. And when they ARE caught, virtually no punishment action is taken.

 

Faint Brushfire, if this is what you are getting at, please state it here

[/quote']

 

when a mod crossed the line they get away with it? Im sure some former moderators would and probably are, laughing at you.

 

Bhim, didnt get away with it.

Danilus didnt get away with it.

Tea didnt get away with.

Star.. well that was his fault.

 

You know who did?

 

Sushi did...

 

So did Hitler

Just had to pull Godwin's Law =\

[Brushfire]

A fair few members of the current Moderating team are inactive, Bloodrun.

 

 

I'm not here to point fingers' date=' I'm only stating what I've seen.

 

I guess the reason for this hostility to the mods is because the regular members feel they're being bullied and the mods do nothing. Or they feel some mods are too power abusive and need to be replaced, but the only people who can't see that are the other mods. And when a mod crossed the line, he/she gets away with it.

 

In simple terms I think some regular members are angry in that the mods can cross the line so many times, bu are almost never caught. And when they ARE caught, virtually no punishment action is taken.

 

Faint Brushfire, if this is what you are getting at, please state it here

[/quote']

 

when a mod crossed the line they get away with it? Im sure some former moderators would and probably are, laughing at you.

 

Bhim, didnt get away with it.

Danilus didnt get away with it.

Tea didnt get away with.

Star.. well that was his fault.

 

Why these said members are not in the Former Moderators group pisses me off. They did their duty to the forum before and 1 mistake should not mean that they get credit for it.

[Bloodrun]

A fair few members of the current Moderating team are inactive' date=' Bloodrun.

 

 

I'm not here to point fingers' date=' I'm only stating what I've seen.

 

I guess the reason for this hostility to the mods is because the regular members feel they're being bullied and the mods do nothing. Or they feel some mods are too power abusive and need to be replaced, but the only people who can't see that are the other mods. And when a mod crossed the line, he/she gets away with it.

 

In simple terms I think some regular members are angry in that the mods can cross the line so many times, bu are almost never caught. And when they ARE caught, virtually no punishment action is taken.

 

Faint Brushfire, if this is what you are getting at, please state it here

[/quote']

 

when a mod crossed the line they get away with it? Im sure some former moderators would and probably are, laughing at you.

 

Bhim, didnt get away with it.

Danilus didnt get away with it.

Tea didnt get away with.

Star.. well that was his fault.

 

Why these said members are not in the Former Moderators group pisses me off. They did their duty to the forum before and 1 mistake should not mean that they get credit for it.

 

Faint, yes I know alot of the "High Profile" mods are inactive, and some "Low Profile"

But with the ones that are active:

Darth

JoC

Crab

FP

DJ

Blood Rose

hioco

Yankee

Umbra

And myself

 

Thats a pretty hefty amount, each one has their own role, and each one does it to the best of his/her ability.

 

Why they arent on the Former Moderator List, is also a mystery to me, and also why those whom are on the list, but still on the Moderator List, bugs me too.

 

 

Also, Cyber, what did Sushi do exactly? just tell me over PM.

[Fh-Fh]

loldrama.

 

I'll make popcorn.

 

Why don't you just ban/unban public enemy/hero #1 and get it over with.

[Cyber Altair]

loldrama.

 

I'll make popcorn.

 

Why don't you just ban/unban public enemy/hero #1 and get it over with.

 

Shut up mate, let the soap opera continue >.>

 

And pass the popcorn will you.

[Frunk]

I apologise for not responding sooner (please refrain from “necro-bumping” complaints). It’s taken me a while to analyse evidence I’m not familiar with and reanalyse that with which I am familiar, and plan a response accordingly.

 

[spoiler=Condensed for easier viewing]

Frunk: I apologize for not opening the thread to allow you to respond. I was rushed at the time and needed to get out the door' date=' otherwise I would have. I'm glad you created this thread to resume discussion.

 

As for your claim that the 4Chan screenshots are not from the time period the ban took place, you're correct. I've been told that 4chan is not entirely trustworthy either, although I don't visit it. I was just throwing those images out there since they were a piece of evidence, although not entirely trustworthy, that I had immediately on hand.

 

I'm also interested as to your claim that a man's word is not sufficient evidence, when you have in fact taken Matt's word as evidence enough to staunchly argue his side. The evidence that we gathered towards our case was not only the word of one man, but of many, so I'm interested as to your reasoning why you trust Matt's word but not the word of the [i']multiple people[/i] who testified to him being involved. If you'd like a refresher on who specificallyimplicated Draco, I can give you a few names off the top of my head:

 

A few initial warnings:

 

Jerry:

Yup; that's his plan

 

To outporn the entire site...

 

At least, that's what he told me...

 

His plan is pretty much really not going to work =/

 

Posted on 4-29-08 at 12:00 AM.

 

Not to mention these words from your moth:

 

He has been discussing the possibility of "raids on YCM" on my forum. I'm distancing myself from such activities, and would attempt to ban him for such discussion but I fear he will carry out threats subliminally made against my site in terms of hacking it.

 

 

Faint Brushfire chat log w/ Darth Browarod. Both of them can testify that this conversation existed:

 

me: dang, man, what happened to you?

me: you used to be cool

Faint Brushfire: Wanna know what happened?

Faint Brushfire: Draco/Matt happened.

me: let me guess, he "opened your eyes"

Faint Brushfire: Well done.

me: a better analogy would be he shoved your face in s*** and told you "soz the internetz"

Faint Brushfire: No, I showed me sense.

Faint Brushfire: Notice how every good YCMer has left.

Faint Brushfire: Apart from you.

Faint Brushfire: And Icy I guess.

me: good is relative

Faint Brushfire: Good is good.

me: which is realtive

me: relative*

me: obviously your sense of good is a lot different thatn mine

Faint Brushfire: Obviously my YCM Views are a lot different then yours.

me: never said they weren't

18:55

me: all I'm saying is that maybe Matt isn't the best role model

Faint Brushfire: He wanted me to mass porn spam the site.

Faint Brushfire: I refused and said I only wanted to SPAM, flame and troll.

me: well, at least you've still got some sense

me: do you find it fun?

Faint Brushfire: Not really, but it annoys the SUPAH MODS!

me: lol, you're not annoying, you're just a minor inconvenience

*Faint Brushfire is offering to send file DO IT fa****.txt*

*Starting transfer of DO IT fa****.txt from Faint Brushfire*

Faint Brushfire: He wanted me to post this.

Faint Brushfire: Everywhere.

*Transfer of file DO IT fa****.txt complete*

Faint Brushfire: Bad, eh?

me: I'm not even going to look at the links

Faint Brushfire: Don't.

me: and just take a wild stab and say yes

Faint Brushfire: I didn't.

Faint Brushfire: Yeah.

Faint Brushfire: I was... put off by that.

me: that;s the same story, though, that the most recent spammer was posting

me: as any normal human being would be

Faint Brushfire: That was Draco, the spammer.

me: the second one?

Faint Brushfire: The one who posted the s*** in the Notepad file.

me: oh

me: so, yeah, the most recent spammer

Faint Brushfire: Yeah.

me: how do you know this?

19:00

Faint Brushfire: I speak to Matt all the time.

me: ah

Faint Brushfire: Meh.

Faint Brushfire: I'm not too sure what to think of Matt...

Faint Brushfire: He's cool, but...

Faint Brushfire: Matt is the cancer. He kills the /b/

me: I know

me: truthfully, the only reason I hang out on SXR is for the arcade

Faint Brushfire: Lol.

 

 

Another Chat Room:

 

monstermaster52 has entered the room.

StoopidAznBoi911 has entered the room.

Blink849 has entered the room.

PlusIntoMinus has entered the room.

monstermaster52: Mmk

monstermaster52: 2 moar

PlusIntoMinus: So, who are you two?

monstermaster52: Friends of mine

monstermaster52: So anyway

monstermaster52: We're here today

Blink849: what is the point of this...

monstermaster52: To discuss the raid and destruction

monstermaster52: Of a site full of f*****s

monstermaster52: http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/

monstermaster52: Info here

monstermaster52: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Yugioh_Card_Maker

StoopidAznBoi911: o-o

monstermaster52: Who's in?

Blink849: ....why do i care exactly?

StoopidAznBoi911: o-o

monstermaster52: Because it's for the lulz?

StoopidAznBoi911: wait, do i do

StoopidAznBoi911: ;o

monstermaster52: You sign up for the site

monstermaster52: And fill it with pr0n

monstermaster52: Everywhere

monstermaster52: And proxy when they ban your IP

StoopidAznBoi911: O_O

StoopidAznBoi911: LOL

monstermaster52: It's full of 10 year-olds

StoopidAznBoi911: whos site is that

StoopidAznBoi911: ;o

monstermaster52: And they're begging to be scarred for life

monstermaster52: I dunno

monstermaster52: But they paid for a domain name

monstermaster52: So they are asking for it

Blink849 has left the room.

monstermaster52: >_>

PlusIntoMinus: Blink pwned you without even needing to say anything. >_>

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: So who all is in?

StoopidAznBoi911: lol

StoopidAznBoi911: xD

StoopidAznBoi911: i got no porn sites

StoopidAznBoi911: ;o

monstermaster52: I do!

monstermaster52: =D

StoopidAznBoi911: you would have it wouldnt u

StoopidAznBoi911: ;o

PlusIntoMinus: It strikes me that this plan might conflict with your other cunning plan to steal YCM's members. >_>

monstermaster52: hmm.

monstermaster52: That comes later

monstermaster52: First we fill it with porn.

PlusIntoMinus: It strikes me that it would be difficult for me to steal members "later" if I'm banned. dry.gif

monstermaster52: Proxy, smar tone

monstermaster52: *smart one

monstermaster52: You use proxies the ENTIRE time

PlusIntoMinus: ...and the reason YOU can't use a proxy to do this would be...?

monstermaster52: Because I'm one person

monstermaster52: And porn-ing a site requires many

PlusIntoMinus: By "many", you mean "3"?

monstermaster52: 3's enough

monstermaster52: Moar would be nice

AgreenPastel has entered the room.

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: Bhim

AgreenPastel: Who all deeze peeps?

monstermaster52: Want to fill YCM full of porn with us?

PlusIntoMinus: ...who's the pastel guy?

monstermaster52: The anti-fail YCM-killing plan:

monstermaster52: 1. Fill YCM with pr0n (USE f***ing PROXIES)

monstermaster52: 2. Look for smart people. Extract.

monstermaster52: 3. MAILBOMB AND COPYPASTA RAPE VIA /B/

monstermaster52: Sound interesting?

monstermaster52: Rate/Fix?

PlusIntoMinus: K, so where's the anti-fail plan?

monstermaster52: >_>

AgreenPastel: Ummm

AgreenPastel: IDK how to use a proxy

AgreenPastel: Even if I did

AgreenPastel: I wouldn't do it

monstermaster52: proxy.org

monstermaster52: That's a list of webbies

monstermaster52: Go to one

monstermaster52: Type in the forum's address

monstermaster52: Register

monstermaster52: use a fake email

monstermaster52: validate

monstermaster52: pr0n

PlusIntoMinus: I'm still waiting for the anti-fail plan.

monstermaster52: What would you add?

monstermaster52: O_O

PlusIntoMinus: Well, there's a problem with answering that.

PlusIntoMinus: You know those decks people make with 3 Avian, 3 Yariza, and 3 Bistro Butcher?

PlusIntoMinus: This plan is like that.

monstermaster52: =/

monstermaster52: Then YOU make one

AgreenPastel: Dude

monstermaster52: >_>

AgreenPastel: Are you serious?

AgreenPastel: How about a deck that uses one Avian.

AgreenPastel: It's just as bad

monstermaster52: We have to get Ty to leave

AgreenPastel: Why?

PlusIntoMinus: 1 Avian can be fixed.

AgreenPastel: brb

monstermaster52: That's basically one of the goals

AgreenPastel: If you run 1 Avian

AgreenPastel: You probably can't make a real deck

PlusIntoMinus: 3 Avian + 3 Yariza + 3 Bistro = unfixable deck, burn it.

AgreenPastel: So it can't

PlusIntoMinus: 1 Avian can be fixed by removing the 1 Avian.

PlusIntoMinus: A deck with 3 Avian + 3 Yariza + 3 Bistro is so bad that it can't be fixed without removing 98% of its cards.

monstermaster52: >_>

AgreenPastel: See comment at 8:16:57

monstermaster52: ?

AgreenPastel: Sorry

monstermaster52: o-o

monstermaster52: o-o

AgreenPastel: 8:16:51 to 8:16:57

monstermaster52: f***.

monstermaster52: >_>

PlusIntoMinus: dry.gif

monstermaster52: SO

monstermaster52: LETS MAKE A GODDAMN PLAN

monstermaster52: IT HAS TO BE THE DADDY OF ALL PLANS

monstermaster52: GET IT? YUGIMANZ REFERENCE!

PlusIntoMinus: ...I don't get it. >_>

monstermaster52: DADDY

PlusIntoMinus: >_________________________>

monstermaster52: YEAH

PlusIntoMinus: Card of Safe Return should be banned.

monstermaster52: STOP THERE

PlusIntoMinus: Fact.

monstermaster52: BACK TO THE PLAN

PlusIntoMinus: What plan?

monstermaster52: the one we need to make

PlusIntoMinus:

AgreenPastel: Ummm

AgreenPastel: TP Frunk's house?

StoopidAznBoi911 has left the room.

AgreenPastel: PlusIntoMinus

AgreenPastel: Do you use YCM/SXR?

PlusIntoMinus: Both.

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: He's Crab Helmet

monstermaster52: So let's see

monstermaster52: What if we just got nearly all the mods to leave?

PlusIntoMinus: Who's the Pastel guy?

monstermaster52: Bhim

monstermaster52: (JerryFreeLance)

PlusIntoMinus: Oh.

PlusIntoMinus: Hi.

monstermaster52: Lololol.\

monstermaster52: *.

monstermaster52: and I'm that guy

monstermaster52: who YCMaker was too stupid to make mod

PlusIntoMinus: I see.

monstermaster52: >_>

PlusIntoMinus: Any other mods we can rely on?

monstermaster52: Frunk

monstermaster52: TKill hates YCM

PlusIntoMinus: Frunk's on our side?

monstermaster52: We just need to convince himt o leave

monstermaster52: NO s***

monstermaster52: He hates YCM

PlusIntoMinus: Has he actually joined us, or are we just assuming that he'll join us when the time comes?

monstermaster52: He will

monstermaster52: He only has MSN

monstermaster52: and isn't on ATM

AgreenPastel: Whabbout Dj-Odickris?

monstermaster52: Hm.

monstermaster52: Make him get on AIM

AgreenPastel: No

AgreenPastel: f*** him

monstermaster52: Both of you PM hiom

monstermaster52: like

monstermaster52: now

AgreenPastel: No

AgreenPastel: f*** him

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: And?

AgreenPastel: We can ban him...

monstermaster52: He can help us

monstermaster52: He's the most active on YCM

AgreenPastel: Is it possible for Ty to ban YCMaker?

AgreenPastel: Which is why he won't help us

monstermaster52: LOL

monstermaster52: We wish

PlusIntoMinus: Dj Osiris doesn't seem like the type that would join.

AgreenPastel: Amen.

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: I dunno

monstermaster52: If we got enough idols

monstermaster52: He would

monstermaster52: He's just a kissup

monstermaster52: Who has too much time

PlusIntoMinus: But the people we can be sure of...

PlusIntoMinus: ...are just the three of us?

PlusIntoMinus: Everyone else we're just gambling on?

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: I'm pretty sure Frunk will

monstermaster52: Ty just needs convincing

AgreenPastel: convincing/penis

AgreenPastel: Corrected for ya

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: K, so that's the two of us, probably Frunk.

PlusIntoMinus: What about the others?

monstermaster52: Uh.

monstermaster52: Define others

PlusIntoMinus: Slime Lord and Sanji, for example?

monstermaster52: Get slimey on AIM

monstermaster52: I know he has it

monstermaster52: Pervert f*** might be willing

PlusIntoMinus: ...

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: You're just pulling at strings now.

PlusIntoMinus: This plan relies on everyone just saying "HAI MATT ENLOE I R JOINZ U!!!"

monstermaster52: Hm.

monstermaster52: Your choice?

PlusIntoMinus: What do you mean, my choice?

monstermaster52: On how we do it

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: How about "neither"? These plans both fail.

monstermaster52: I MEAN YOU THINK OF ONE

monstermaster52: >_>

AgreenPastel: f*** Sanji

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: The second one might have merit if we have a larger base to work from.

PlusIntoMinus: If you can fully enlist Frunk and TKill, it has a chance.

monstermaster52: Tkill

monstermaster52: Needs convincing

monstermaster52: He's on a guilt trip by the members

monstermaster52: He thinks that

monstermaster52: It'll be his fault

monstermaster52: If it dies

PlusIntoMinus: If killing YCM would make him feel guilty...

PlusIntoMinus: ...then he's obviously NOT going to be joining us.

monstermaster52: Lol

monstermaster52: All we have to do

monstermaster52: Is

monstermaster52: 1. Convince him it's not his fault

monstermaster52: 2. something else

PlusIntoMinus: 3. PROFIT!

monstermaster52: =O

PlusIntoMinus: "something else" is close enough to "????" in my book.

PlusIntoMinus: dry.gif

monstermaster52: Mmk

PlusIntoMinus: Also, there is no way thatyou'll be able to get him to kill YCM by making him think that it's not his fault.

PlusIntoMinus: It doesn't even make sense.

monstermaster52: =/

monstermaster52: WE NEED TO UN GUILT TRIP HIM

PlusIntoMinus: Guilt has nothing to do with it.

PlusIntoMinus: Removing guilt will do nothing.

PlusIntoMinus: You'd need to make him think that YCM deserves to die.

monstermaster52: Hm.

monstermaster52: Well

monstermaster52: There's the new mod thread

monstermaster52: OH

monstermaster52: I KNOW

monstermaster52: We're f***ing rigging the elections.

PlusIntoMinus: ...how?

PlusIntoMinus: It's all based on YCMaker's whim.

monstermaster52: And?

monstermaster52: HORUS is prolly gonna get it

PlusIntoMinus: No.

monstermaster52: Slash is prolly gonna get it

monstermaster52: We just need

PlusIntoMinus: Slash is a maybe.

monstermaster52: To aggrandize people

PlusIntoMinus: HORUS definitely won't.

monstermaster52: =/

PlusIntoMinus: The mods recognize him as a troublemaker.

monstermaster52: Malfeasance is the name of the game

PlusIntoMinus: There's a topic about candidates on the mods forum, and they're all anti-HORUS.

monstermaster52: wait, what?

PlusIntoMinus: I don't remember their views on Slash.

monstermaster52: Screenshot for great jsutice!

PlusIntoMinus: " Horus has been highly unactive from my knowledge as of late, although if he was seen abit more then i would say yes to him." ~ Dj Osiris

PlusIntoMinus: "I would think Horus might be a good mod, but not for the debates section. He's extremely opinionated, so I think it would be a good idea to keep him away from a section where his bias could come into play in his moderation." ~ Falling Pizza

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monstermaster52: Mmk

PlusIntoMinus: " Horus, Static, and Draco left the site so they're all out of the picture." ~ Tkill

PlusIntoMinus: " Is Summa Crossroads failing? what a shame (happy.gif)" ~ Dj Osiris

monstermaster52: Lol.

monstermaster52: And?

PlusIntoMinus: It came up after your name was put forward. >_> Dj doesn't like you.

monstermaster52: ROFL

monstermaster52: Dj can go suck his delicious cock

PlusIntoMinus: darth browarod says you're failing to persuade him.

AgreenPastel: Of course you would call it a delicious cock...

monstermaster52: I heard.

monstermaster52: (Delicous cake, delicious cock...)

PlusIntoMinus: Even JerryFreelance here didn't support HORUS.

monstermaster52: Lol

PlusIntoMinus: All he wants is Slimey to Super Mod.

PlusIntoMinus: Spirit of DMG and wolfberserker have been getting the most support.

monstermaster52: LOLOLOL

monstermaster52: THERE GOES THE INTERNET

monstermaster52: A furry and a fat retarded anime-fapping downie.

monstermaster52: Whooooo.

monstermaster52: Although, it makes sense.

monstermaster52: You're probably posting that now.

monstermaster52: Awesome.

AgreenPastel: Slimey deserved Super a looooong time ago =/

monstermaster52: NO s***

monstermaster52: I thought he was one

AgreenPastel: Nope

AgreenPastel: Oh s***

monstermaster52: If he becomes one

AgreenPastel: Get Falling

monstermaster52: Rofl

monstermaster52: He would do ti?

monstermaster52: *it

AgreenPastel: Are you serious?

AgreenPastel: Which rock have you been living under?

monstermaster52: Lol

AgreenPastel: They have good coke there?

monstermaster52: Let's go get hi

monstermaster52: *him

PlusIntoMinus: "Horus: No. He may seem like a good choice but it still rests that he is still one of the biggest trouble makers on the site." ~ Tkill

monstermaster52: PM slimey

monstermaster52: tell him to get on aim

PlusIntoMinus: What makes you think you have a chance with getting Slimey to join?

monstermaster52: Huh?

monstermaster52: Because

monstermaster52: Slimey's just there out of boredom

monstermaster52: Last I checked

PlusIntoMinus: Ah.

PlusIntoMinus: Who will our biggest obstacle be?

monstermaster52: Hm.

monstermaster52: Tkill.

PlusIntoMinus: Like, what mods do we have basically no chance of taking?

monstermaster52: Tkill.

monstermaster52: >_>

monstermaster52: And browarod

monstermaster52: But he really doesn't matter

AgreenPastel: Dj

PlusIntoMinus: I'd have said Tkill and Dj.

PlusIntoMinus: Dj actually likes YCM.

monstermaster52: I don't give a f*** about dj

monstermaster52: His life is YCM and fa**** tree.

monstermaster52: We could get Kaze for the lulz

monstermaster52: OH

monstermaster52: THA'TS A GOOD IDEA

monstermaster52: >=D

AgreenPastel: Uhhh no...

monstermaster52: Why?

AgreenPastel: Furrget Kaze

AgreenPastel: Oh

AgreenPastel: And Star

monstermaster52: He has S-Mod powers

AgreenPastel: Will never support you

monstermaster52: We can abuse him

monstermaster52: WELL LOL NO s***

monstermaster52: I made a mockery of him on the interwebs

AgreenPastel: Ummm

AgreenPastel: Hold on

AgreenPastel: What exactly is your idea?

PlusIntoMinus: So your brilliant plan is to achieve the impossible?

monstermaster52: Yeah

monstermaster52: =D

monstermaster52: What's yours?

AgreenPastel: Mine

AgreenPastel: is to get laid in every country in South America by the time I'm 25

monstermaster52: stfu

AgreenPastel: Different girl in each country

monstermaster52: =/

monstermaster52: Crab?

PlusIntoMinus: DO A BARREL ROLL

AgreenPastel: Nice

AgreenPastel: On a skateboard?

AgreenPastel: Or not

monstermaster52: >_>

monstermaster52 has left the room.

PlusIntoMinus: dry.gif

AgreenPastel: ?

AgreenPastel has left the room.

 

 

Another Chat Log:

 

Draco (YCM): Want to help me, bhim, and Crab Helmet kill YCM?

browarod: um, why?

browarod: and, how?

Draco (YCM): Why? Because it needs to die

Draco (YCM): The how is being debated

browarod: why is Crab going along with this?

browarod: or bhim for that matter?

Draco (YCM): Because we don't like YCM

Draco (YCM): =p

browarod: yet they're mods

22:35

Draco (YCM): And?

browarod: why would they mod a site they want to kill?

Draco (YCM): Because it makes it easier

browarod: easier to kill it?

Draco (YCM): Ja

browarod: wait, so why does it need to die? what's wrong with it?

Draco (YCM): It's a noobhole

Draco (YCM): and it's wasting the time of smart people

Draco (YCM): And letting stupid people be stupif

Draco (YCM): *stupid

browarod: and what would you suggest we "smart people" do instead?

Draco (YCM): Not be on YCM

browarod: wait, so, what different ways are being debated? or do you not have any ideas yet?

Draco (YCM): We're trying to get

Draco (YCM): All the meritable mods

Draco (YCM): OR as many mods

Draco (YCM): as possible

Draco (YCM): To leave

Draco (YCM): And offer an official f*** you

browarod: well, even if I did leave, I wouldn't leave the latter statement

Draco (YCM): =p

22:40

browarod: but I don't really feel like leaving

browarod: despite it's problems, I really like YCM

Draco (YCM): Lolololol

Draco (YCM): That's it

browarod: that's what?

Draco (YCM): There's the guilt factor

browarod: not guilt

browarod: I just find it fun

Draco (YCM): =/

Draco (YCM): and you're 19?

browarod: yeah, so?

Draco (YCM): sleep.gif

 

 

More:

 

No sir

 

I actually like this site.

 

Draco had added me into a conversation where he was discussing the topic with someone else, I'm assuming Crab Helmet. I made a few comments pushing on Draco's envelope, to see what he would actually do.

 

I never intended to actually "assault" the site, however I do know what it is he actually plans to do.

 

If you have any other questions or would like to push on my envelope, feel free :]

 

---bhim

 

 

Another Chat log:

 

 

[21:26] invertremix: hi

[21:26] JK Rewrite: hi

[21:26] invertremix: I have a questio

[21:26] invertremix: question*

[21:27] JK Rewrite: ok

[21:27] invertremix: do you know if Draco was involved in the YCM attack?

 

[21:27] JK Rewrite: what attacvk?

[21:27] JK Rewrite: attack?

[21:27] invertremix: the porn attack

[21:27] JK Rewrite: Who were the usernames?

[21:27] invertremix: some were

[21:27] invertremix: Metallic Mist

[21:27] invertremix: SD Dueler

[21:27] invertremix: there were a lot of them

[21:28] JK Rewrite: Uhh

[21:28] JK Rewrite: idk

[21:29] invertremix: I mean

[21:29] JK Rewrite: 1: Matallic Mist, was mine

[21:29] JK Rewrite: Idk what SD Dueler is

[21:29] invertremix: I know you were involved

[21:29] JK Rewrite: but, I KNOW he was involved

[21:29] JK Rewrite: yeah, I was Metallic Mist

[21:29] JK Rewrite: I KNOW Matt was, but, idk what his username was

[21:29] JK Rewrite: dont tell him i told you please

[21:29] invertremix: why?

[21:29] invertremix: xD

[21:29] invertremix: I won't

[21:29] JK Rewrite: ok

[21:29] JK Rewrite: just dont

[21:30] invertremix: tell Matt directly

[21:30] invertremix: but ok

[21:30] JK Rewrite: huh?

[21:30] invertremix: I mean, this going to get posted on YCM

[21:30] JK Rewrite: hu?

[21:30] invertremix: but only in the mod forum

[21:30] invertremix: I'm trying to find out information on who did it

[21:30] JK Rewrite: go for it

[21:30] JK Rewrite: lmfao

[21:30] JK Rewrite: uhh, me, matt... and... maybe his friends

[21:30] JK Rewrite: but, idk

[21:30] JK Rewrite: Hi noob mods that were picked out of need!

[21:31] JK Rewrite: All of the new YCM mods were just picked because YCMaker needed them

[21:31] JK Rewrite: Because YCM Fails, and, its DYING

 

 

A chat log from Crab and Draco where Draco displays his flimsy, to say the least, explanation for why he knew what images were being posted:

 

 

monstermaster52 signed on at 6:03:15 PM.

PlusIntoMinus: Hello.

PlusIntoMinus: You person-who-doesn't-trust-me.

monstermaster52: I don't know what makes you say that.

monstermaster52: All I can do is say I do. @_@

PlusIntoMinus: Other than the fact that it's true?

PlusIntoMinus: Otherwise, you wouldn't have told me that you weren't behind SD Dueler.

monstermaster52: I told you so you'd know.

monstermaster52: =/

PlusIntoMinus: But it was false.

monstermaster52: If I don't tell you, you have reason to believe it's me

monstermaster52: Wait what.

monstermaster52: I'm confused.

monstermaster52: =/

PlusIntoMinus: It was false.

PlusIntoMinus: As in, you were lying to me.

monstermaster52: I'm not lying to you.

monstermaster52: @_@

PlusIntoMinus: As in, you were behind SD Dueler.

PlusIntoMinus: Yes, you are.

monstermaster52: Lol wut.

monstermaster52: It wasn't me.

PlusIntoMinus: You're lying through your fingertips.

monstermaster52: I can lie through my fingertips?

PlusIntoMinus: Unless you type with your nose, yes.

monstermaster52: And what if I do?

monstermaster52: Lol.

PlusIntoMinus: Then you'd be lying through your nose.

PlusIntoMinus: But the point is that you lied.

monstermaster52: What makes you think I'm lying?

PlusIntoMinus: You claim you sent that PM with the pictures all in IMG-tagged-ready-to-post format so that you could "warn him what to expect"?

monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: I didn't send Max a PM

PlusIntoMinus: monstermaster52: I got the code from one of the spammers' posts

monstermaster52: And sent it to him

monstermaster52: So he'd know what

monstermaster52: He was going to see.

monstermaster52: And no

monstermaster52: I don't mean post.

monstermaster52: I mean report.

monstermaster52: I sent him the TXT file with the IMG code of what he was posting. I sent it to him because if he saw it then, he wouldn't freak out when it came up in a post.

PlusIntoMinus: That explanation hasn't gotten any less thin since yesterday.

monstermaster52: And yes, I was going to report the people doing it.

PlusIntoMinus: Seriously, it doesn't even make sense.

monstermaster52: I don't hate YCM.

monstermaster52: I hate a few of its members.

monstermaster52: I'm not bored enough to raid it like that

monstermaster52: Besides

monstermaster52: The dude did a bad job.

PlusIntoMinus: The same impact would be had regardless of whether he saw them from the file you sent (in ready-to-post-IMG-tagged-for-convenience form) or from the posts of the spammers themselves.

monstermaster52: But at different time intervals.

PlusIntoMinus: So?

monstermaster52: Do you not get the point, dude?

PlusIntoMinus: There is no point.

PlusIntoMinus: That's the point.

monstermaster52: It would've been better for him to freak out before he saw them so he'd be faster to report.

monstermaster52: Thus preventing fewer children for being scarred.

monstermaster52: I do admit it was funny to see it happen

monstermaster52: But I wouldn't do that.

monstermaster52: For christ's sake, they're like 10 or younger.

PlusIntoMinus: I find your argument questionable.

PlusIntoMinus: You didn't send him the file with the IMG tags so that he would be a second faster in reporting.

monstermaster52: o-o

PlusIntoMinus: You sent the file so that he could post it.

monstermaster52: No way.

PlusIntoMinus: The text of the IM convo makes this clear.

PlusIntoMinus: There are no alternate interprettations of your words.

monstermaster52: Here's the deal

monstermaster52: The proxies they used are most likely from

monstermaster52: proxy.org

PlusIntoMinus: Actually, no.

monstermaster52: and math.cexyvideos.com

monstermaster52: The emails were all from guerillamail.com

PlusIntoMinus: That second one is where they're probably from.

monstermaster52: There's no other way they could make that many emails that fast.

PlusIntoMinus: Considering that that's the one you were distributing.

monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: I only gave that away

monstermaster52: To use at school

monstermaster52: Because it works at school

monstermaster52: For youtube and such

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: Youtube now requires "copypasta"

PlusIntoMinus: ?

monstermaster52: Huh?

monstermaster52: The copypasta was the file. The copypasta he would be seeing.

PlusIntoMinus: I didn't know you needed copypasta and fake e-mails to use YouTube.

monstermaster52: I gave him the proxy and the email site

monstermaster52: But

monstermaster52: He blocked me

monstermaster52: Before I could explain

monstermaster52: -_-

PlusIntoMinus: And why did you give him the e-mail site?

monstermaster52: Oh

monstermaster52: And

monstermaster52: maggiomartedi14 (3:12:58 PM):GO TO f***ing HELL YOU BASTARD

monstermaster52: So he could tell the mods...

monstermaster52: There's an email ban section on YCM's ACP if it's a good one.

monstermaster52: I know IPB has it, I had to use it when my site got raided.

monstermaster52: Also

monstermaster52: That's the other thing

monstermaster52: I've had my site raided

monstermaster52: I know that it's hell

monstermaster52: I wouldn't do that

monstermaster52: I disagree with YCMaker's policy, but it's his site, and I'm done with YCM. Or at least, I'm trying to be.

PlusIntoMinus: Explain this:

monstermaster52: There were around 50 accounts I had to delete

monstermaster52: When I got raided

PlusIntoMinus: Why would you send the "copypasta" IMG file, the proxy, and the fake e-mail within 1 minute of one another to Maggiomartedi14?

PlusIntoMinus: The proxy obviously wasn't for Youtube.

monstermaster52: Because quick action is effecient action

monstermaster52: The proxy was to report.

monstermaster52: You can block websites in a webhost's CP

monstermaster52: By blocking a website

monstermaster52: you block a proxy range

monstermaster52: It's tedious when there are lists of them

monstermaster52: But it works

PlusIntoMinus: You don't send a warning IMG file for an internet forum, a proxy for use with youtube at school, and a fake e-mail for reasons that you haven't even explained all at the same time.

monstermaster52: I just told you.

monstermaster52: -_-

monstermaster52: I gave him the proxy so he could report it.

monstermaster52: I was about to give him proxy.orh

monstermaster52: *org

monstermaster52: But he blocked me.

monstermaster52: And it's not a fake email

PlusIntoMinus: No, you only gave him one proxy and jumped staight to the e-mail.

monstermaster52: It gives you one every 15 minutes

PlusIntoMinus: "That's your fake email", you said.

PlusIntoMinus: I think that reveals its purpose.

monstermaster52: Right

monstermaster52: The one he would be reporting

monstermaster52: He blocked me too soon.

monstermaster52: You don't have to believe me, but I don't lie.

PlusIntoMinus: You asked if he wanted to help.

PlusIntoMinus: And he said "why not...

PlusIntoMinus: its a crappy forum"

monstermaster52: Help report.

monstermaster52: I didn't finish.

monstermaster52: How many times do I have to say that?

PlusIntoMinus: But you had plenty of time to finish.

PlusIntoMinus: But instead of finishing, you sent him the file, the proxy, and the e-mail.

monstermaster52: What?

PlusIntoMinus: You cut yourself off there.

monstermaster52: It all happened in seconds.

PlusIntoMinus: Unless your momentum made you continue sending files, proxies, and e-mails for more than half a minute,

PlusIntoMinus: you had plenty of time to respond.

PlusIntoMinus: But you didn't.

PlusIntoMinus: You just continued.

monstermaster52: I figured he was going to block me

monstermaster52: So I gave him the rest first.

PlusIntoMinus: You "figured he was going to block" you?

PlusIntoMinus: And on what did you base that conclusion?

PlusIntoMinus: Can you see the future?

PlusIntoMinus: Because nothing in that convo indicated that he was going to block you until after you'd given the e-mail.

monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: Well, the images were bad, and he's a priss.

monstermaster52: Do the math.

PlusIntoMinus: Furthermore, nothing in the convo said that you wanted his help reporting.

PlusIntoMinus: In fact, it was implied that you wanted him to help to continue the spamming.

monstermaster52: Implications only go so far.

monstermaster52: It's sunjective.

monstermaster52: *subjective

PlusIntoMinus: Also, the fileneames of the pictures in the IMG files match the ones that you mentioned you had in an earlier convo.

monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: He stole them from

monstermaster52: Offended

monstermaster52: As did I

monstermaster52: Is that such a small site it automatically makes it me?

PlusIntoMinus: And he did it a mere day after you did.

PlusIntoMinus: Coincidence?

PlusIntoMinus: I think not.

monstermaster52: Lol wut.

monstermaster52: You can't accuse me on a whim

monstermaster52: You don't have proof

monstermaster52: I trust you.

monstermaster52: I'm telling you the goddamn truth.

PlusIntoMinus: How many people would have the idea of taking images from the Offended page and flooding YCM with them in the span of merely a few days.

monstermaster52: Well, Goggle.

monstermaster52: *Goggler.

monstermaster52: Want to talk to him?

monstermaster52: His aim is Squishy Rigby100

PlusIntoMinus: Your explanation for the series of events in your AIM convo still does not hold water.

PlusIntoMinus: Everything relates to YCM...

monstermaster52: On what grounds?

PlusIntoMinus: ...and then BAM! Random YouTube proxy for school.

monstermaster52: I gave an alibi

monstermaster52: That's what I'm standing by.

PlusIntoMinus: An "alibi"?

monstermaster52: Whatever you want to call it.

PlusIntoMinus: An alibi requires you to defend yourself by showing that you were elsewhere at the time the crime occured.

PlusIntoMinus: You've proven that you were at your computer.

monstermaster52: And?

monstermaster52: I was reading CS3 tuts.

monstermaster52: DeviantART ftw?

PlusIntoMinus: An alibi also requires at least an attempt at proof.

PlusIntoMinus: Saying you were there is not proof.

PlusIntoMinus: Or even an attempt.

monstermaster52: How can I prove I was at DA?

PlusIntoMinus: You can't. So you have no alibi.

monstermaster52: I have what I can say.

monstermaster52: And then Raven sent me something about the pr0n happening.

monstermaster52: So I watched.

PlusIntoMinus: Just because he told you

PlusIntoMinus: doesn't mean that you didn't already know.

monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: Raven is a she, I think.

PlusIntoMinus: And that AIM convo of yours is fairly conclusive.

PlusIntoMinus: And your explanation defies all logic.

monstermaster52: Whatever.

PlusIntoMinus: Come on, just tell me. I'm not going to tell anyone.

monstermaster52: You want a confession

monstermaster52: Here it is.

monstermaster52: "I didn't do it."

PlusIntoMinus: AHAHAHA ORIGINAL JOKE

PlusIntoMinus: >_>

monstermaster52: No s***.

PlusIntoMinus: I see.

PlusIntoMinus: So you have decided that I can't be trusted.

monstermaster52: What?

monstermaster52: I'm telling you the truth.

monstermaster52: Honest to God.

monstermaster52: I'm atheist, but whatever.

monstermaster52: Honest to your God.

monstermaster52: Honest to History.

monstermaster52: >_>

PlusIntoMinus: So you maintain that the proxy link was for use at school to bypass YouTube?

monstermaster52: No, it was to report to the mods/YCMaker.

monstermaster52: I said that.

PlusIntoMinus: monstermaster52: Hm?

monstermaster52: I only gave that away

monstermaster52: To use at school

monstermaster52: Because it works at school

monstermaster52: For youtube and such

monstermaster52: =p

PlusIntoMinus: This was what you first said.

monstermaster52: To other people

monstermaster52: In general

monstermaster52: I use it at school

monstermaster52: Kigz Machine/Akurei Katana/Jebus/Jesus gave it to me.

PlusIntoMinus: ...so?

PlusIntoMinus: It was already established that we were discussing the AIM convo during which you distributed the IMG file.

monstermaster52: I was referring to giving it away in General

monstermaster52: You said I was distributing it

monstermaster52: I thought you meant in general

monstermaster52: Not just to Max

monstermaster52: I gave it to Max to report

PlusIntoMinus: We had already established that we were discussing the AIM convo.

PlusIntoMinus: Oh, and anyone who isn't Super Mod or higher can't see IP addresses.

PlusIntoMinus: So it couldn't be used for the purpose you describe.

PlusIntoMinus: Furthermore, you gave only one proxy; you didn't give proxy.org.

monstermaster52: One sec

PlusIntoMinus: Yet you claim to consider them equal.

monstermaster52: I'm busy

monstermaster52: Doing paid work

monstermaster52: Cash, not points

 

 

 

A failed explanation from Draco:

[18:58] monstermaster52: If you want to ask Yugioh Masta4444, his AIM is Squishy Rigby100

[18:59] monstermaster52: He's one of the people who did it

[18:59] monstermaster52: SD Dueler is is IRL friend

 

That was one of the biggest mistakes Draco made. Yugiohmasta was a good friend of mine (although I'm not proud of it) as IP evidence can confirm. "Squishy Rigby100" Is not his screename, nor was he involved in the raid.

 

Another snipper from a log, posted by Crab Helmet (he can confirm):

staticx5730: Oh

staticx5730: about that YCM raid

staticx5730: It was Draco

 

Another log:

 

monstermaster52: What happened?

monstermaster52: Someone do something?

PlusIntoMinus: Well, see, YCMaker got wind of your "plan" to cover the forum in pr0n, and suddenly some guys using proxies arrive and cover the forum in pr0n.

monstermaster52: Rofl

monstermaster52: They didn't use proxies

monstermaster52: They used diff comps

monstermaster52: Otherwise

monstermaster52: Said pron would still be there

PlusIntoMinus: Oh, and YCMaker seems a little unhappy that you're trying to swing moderators to your side.

monstermaster52: His loss

monstermaster52: Because I just compiled copypasta

PlusIntoMinus: ...what?

PlusIntoMinus: You're not making any sense.

monstermaster52: Offended

monstermaster52: Most of those pics.

monstermaster52: Oh, and I found some people to help.

PlusIntoMinus: I'm not following the link. >_>

PlusIntoMinus: It's ED.

monstermaster52: We're thinking june

monstermaster52: Mare says August

PlusIntoMinus: Ooh, a big complex plan with lots of complex planning.

monstermaster52: Probably just going to do it when I'm bored.

monstermaster52: Why do you care?

PlusIntoMinus: You brought it up. >_>

PlusIntoMinus: So, what is the plan?

monstermaster52: No

monstermaster52: Why do you defend

monstermaster52: Also

monstermaster52: I told you

monstermaster52: Proxy, double account, copypasta

PlusIntoMinus: You do realize that that plan hasn't gotten any less pointless than it was last time you mentioned it, right?

monstermaster52: Maybe

monstermaster52: But I have images this time

monstermaster52: Including

monstermaster52: goatse

monstermaster52: Dickgirl

monstermaster52: The pain series

monstermaster52: Someone's giant bleeding cock

PlusIntoMinus: And regardless of what images you have, the plan still fails. >_>

monstermaster52: Why?

monstermaster52: What would you do?

PlusIntoMinus: You're the mastermind, not me.

monstermaster52: Getting into the ACP would involve legal issues

PlusIntoMinus: Posting pr0n on a children's forum also involves legal issues.

monstermaster52: Oh?

monstermaster52: It's the internet

monstermaster52: And everyone uses it

monstermaster52: Find me a law

monstermaster52: http://www.guerrillamail.com/

 

 

 

(1:23:57 AM) Spirit DMG: So? Why did you do it huh?

(1:24:05 AM) SD Dueler: For fun.

(1:24:13 AM) Spirit DMG: Oh believe me it isn't fun

(1:24:19 AM) SD Dueler: It was fun

(1:24:33 AM) Spirit DMG: But the Mods sniffed out your little game in the end

(1:25:02 AM) Spirit DMG: Besides Copy & Paste? Lame if you ask me.

(1:25:11 AM) SD Dueler: Not lame

(1:25:19 AM) SD Dueler: I know you liked those pics

(1:25:35 AM) Spirit DMG: I've seen a lot worse believe me

(1:25:57 AM) SD Dueler: Was I the worst spam in the history of the board?

(1:26:32 AM) Spirit DMG: Well you did scare a lot of people. This needs to stop now. The Mods are on High Alert so you can't pull the same stunt twice

(1:26:41 AM) SD Dueler: Success

(1:28:11 AM) SD Dueler: It will be able to happen again.

(1:28:36 AM) Spirit DMG: It will take a lot more then that to take down YCM. By the way you do know that people laughed you off in the end. Your 5 minutes of fame? Seriously you scare none of us

(1:28:45 AM) Spirit DMG: Well we'll be ready for you

(1:28:56 AM) SD Dueler: Haha no

(1:29:10 AM) SD Dueler: Itll be hard to ban when I use 6 computers

(1:29:57 AM) SD Dueler: do you have tags aim?

(1:30:10 AM) Spirit DMG: Nope. Even if I did you're not getting it

(1:30:17 AM) SD Dueler: Okay

(1:30:43 AM) Spirit DMG: Oh just to let you know i've got the whole of this on Log. You're screwed.

(1:30:50 AM) SD Dueler: Okay

(1:30:51 AM) SD Dueler: lol

(1:30:55 AM) SD Dueler: WELL IM OUT

(1:31:03 AM) Spirit DMG: Laters sicko

(1:32:15 AM) SD Dueler: Just to tell you I do have relations with Darco.

(1:32:33 AM) SD Dueler: And also we probably wont be able to pull this off again but it would b fun

(1:32:39 AM) Spirit DMG: I already knew taht

(1:32:53 AM) SD Dueler: But nothing is impossible

(1:32:55 AM) SD Dueler: SD

(1:32:57 AM) SD Dueler: SD

(1:33:18 AM) SD Dueler: Well I guess this convo is going to be posted ont he board,. Eh?

(1:33:39 AM) Spirit DMG: Oh no. Just Given to the Main Mods as evidence

(1:33:45 AM) SD Dueler: Okay

(1:33:56 AM) SD Dueler: Evidence of?

(1:34:32 AM) Spirit DMG: You could be a Fraud, but i'm playing it safe

(1:34:51 AM) SD Dueler: As in? As in a am not really SD?

(1:35:12 AM) Spirit DMG: It's a possibility. How long does it take to create an account? 2 Minutes?

(1:35:27 AM) SD Dueler: On YCM?

(1:35:36 AM) SD Dueler: 30 secs

(1:35:38 AM) Spirit DMG: No your AIM account

(1:35:50 AM) SD Dueler: oh

(1:35:50 AM) SD Dueler: lime 45 secs

(1:35:50 AM) SD Dueler: like*

(1:36:02 AM) Spirit DMG: Best to end this Convo now

(1:36:24 AM) SD Dueler: And also it was mainly friends telling me to do it

(1:36:33 AM) SD Dueler: as in yugioh master 4444 he was at my house

(1:36:54 AM) SD Dueler: and optimistic mnm

(1:36:55 AM) Spirit DMG: Look for your own safety i'm ending it now. Don't say anymore

 

 

Yugiohmasta was at your house? Sure....

 

 

In addition to this evidence, I can confirm that a member on your old forum "Frunkspace" told me that Draco had in fact attempted to recruit him to spam the forum. In addition to that, "Max" from both here and your old forum testified to Draco attempting to recruit him and sending him the "copypasta". I can't seem to find the convo at the moment but if I can dig it up I'll be sure to post it.

 

What I have posted is the majority, but not all, of the evidence that was gathered to come to the decision of banning Draco. There is more in the form of screen shots and more logs as well, but I will have to continue digging. Yes this is circumstantial, yes Freelance is no longer a respected a member, but don't you think it a bit ridiculous that EVERYONE involved in what I posted above would be out to get Draco for no apparent reason at all if Draco is in fact innocent? You don't think it's a bit quincidental that Draco also displayed an extreme disdain for the way the forum was managed?

 

I think this combined with Mare's post is more than enough to support our case for Draco's involvement.

 

I appreciate your response, Falling.

 

I’ll start by saying that I am extremely glad to see the evidence finally released, and also like that you intend to try and find more. You might’ve thought that I wanted this evidence made public so that Matt could attempt to make ammunition out of any of its insubstantial aspects and how it is all inconclusive, or so that I could attempt to respond to it and try and say its wrong. Actually, I am not here to “staunchly defend Matt’s claims” at all. It may surprise you (not so much YCMaker, who has one eye on SXR all the time) that in reality I’m not very active at all on SXR, and I have thus far not bothered to involve myself in the YCM-related discussions, activities, events and campaigns of SXR (with the exclusion of the “funeral”, but in this I focused more still on YCM and its troubles, rather than creating more of the irrelevant, grotesque “scribblings” [sic], like those of some of my peers). The fact that Matt is banned is not the least bit of my concern.. The only reason I brought up the subject that you and YCMaker have “failed to yield” to his repeated proclamations of his innocence is because the fact that the evidence used to ban him was not made public, thus leaving the moderation team in a position in which their members are forced to see them (often with encouragement from Matt) as a corrupt and unfair unit (I’ll explain how this is possible later). I wanted it released to both prove that it existed and so that we can all get over the great attention-seeking façade made possible by this saga and begin to address the larger, far more important issue (in fact totally unrelated to Matt) that the site is facing.

 

I'll quickly point out that a man's word is in fact evidence, but as I said, not bullet-proof, and when coupled with lack of evidence to counter his word, it becomes more trustworthy - not a great deal, but more so nonetheless. This has been the problem. Had this evidence been posted not long after the time Matt’s initial ban was handed down, we could’ve avoided all the attention-seeking rants, complaints, petitions and general anti-YCM banter. This is because (a) Matt would’ve been disabled from making any claim he wanted as to his treatment and (b) there would be less of a reason for members to feel the need to have an anti-YCM sentiment, because they would’ve been both wilfully submissive to the swift system of punishment enforced by the moderation team, as well as pleased with their site’s command only acting when it has evidence to support itself, and acting accordingly when it does.

 

You should remember that you need not be fearful of a backlash from your members even if you punish someone based on evidence that is circumstantial. In the end, it is your forum, not your members. There is no need for this site to function like a sovereign real-world state with a fair justice system. YCMaker has payed for the site and does not take donations, therefore YCMers only have the privilege to use it, not the right. Thus any member can, essentially, be permanently banned for less than this via the use of even less evidence than this. If the member doesn’t like it, and then launches and attack, as YCMaker did in his message to Comcast (as you’ve attached to the evidence), measures can be taken to attempt to have them dealt with externally.

 

Moving on, it’s very good that it is now up to the members to analyse that evidence and make up their own minds, rather than only have what Matt tells them is true to consider. In response to your question, yes, I think it is extremely unlikely that everyone was randomly “out to get Matt”. I’ll say that a lot of that evidence is very much grounds for Matt’s ban, especially considering what I am of the impression you and I both see as the relative worth of the collective words of people, against that of one person, especially since I know for a fact that this evidence was not all acquired at once.

 

Before I get onto the “larger, far more important issue” I mentioned earlier, I’d like to quickly respond to some of the evidence. This is largely irrelevant, but I just want to get out my opinion on some things.

 

In response to your quote of me: Firstly, I’m sure you recall that at the time in which this was happening, I was largely concerned about my own forum. This paranoia for it led me to misconstrue something that Matt had posted on my forum as a threat, rather than a friendly warning (note how I referred to it as a “subliminal threat”) as to the intentions of not him, but others. Here is a quote of the very post that caused the problem:

 

[...] Be wary Frunk' date=' you don't want to have to fight a raid on a free board. It's not fun at all. [...'] Trust me. [...]

 

The topic can still be found on FrunkSpace (which is accessible if anyone needs it) and was "jspamax"'s introduction to the forum. How the problem arose can be discovered when reading the thread, so I won't bother explaining it here. You will find that it disables my posts on the subject in the Moderator's Forum at the time from being used as evidence. I was merely wary of Matt, who was actually informing me as to the fact that raids conducted against free boards (of which iPBFree is one) often succeed, as he has found out the hard way as an administrator of several such sites. It was discussed among the FrunkSpace council for a while and eventually, hysteria led to this comment turning from a friendly warning about raids and spy accounts to a “threat of hacking on Matt’s part”. Eventually, I saw an ally in my old combatant YCM (still not understanding the true nature of the comment quoted above) and therefore offered my assistance in your efforts, hoping that it would eventually lead to the “threat” of Matt somehow being “neutralised”. Having experienced paranoia on such a level as an administrator myself, on an unrelated note, it almost aggravates me that YCMaker appears to be so passive about YCM.

 

Next, I do agree with you on a number of your other points, notably that to do with Matt’s claim that our notorious old friend Masta was behind the raid, but I’ve decided that there is no benefit in posting these, and rather I will cut to the chase.

 

For the next few paragraphs I’d like to thank in advance Chaotix and Raven, both of whom helped me find a way to best amplify these points.

 

The fact that the evidence used in Matt’s ban was kept “confidential” for so long is an important example as to, as I said earlier, an issue that, simply because it exists, members can complain about, and more importantly, an example as to the lack of instruction, coordination and training (the latter sometimes leading to a lack of initiative, which is very important) of the moderation team of this site. Due to the evidence being concealed for so long, as I said earlier, it is likely the reason (irrespective of what really happened) that Matt was able to garner so much support, as he could essentially tell anyone anything, without there being any risk of his targets being able to believe anything different. This is why when Jerry was banned I saw it as essential to make a statement. The presence of the evidence allows the target to consider both sides’ claims when choosing their allegiance.

 

Now, the problems faced from the lack of instruction, coordination and training are simply that moderators unwillingly develop a number of traits that, collectively, lead to their corruption. The first of these traits is due to the fact that many moderators of YCM, global and normal moderators alike, are often the only moderator active and thus “in charge” (despite them having not been officially assigned to said forum, but I’ll elaborate on this later) of a certain forum. This, despite making them overly protective and thus productive in their respective forum, leads them to, more often than not, assume complete autocratic control of their forum (often made worse if they are left in charge of writing the rules thread of the particular forum). A typical, inevitable problem with autocratic moderator is the will to have everything go your way combined with the lack of power (i.e. an active administrator of coordinator of moderation) above the moderator to curb this will, leading them to do all they can (which is, especially if they’re a super moderator, a lot) to make things run “smoothly” (or more appropriately, “as they want things to run). I’ll quickly add that the addition of moderators being allowed to write and rewrite the rules rather than have the administrator write them himself can contribute to the moderators genuine thought that what they are doing is acceptable, thus encouraging them.

 

Now while I said earlier that the forum belongs to the administrator who pays for it, not the forum’s members, how the members are treated is not important. However, this is not entirely exclusive in knowing how to run a forum, as it is just something to remember when running a forum. If you would prefer to run a good forum, then you need to keep your members appeased. If your moderators are running amuck trying to establish dominance over the small slice of the Internet that you have allowed them to acquire and dictate, making said forum unpleasant for the members in the process, the forum will, of course, suffer as a result, and pacts of members will often break off and form their own sites. Therefore, it must be noted that the site does not belong to the moderators either, and thus disallowing their egos to fluctuate to their own accord is warranted, and indeed more often than not in the best interests of a good forum.

 

Continuing on from the traits that result from the lack of coordination, instruction and training, trait number two is less complex than the first. It relates to the lack of training. As I briefly mentioned earlier, a lack of training leads to a lack of initiative on the part of the moderator in question. This leads to them either failing to act either according, in time, or even at all in regards that issues that arise in their forum, which in turn leads to a general failure of the forum (the forum the moderator controls, not the entire board, just so we’re clear) in question and thus can potentially lead to members getting on the back of the moderator and forcing down their productivity, at times resulting in the moderator to leave out of frustration and/or losing the will to moderate. In the case of their leaving, another moderator has to be created to replace them, and more often than not the cycle will repeat itself.

 

I understand that you may see training and think either (a) that you take your moderator choices into great consideration and end up with moderators who (in your opinion) don’t need to be “trained” or (b) that the process of “training” and “instructing” moderators is too difficult and/or time-consuming and/or made impossible due to the attitude of the moderator. Let me clarify that I see training and instructing as things that are indeed potentially exclusive of each other and both in relation to what must be done when a new moderator is appointed. In the said case, a number of things should happen. The first of these is that upon their creation, moderators should be made to agree to a designated Moderator’s Code of Conduct, specifically detailing exactly what the administrator deems as acceptable for them to do in relation to how they moderate their respective zones, how they must conduct themselves when posting and using the other features of the board, how they act in relation to handing down any punishment for, as well as other issues to do with how they treat, members, and in the case of this forum, what is acceptable to discuss with regular members (note for Jerry-like issues). Knowing that they having special rules to follow (irrespective of what they are) should help level their heads, thus resulting in (keeping in mind how eager many YCMers are to become moderators) them moderating efficiently (warranting they know how to moderator efficiently, and I'll discuss this in the next paragraph).

 

Another thing that must be done as soon as the moderator is created is informing them as to how the rules of their designated forum (which should already exist, rather than it being left to them to write, and should not be able to be edited by the moderator without the consent of the administrator and/or other figure in a position of higher command than the moderator) are to be enforced. This will also disallow moderators from developing that autocratic will for things to be run how they want them to be run, also levelling their heads. The next thing that must be done is inform them as to how to moderate. This can be done in a number of ways, such as a simple message from the administrator or other coordinator of moderation, having experienced moderators compile a tutorial on moderation, or even implement a mentoring program (which I hear has already been discussed here). There are potential pluses and minuses of a mentoring program. On the plus side, it could lead to the mentor moderator and the new moderator developing a mutual respect for each other, thus improving inter-moderation and inter-moderator relations, as well as being valuable in establishing a coherent system of moderation across the forum. On the minus side, it could hamper the mentor moderator's ability to moderate their own section while also potentially being time-consuming and/or useless (the latter being if the new moderator fails to learn from their mentor). How the new moderators are trained is irrelevant. It is just something that needs to be done in some way.

 

The third (and for now, final) trait moderators develop when lacking coordination, instruction and training is less evident per moderator, but more important in regards to the moderation team as a whole. All this time I've been speaking about how in the absence of a higher command or authority, the moderators tend to rule their respective roosts on their own. I've explained the problems that arise from this and provided a number of ideas on how to quash the problems before they occur. Reading back on what I have written, I see that for such ideas to work, the moderation team needs coexist peacefully. While I personally no longer have access to the Moderator's Forum, I expect that not all moderators get along with one another, and I also expect that there is somewhat of a power struggle, or at least a lack of diplomacy and/or co-moderation. Without a sufficiently functioning mod team, the platform on which all the ideas I have given are to be built will be far to unstable to work as its meant to. However, I see a simple solution to this, and its one I've already been discussing here.

 

The only reason infighting happens to the extent at which it does is because there is no designated person in control who is sufficiently active enough to ensure the moderation team is being commanded. I am of course referring to YCMaker's extreme lack of activity. "Activity", in this sense, can be defined as simply posting at a sufficient rate. Here are some statistics on YCMaker's "activity":

 

• YCMaker's profile indicates he posts approximately once every second day.
  
• He is yet to make a post this month.
  
• Last month, he posted just once.

As is common knowledge, YCMaker is the sole administrator of this site. How can one expect a moderation team (designed to, essentially, serve the administrator) to function properly without any instruction or coordination from their administrator? More often than not if you browse other forums of this size on the Internet, an administrator with such a lacklustre posting contribution would be unheard of. I won't bother and try and relay the excuses YCMaker has used to justify his lack of activity, and rather cut to what affect it has on the moderation team. Simply, all the problems that were discussed earlier (with no Code of Conduct, the idea that moderators can do whatever they want goes to their head; the moderators being able to write their own rules; etcetera) are due to the lack of an active administrator or someone in an equivalent position, and how this person counters these problems has already been discussed, but there is one more potential benefit from having such a person.

 

This is indeed the coordination issue. If YCMaker were active as he should be, he could properly delegate tasks, be there to guide the moderators, be there to be consulted on what to do with major issues (like how to deal with Matt). He should re-write the now extremely-outdated rules (both the main rules and each forum's sub rules), as well as write a Code of Conduct to keep his moderators in check, as well as help his new moderators through their crucial first steps. However, it's not all a case of "could have; should have; can't now", as there is still a number of solutions. The first and most obvious is that he could become active! However, one would think that he'd have already done that if it was possible and/or it he was going to. So, he could create a second administrator! However, I know with a paid-board there is the ever-present trust issue and of course his belief that he doesn't need another administrator. Well in that case he could simply choose someone to become his second in command! They wouldn't have to an administrator, nor would they need a special group or title, they could simply be a super moderator, an existing one or one he selects anew, with no special powers above those of all the other super moderators, with the exception, of course, of the authority. This person (who would need a very good initiative and, for lack of a better word, gusto) could then go about doing all the things I suggested and of course more, while the forum and the moderation team gain and YCMaker is able continue to lack back and blissfully count his advertising revenue.

 

Anyone may feel free to challenge me, question me, or respond to any of the above points.

 

P.S. Wow. Over 3000 words. I bet this will drag in a load of "tl;dr" complaints.

[Larxene]

Well in that case he could simply choose someone to become his second in command! They wouldn't have to an administrator' date=' nor would they need a special group or title, they could simply be a super moderator, an existing one or one he selects anew, with no special powers above those of all the other super moderators, with the exception, of course, of the authority. This person (who would need a very good initiative and, for lack of a better word, gusto) could then go about doing all the things I suggested and of course more, while the forum and the moderation team gain and YCMaker is able continue to lack back and blissfully count his advertising revenue.[/quote']

 

I'm pretty sure Falling Pizza is already second in command, since he has more power than the other Super Mods do.

 

Although you probably already knew that. =/

[Parting Shot]

I'm pretty sure Falling Pizza is already second in command' date=' since he has more power than the other Super Mods do.

 

Although you probably already knew that. =/

[/quote']

FP does have more access than any other mod, and is, for all intents and purposes, the second-in-command, but I do not think that he is the same second-in-command that Frunk suggests, or at least not to the extent Frunk explained.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

tl;dr.

 

Is this some crap about that Draco guy again? Idiots on this site give him way too much publicity or w/e. Just ban him already and be done with it.

[Parting Shot]

tl;dr.

 

Is this some crap about that Draco guy again? Idiots on this site give him way too much publicity or w/e. Just ban him already and be done with it.

If you had actually taken the time to read any of it, you would have seen that it is not about Draco except for a few minor mentions.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

tl;dr typically means I didn't have the time to read it.

 

So what's this about then, for the people that don't feel like reading half a novel for something that can be summarized into a run-on sentence?

[Cyber Altair]

tl;dr.

 

Is this some crap about that Draco guy again? Idiots on this site give him way too much publicity or w/e. Just ban him already and be done with it.

 

And that he was banned a really long time ago.

 

Annoying TCGer's >.>