[DISC] Obelisk the Tormentor

[.:pyramid:.]

phantom of chaos food at best

[tonisanoob]

DUFFMAN, funk OFF!

 

*ahem*

 

anyhoo the art is pretty epic

its ALRIGHT i guess, at least it cant be hit by dad :P

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

The only god card that's decent is Slifer

[Saiyan Knight]

Wow, there really aren't very many good players on this site at all, are there?

 

Maybe I'll move to a different site and spare myself the headache. =|

 

Obelisk is pretty good, all things considered. I wouldn't say it'll be tier 1, but tier 1.5 sounds like a good top-speed for the big guy. He could probably keep up with everything but Lightsworn, and that's only when they luck out against him with Judgment Dragon.

 

And Slifer is shitty. It's a card that literally punishes you for playing cards.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

This is terrible, and much to slow. I guess you could try and go with some kind of Reasoning + Megamorph OTK, but this card really won't go far.

 

Normal Summoning it + Using it's effect = wasting five cards for a raigeki and a monster that can't attack.

[~ Chidori-Kun]

BAD...

[Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer]

This is terrible' date=' and much to slow. I guess you could try and go with some kind of Reasoning + Megamorph OTK, but this card really won't go far.

 

Normal Summoning it + Using it's effect = wasting five cards for a raigeki and a monster that can't attack.

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You can't equip to it.

 

EDIT: I just PMed Saiyan Knight to challenge him/her to make a deck based around Obelisk.

 

He's going to do it sometime later. So just watch.

[CrabHelmet]

Its best use is probably just transforming Reasoning into 4000 damage. It pretty much needs to be Special Summoned, since Normal Summoning it costs too many monsters to be efficient - you may as well use The Dark Ruler and go for an OTK, and you wouldn't even need to spend your Normal Summon.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

The first legal DIVINE monster, wonder if this attribute'll get any support or monsters for it other than Egyptian Gods.

[Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer]

I just remembered that this will come out in the OCG 5 days before Christmas and 8 days after this day.

 

Wait until 12/20/08.

[Megaworm]

can you kill it with Tribe Infecting Virus? or can you not target Divine-Beast with that effect or effect Obelisk at all with it?

 

same goes for D.D. Warrior Lady vs. Obelisk.

[Saiyan Knight]

Tribe-Infecting Virus and D.D. Warrior Lady do not target, and thus effect Obelisk. However, Tribe-Infecting is banned and D.D. Warrior Lady is at one, so, it's not like it'll be a default answer that most people will use. :P

[Megaworm]

non-meta. I live in montana and there are NEVER going to be tournaments held in montana, so it's okay to refer to TIV as a limited card and able to be used.

[Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer]

Saiyan Knight just posted the Obelisk deck.

 

He/she uses Mausoleum in there, which must be the best way to Normal Summon Obelisk at the moment.

[Saiyan Knight]

Saiyan Knight just posted the Obelisk deck.

 

He/she uses Mausoleum in there' date=' which must be the best way to Normal Summon Obelisk at the moment.

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He. I'm a male. :P

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Can't. The summoning conditions dictate that you MUST use three monsters.

[Saiyan Knight]

That's not how that works. It's just stating that it needs more than 2 Tributes. It doesn't mean that using a card that says it can substitute for tributed monsters won't work.

 

-EDIT-

It's a lot like the way that the rules for Synchro Summons say to send the Tuner and Non-Tuner(s) to the Graveyard, but they don't need to go to the Graveyard to work.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

"This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set except by Tributing 3 monsters."

 

Note the presence of the "cannot... except by" duo, which makes this card like nomis in a way in that it cannot be bypassed by any means (excluding "ignoring the summoning condition" cards.)

 

If it's text was more like "You must tribute three", your combo would work, but the way this is worded there is no way to get around tributing three.

[werewolfjedi]

Wow' date=' there really aren't very many good players on this site at all, are there?

 

Maybe I'll move to a different site and spare myself the headache. =|

 

Obelisk is pretty good, all things considered. I wouldn't say it'll be tier 1, but tier 1.5 sounds like a good top-speed for the big guy. He could probably keep up with everything but Lightsworn, and that's only when they luck out against him with Judgment Dragon.

 

And Slifer is shitty. It's a card that literally punishes you for playing cards.

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slifer is a defensive monster, it reduces the mode a monster is summoned in by 2000 and if it hits 0 from this, it dies. (I think)

 

so you don't need 3 cards to beat DAD, just 1. and he would be the monst easily revived, limit reverse to summon slifer on your opponent's turn to blast them all with his power. or on your own to attack

[Saiyan Knight]

I would say that it's closer to a Fusion Monster that says "This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon" and using a Versago the Destroyer.

 

-Edit-

 

Because Mausoleum is like using a "Substitute" for each tribute, that is.

[Megaworm]

"This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set except by Tributing 3 monsters."

 

Note the presence of the "cannot... except by" duo' date=' which makes this card like nomis in a way in that it cannot be bypassed by any means (excluding "ignoring the summoning condition" cards.)

 

If it's text was more like "You must tribute three", your combo would work, but the way this is worded there is no way to get around tributing three.

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which is why i don't run only-special-summon cards that say "Cannot be Special Summoned Except By" because if someone happens to kill it, it's gone forever, unlike "can only be special summoned" which means if it dies, Monster Reborn, Prema or Call'o can bring it back.

[werewolfjedi]

"This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set except by Tributing 3 monsters."

 

Note the presence of the "cannot... except by" duo' date=' which makes this card like nomis in a way in that it cannot be bypassed by any means (excluding "ignoring the summoning condition" cards.)

 

If it's text was more like "You must tribute three", your combo would work, but the way this is worded there is no way to get around tributing three.

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you don't get what a nomi really is do you?

 

nomi here means it can't be S- summoned unless you follow the intsructions

this does not say that, it is more like a non-opitional gilford the lighting.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

I would say that it's closer to a Fusion Monster that says "This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon" and using a Versago the Destroyer.

 

-Edit-

 

Because Mausoleum is like using a "Substitute" for each tribute' date=' that is.

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The Versago the destroyer analogy doesn't work, because it's still a fusion summon, and the card doesn't designate that the proper material monsters must be used. Note that if that card text was "This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon with the above Fusion monsters" then you COULD NOT use Versago because the card specifically designates that no substitutes can be used. That is exactly what Obelisk does: It prevents substitutes by specifically designating that no forms of normal summoning except tributing three monsters is allowed.

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"This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set except by Tributing 3 monsters."

 

Note the presence of the "cannot... except by" duo' date=' which makes this card like nomis in a way in that it cannot be bypassed by any means (excluding "ignoring the summoning condition" cards.)

 

If it's text was more like "You must tribute three", your combo would work, but the way this is worded there is no way to get around tributing three.

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you don't get what a nomi really is do you?

 

nomi here means it can't be S- summoned unless you follow the intsructions

this does not say that, it is more like a non-opitional gilford the lighting.

I said it's LIKE a nomi, not that it is one. It clearly isn't a Nomi because the text only applies to normal summoning, but my point was that it uses the same wording for normal summoning as Nomis use for special summoning, which gives it the "you absolutely have to follow the conditions" effect that nomis carry.

[Megaworm]

"This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set except by Tributing 3 monsters."

 

Note the presence of the "cannot... except by" duo' date=' which makes this card like nomis in a way in that it cannot be bypassed by any means (excluding "ignoring the summoning condition" cards.)

 

If it's text was more like "You must tribute three", your combo would work, but the way this is worded there is no way to get around tributing three.

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Ganadora The Dragon Of Destruction vs. Crush D. Ganadora

Milleniuman vs. Sengenjin

Victory D. vs. Victory Dragon

Black Magician vs. Dark Magician (Black Magician puts racist images in my head)

 

name changes work well enough.

 

I wouldn't mind some common Mirror Force, Solemn and other super expensive cards to be dumbed down to affordable commons.

 

 

EDIT: oops i must've clicked Back too many times, this was supposed to be posted somewhere else.

[Saiyan Knight]

Hmmm... I can see how that would be interpreted like that, when you mention that. I would say it's up in the air, but your way makes sense.