ragnarok1945 Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 I don't want to see the suffering either, but there has to be a way to maintain order. And since torture is against humanitarian principles, I doubt it'll be legalized anytime soon. Remember, for some people jail sentence is nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire Wolf Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Half my family was killed off by the Nazis. My Grandad and his parents survived' date=' to an extent. He was slammed into a concentration camp on the Russian side of the border. He escaped hardly with his own life.[/quote'] Thats were my uncle went,But he didnt escape hitler himself killed him,Thats why i want execution to be banned,But thats my opinion,Not your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Do you guys know the reprocussions of banning death sentences?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 The main ones of the total loss of order and the escalation of crimes are enough for me to know you can't ban it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellKaiserofDarkness Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Prisoners= Cost extra money Killing = Easy option Prisons are already overcrowded exactly I agree with blood Rose' date='I live in the UK and theres two amny jail sentences!My cousin got jailed for something he did not do becuase i was there!But would they belive me Nooooo,Becuase im a kid.So now my cus is gettign teh blame for killing a child younger than me.He tried to save that kid!Even though teh kid suvived.Its a good job we dont do exacaution over here in the UK,The only person whos houdl have been exicuted a million times was HILER!MY GRANDADS BRO GOT KILLED BY HIM!HILTER I HOPE YOUR NOT IN HEAVEN!And after teh concentration camps......There was no point in hilter saying bye to his country before he was killed,Hes insane,hes a insane man who wanted to rule the world,Exicuted alot of people becuase of his Insaneness. So,Yes i think exicution shoudl be banned becuase,That show were following the ways of hilter,Who killed so many of us![/quote'] There is a HUGE difference from Hiter killing people and the death penalty. Hitler killed lots of people for NO REASON except for theyre religion(jews) and for peoples ideas(in war). The death penalty is about bringing those to justice who have COMMITTED horrible CRIMES and deserved to be put to death. Now, if they are on death row that are innocent, that is not a reason for the discontinuation of the death penalty, only to improve the judical system. I live in US so idk how the british system works for the courts but anywayz i think the innocent is not a problem with the death penalty, only with the way the courts work. We need the death penalty in situations like your hatred for Hitler. We need the death penalty to kill that insane man like other insane people that deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 and I have stated before if we go by that statement we might as well extend the death sentence to even lesser crimes simply to prevent overcrowdedness in prisons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellKaiserofDarkness Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 why would u kill people for lesser crimes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 That is insane, why would you want to suggest the death sentence to petty crimes? That is blasphemy. So if I was "accused" of rape, I would get the death sentence even if I was truly innocent? That is absurd. The death sentence should only be issued to murders or criminals of that caliber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Prisoners= Cost extra money Killing = Easy option Prisons are already overcrowded exactly You admitted it yourself something has to be done about the overcrowdedness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Are you guys crazy? You're saying we need to kill more to decrease the number of criminals in prison? If we do that, we are turning into murders ourselves. Killing others just to decrese the populations in prisons, thats insane. We just need to build more prisons or open up alcatraz and make more of them. Killing isn't the answer, we would be turning ourselves into mass murders. Then, as this progresses, people will be demanding somebody to be killed just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 I didn't say that's what I wanted, Monkeybuoy2. But clearly HellKaiserofDarkness sees it that way. We begin more killing, we become no better than the criminals themselves, if not worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellKaiserofDarkness Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 i didnt say for smaller crimes..only for murder . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 If it's one murder you're not supposed to invoke the death sentence right away on that person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 If we begin killing more people just to decrease the population in prisons, we won't be any better than the people who are prison this very moment who were accused of murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellKaiserofDarkness Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 i didnt say right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 If we begin killing more people just to decrease the population in prisons' date=' we won't be any better than the people who are prison this very moment who were accused of murder.[/quote'] Exactly my point. We always say we know better than them, but the moment this is put into effect it negates all that. We have to hold on to our more humanitarian principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 If we begin killing more people just to decrease the population in prisons' date=' we won't be any better than the people who are prison this very moment who were accused of murder.[/quote'] Exactly my point. We always say we know better than them, but the moment this is put into effect it negates all that. We have to hold on to our more humanitarian principles.Truth to that. If we change anything about executions, it should be in how we execute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 In which I would only say make it more painless and make it faster. Lethal injection (most common one in the US) is painless, but I'm not sure just how fast it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 What I have heard is that it takes some time before it actually takes effect because a lethal injection is caused by an massive surge of potassium injected into the body. The only quick way would be to shoot them, but that sounds in-humain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 You may not know this, but for a firing squad of say 5 people to shoot one man, 4 of them are given blanks in their bullets, only one has the real bullet, in which none of these 5 people who who has the real round and who has the blank. I admit it sound a little inhuman, but at least it's quick and painless when shot in the head (like being decapitated, although that is simply unacceptable execution by today's standards) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 But if 4 out of the 5 have no bullets, what if the one with the bullet doesn't kill the person.... hmm... and also the quickest and most painless way to kill with a gun is to shoot right where the spinal cord connects to the brain on your back side. It is an instant kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 well I'm pretty sure all 5 people are skilled marksmen when doing the shooting to make it quick and painless. Always go right between the eyes. Now, on the other hand if you simply want an automated assault rifle do deliver the blow without human assistance at all......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holy Babylon Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 If you're shot by six people firing three bullets at you, that's eighteen bullets. They aim for your chest. I don't think you'd survive from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 that's true, but so far the standard rule for a firing squad is only one person in the group has the real bullet, all the others have blanks (it's been this way for years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Well they better be able to get a one-shot-kill unless the criminal will be suffering like hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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