2sick4u Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 FYI: Megaworm was saying marriage wouldn't exist without Religion, not that you have to be Religious to get married. Pretty obvious. Not that the obvious makes a difference to Ragnarok, of course. Also, their are such things as marital benefits. Although that's not a major incentive to get married, such things of that nature make marriage seem more acceptable than people merely living together to the majority. Love is a realistic Emotion, no matter how much of a pseudo-intellectual you consider yourself to be by denying it. As such, Marriage is now obviously viewed as the ultimate commitment to such emotion, regardless of it's original and semi-current Religious purpose. =\. In short: We don't need it perse'; But that still doesn't warrant cause for getting rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Do you believe we need love to go on? Or do you think we can all endure it ourselves. Marriage merely makes the togetherness official to an audience, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sick4u Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Do you believe we need love to go on? Or do you think we can all endure it ourselves. Marriage merely makes the togetherness official to an audience' date=' nothing more.[/quote'] It's meant to unify permanent bond between the two, not convince others of it. Also, as for love. We don't need it, but it's easily better than not having it at all in any sense. What is life if you simply exclude all pleasures of it? Yeah. Self-endurance, in my mind, is more of a temporary relevant, as apposed to being something that our lives can be focused or based upon. It, in itself, can hardly make a viable argument against love when it comes to life. My original point still stands, though, the symbolic meaning of marriage grants it more purpose than not having it at all. The fact that individuals can be robbed by such action isn't the fault of marriage itself, but rather the civil rights and laws that go with it. =\. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 for love, if you exclude it you'll probably just live a life of misery. And the symbolic meaning of marriage doesn't always have to grant it purpose (think of the high number of divorces these days, though that's endurance after all). It's not like you need the marriage's official stamp of approval to know your partner is in your life (the engagement can do that already) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sick4u Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 for love' date=' if you exclude it you'll probably just live a life of misery. And the symbolic meaning of marriage doesn't always have to grant it purpose (think of the high number of divorces these days, though that's endurance after all). It's not like you need the marriage's official stamp of approval to know your partner is in your life (the engagement can do that already)[/quote'] As I said before, Marriage isn't needed perse'.However, just because some are comfortable without being married, doesn't warrant for it's removal. As for the divorces, Divorces in itself don't break the symbolic meaning of marriage. The symbolic meaning of marriage more or less provides someone with their original motive to get married, not their motive to stay married. Divorces are merely the result of temptation; Hesitation and the like. Marriages' intended purpose remains all the same. And that purpose is to simply show devotion between two people. It shows love. It shows nearly anything that's viewed as illogical by some, but either way, it still shows it. In a sense, yes, marriage is for the audiences, but that side of it is rather subliminal in comparison to the emotional meaning behind it. However, I'm not that great at explaining this.. =\. Although I prefer being emotional to logical, I haven't really stayed in touch with that, resulting in my contradicting views appearing everywhere. >.>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 not in all cases the symbolic marriage has to be two people loving each other (there's certainly been cases where accidental pregnancy resulted in marriage, certainly not the one you want) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentxbanshee Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 You spelled Marriage wrong. Anyway' date=' marriage for the most part is religious as already pointed out. If you aren't religious, don't get married. =/[/quote'] Okay then, so what about gay people (me being one) I myself know there's a god and many gay people find that strange. What about them should they not get married cause they dont want to be condemed to hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 You spelled Marriage wrong. Anyway' date=' marriage for the most part is religious as already pointed out. If you aren't religious, don't get married. =/[/quote'] Okay then, so what about gay people (me being one) I myself know there's a god and many gay people find that strange. What about them should they not get married cause they dont want to be condemed to hell? This is why so many people believe gay marriage should be legal, whereas others oppose them (they are the ones who try to deny gay people a chance for love) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentxbanshee Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 There can be a non religious weddings, For those who dont think theres a god why dont you have one? Marridge is only one of the purest and beautiful of gifts god (or buddah) gave to us the thought of it not being here is very sad thats like saying lets take love away. Its not for the people not even mature enough for sex thats for sure. If your 20 love that person its a chance worth taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 There can be a non religious weddings' date=' For those who dont think theres a god why dont you have one? Marridge is only one of the purest and beautiful of gifts god (or buddah) gave to us the thought of it not being here is very sad thats like saying lets take love away. Its not for the people not even mature enough for sex thats for sure. If your 20 love that person its a chance worth taking.[/quote'] that's why I never believed in the "hold matrimony" saying. That's basically saying marriage is only allowed for religious people. So basically for people who aren't, they have to become religious (even against their will at times) before they're allowed to be married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentxbanshee Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Yes I dont agree with that either, I would have a religious wedding even as an homosexual but to deny the right to a secular wedding is ubsurd. I dont think god would want to force himself on your marridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Yes I dont agree with that either' date=' I would have a religious wedding even as an homosexual but to deny the right to a secular wedding is ubsurd. I dont think god would want to force himself on your marridge.[/quote'] You know a lot of people feel they don't want to marry simply because they don't want the burden of taking care of children. Now there shows you lack of knowledge on the subject. No one ever said once you marry you MUST have children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentxbanshee Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Omg what lazy B**tches. Okay I have to be gagnsta for that one haha. Omg I hate when people take things for granted like child birth I could smack someone in the face for that. Hmm anyways. Marridge doesint automaticly mean children. Some think god put us here to breed but thats not the case children should come from love not obligation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Omg what lazy B**tches. Okay I have to be gagnsta for that one haha. Omg I hate when people take things for granted like child birth I could smack someone in the face for that. Hmm anyways. Marridge doesint automaticly mean children. Some think god put us here to breed but thats not the case children should come from love not obligation. I admit most married couples end up having children, but a marriage is just an official union between two people who love each other. Yes you can say a child represents evidence of that, but what would the child represent if the two later on divorced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentxbanshee Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 That things happen for a reason, My mother and father met to bring me my sister, and my brother into this world. Thats the way I see it. Some marridges are ment to last some are ment simply to bring children into the world. Not saying thats what marridge itself is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 That things happen for a reason' date=' My mother and father met to bring me my sister, and my brother into this world. Thats the way I see it. Some marridges are ment to last some are ment simply to bring children into the world. Not saying thats what marridge itself is for.[/quote'] That's true. Still, I find it strange that you find a person to marry for nothing more than to have a child together, and that's it. That'd make the marriage too forced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentxbanshee Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Your taking what I said the wrong way, Im meaning in a greater sense you know "gods plan" surely no one is stupid enough to marry just to reproduce. What a silly wh*** that would make someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Your taking what I said the wrong way' date=' Im meaning in a greater sense you know "gods plan" surely no one is stupid enough to marry just to reproduce. What a silly wh*** that would make someone.[/quote'] No, but a lot of people feel "god's plan" includes allowing the human race to survive but it has to be done LEGALLY (which means giving birth, not cloning) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentxbanshee Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Okay I can go inpregnate a hooker and have a child with her to populate. There are how many billions of people I think we are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 well yeah that too, but does that mean you'll marry the hooker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentxbanshee Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 yeah if its a cute hooker DUH. Your still not getting it. Im saying god alowes people to get married who wont end up together for reasons. Like createing a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 yeah if its a cute hooker DUH. Your still not getting it. Im saying god alowes people to get married who wont end up together for reasons. Like createing a child. please, now you're saying people got together because they created a child together before marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 All marriage does outside of religious and romantic contexts is to set when you should have sex and when you shouldn't. :/ And eat money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentxbanshee Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Thats not what im saying at all...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 then what are you getting at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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