Saiba Aisu Posted December 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Yeah, Frostbite Magician actually doubles as both a utility and offensive monster - it helps summon Shimmering Dragon very easily, and when Frozen Palace is on the field, it can reduce a monster's ATK by 1000, which is another great counter against TeleDAD. Support edited in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Shimmering is obv boss monster. Not OPd. It's good. Are Ice Counters fast enough to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiba Aisu Posted December 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Yeah, Shimmering Dragon is la creme de la creme for Ice Monsters. Hm. Ice Counters are supposed to fairly speedy. However, they can't hope to compare with TeleDAD, which is speed and efficiency incarnate. The cards are supposed to make up for a slower tempo Control Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Which isn't bad, just tier 3 or 4. Rofl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiba Aisu Posted December 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Nah, I'm thinking Tier 2 or so, once I add faster support. Generic drawing is bad, but I think I might be able to create an effect that uses the removal of Ice Counters for drawing. New card edited in. I'm looking for images as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alordzynix Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Cyber_Commander note that there are currently two cards in the OCG/TCG using Ice Counters but neither took the effect that monsters with Ice Counter(s) cannot change their battle positions so it shoudn't be an effect of the Ice Counters because if I'm correct all cards that can place A-Counters have stated wat an A-Counter does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 inb4 they become Cold/Blizzard/Freeze tokens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiba Aisu Posted December 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Zynix, an admirable post, but you should really learn to read. The opening line of my post says that it's hypothetical support for Ice Counters. Furthermore, since there are only two cards in the OCG/TCG that use Ice Counters, I think this would be an Archetype more easily edited than a large one. It doesn't hurt that both of the TCG/OCG cards in question originally had manga effects dealing with Ice Counters like these, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alordzynix Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 I'm dutch and I'm not a walking dictionary so I intend to read over some words I at first sight don't seem to know. Not a good habit maybe but it doesn't kill me so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiba Aisu Posted December 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 It's alright - everybody makes mistakes. What do you think of the new Ice Support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendhiro Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 hurray! they're here, kinda. i really hope you make them as not just written cards. if you do, are you going to use manga pics that you colored? what i've seen of those are really awesome. anyway, 8.5/10 for now. it'll probably go up though since i seem to like these more each time i read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiba Aisu Posted December 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Haha, thanks. Yeah, with some luck, I might be able to find some decent images and edit them a bit, since I'm very choosy when it comes to images. I can't use the colored Manga ones - they're already Manga cards. However, Frostbite Magician is supposed to be of a very similar animation style to Cold Enchanter. I'll see what I can find. In the meantime, I think I'll post a card with the image I was commissioned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dream Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Well Done!!! 10/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiba Aisu Posted December 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Added Blizzard Curtain and Instant Freeze - but with revamped effects to work with Ice Counters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Instant Freeze is good. Curtain is enemy controller +Counter. Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodri666 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Awesome cards!! Make more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Maybe it should be:Your opponent cannot Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck. Destroy this card if there are no Ice Counter(s) on the field.A good card, a bit like Non-Fusion Area, but good nevertheles. 8/10Please Read my fanfic \/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiba Aisu Posted December 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Thanks, guys. More on their way, probably. I'm pretty sure the lore is right for Extra Freeze, though, especially since there are some cards that will Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck and treat it as a Fusion Summon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:|Fallen|:. Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 these are sweet cards10/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiba Aisu Posted December 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyson Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Ice Counters.. lol. I made an Ice Counter set too, it was only like 20 cards though. Then I moved a step ahead to Ice-type monsters. Fun was had. These look both balanced and broken. Shimmering Dragon is broken. 3 Ice Counters on the field to Summon without Tribute, and he'd gain 1500 ATK off the bat. So, that's a 4300 ATK Normal Summon. And you can get the 3 counters with Ice Blossom. Limit Reverse that little thing and throw down big daddy. Really, unnecessary. Frozen Palace is ridiculous too. It's Venom Swamp with a win condition. Lol what? Sure, 10 turns is like "yeah right," but it doesn't need to be on the card just to add pressure to get rid of it (as if -500 ATK per Ice Counter wasn't enough pressure.) A good idea in concept, but a lot of the cards push the envelop, and a lot of combos are put right in plain sight to make Ice Counter spreading not nearly as hard as you're making it out to be. 7/10 all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dream Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 cool, 7/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiba Aisu Posted January 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 These look both balanced and broken. Shimmering Dragon is broken. 3 Ice Counters on the field to Summon without Tribute' date=' and he'd gain 1500 ATK off the bat. So, that's a 4300 ATK Normal Summon. And you can get the 3 counters with Ice Blossom. Limit Reverse that little thing and throw down big daddy. Really, unnecessary.[/quote'] Shimmering Dragon is a Boss Monster. He's supposed to be powerful, although, I'll admit, 500 ATK is a lot for every Ice Counter on the field. I was thinking of changing it to 300 per Counter, which should be much better. You make a valid point, although anyone that runs Limit Reverse this format, and even less, for one card, doesn't have a brain stem. Frozen Palace is ridiculous too. It's Venom Swamp with a win condition. Lol what? Sure' date=' 10 turns is like "yeah right," but it doesn't need to be on the card just to add pressure to get rid of it (as if -500 ATK per Ice Counter wasn't enough pressure.)[/quote'] The amount of time cards spend on the field this format are at an all-time low, what with all the destruction, negation, and removal running around. Ten turns may not seem like much, but it's plenty of time for nay competent Duelist to pull an MST, Heavy Storm, etc. A good idea in concept' date=' but a lot of the cards push the envelop, and a lot of combos are put right in plain sight to make Ice Counter spreading not nearly as hard as you're making it out to be. [/quote'] In case you hadn't noticed, only three cards can place Ice Counters with any reliability - Ice Blossom, Frostbite Magician, and Shimmering Dragon. Of those three, one is a Level 7 monster that requires Ice Counters on the field for it to be of any use. I'm basing a lot of these cards' effects and playability as compared to the top tiers of today's Metagame, and how they would perform against it. TeleDAD is easily one of the best Decks we've seen so far, and players that don't run it will have to be using some pretty good cards to stand a chance of victory. Hence, the powerful effects and speed for the Ice Counters, although there's no way that these cards could ever be broken, since any Deck that relies on Counters will never be top tier. One new card added - Frozen Chimera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 As I said, a bit like Dragon Ice. Very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowbreath Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 if this is based off a manga thing like every one says shouldn't this belong in pop culture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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