ragnarok1945 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 the people who care for you wants to help you get over the "I want to kill myself". The people who do not will be indifferent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Let me give you a hint: Girls try to kill themselves several times more often than boys do. However' date=' several times more boys die from suicides than girls do. The reason is obvious: [i']girls suck at killing themselves.[/i] So, what happens if someone tries to kill himself or herself and fails? They try to help you somehow. :) If you threaten to kill yourself they take you into custody and try to help you. Obviously the suicide law isn't against anyone. But it's trying to protect you and others. (not directed towards crab helmet) Ah, but how can they try to help you? Nobody will ever be found guilty of attempted suicide. Why not? Because it's not literally illegal. It's a moral and beneficial push. If everyone who thought "Wow I'm sad" went around killing themselves, the world would be chaotic. If suicide is illegal, attempted suicide is also illegal. It is possible to be put on trial for attempted suicide; however, nobody on earth will ever be convicted of it, because there's an unbreakable defense that can always be used. Also, I'm not going to bother speaking with the peanut gallery of people who think turning everything into a government conspiracy discussion is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 the people who care for you wants to help you get over the "I want to kill myself". The people who do not will be indifferent Would the government make it illegal if they didn't care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 what would you say for the unbreakable defense if you were put on that trial, Crab? Me, I'd just say you can't take away my free will Willieh: they only care if there's too many cases. Occasional cases are irrelevant to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 what would you say for the unbreakable defense if you were put on that trial' date=' Crab? Me, I'd just say you can't take away my free will[/quote'] Your defense is garbage and so are you. The moment you have government, your free will is infringed upon; otherwise, the government has no power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Willieh: they only care if there's too many cases. Occasional cases are irrelevant to them You're chasing intention. Look at the law itself. Intention isn't important. If I kill a murderer, and my intention was just to get revenge on him; I've still killed a murderer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 and therefore you'd still be charged with murder anyway, suicide is different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodrun Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 what would you say for the unbreakable defense if you were put on that trial' date=' Crab? Me, I'd just say you can't take away my free will[/quote'] Your defense is garbage and so are you. The moment you have government, your free will is infringed upon; otherwise, the government has no power. Crab.. this is, the general forum, and not the debate section. Therefore members aren't expected to read up on their knowledge before talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 what would you say for the unbreakable defense if you were put on that trial' date=' Crab? Me, I'd just say you can't take away my free will[/quote'] Your defense is garbage and so are you. The moment you have government, your free will is infringed upon; otherwise, the government has no power. Crab.. this is, the general forum, and not the debate section. Therefore members aren't expected to read up on their knowledge before talking about it. Come now, Bloodrun. One doesn't need to have read up on anything; one simply needs common sense. If the government couldn't take away free will, then why would there be laws and prisons in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 and therefore you'd still be charged with murder anyway' date=' suicide is different[/quote'] Do I need to hit you in the head with a brick really hard to help you understand this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 that's a different form of taking away free will, Crab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 and therefore you'd still be charged with murder anyway' date=' suicide is different[/quote'] Do I need to hit you in the head with a brick really hard to help you understand this? A man came up to me and said"I'd like to change your mindBy hitting it with a rock," he said,"Though I am not unkind."We laughed at his little jokeAnd then I happily walked awayAnd hit my head on the wall of the jailWhere the two of us live today. that's a different form of taking away free will' date=' Crab.[/quote'] If you were right, you'd be right. But you're not, so nobody cares. The law is the law. If they can make laws against you killing others, they can also make laws against you killing yourself. The reason that conviction is impossible is not that the law itself can be challenged, as you claim; it is that there exists an extremely obvious cast-iron defense that no prosecution in the world would even attempt to break, since the nature of the crime automatically proves the defense correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 and therefore you'd still be charged with murder anyway' date=' suicide is different[/quote'] Do I need to hit you in the head with a brick really hard to help you understand this? the free will strip away is somewhat different in the cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodrun Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 what would you say for the unbreakable defense if you were put on that trial' date=' Crab? Me, I'd just say you can't take away my free will[/quote'] Your defense is garbage and so are you. The moment you have government, your free will is infringed upon; otherwise, the government has no power. Crab.. this is, the general forum, and not the debate section. Therefore members aren't expected to read up on their knowledge before talking about it. Come now, Bloodrun. One doesn't need to have read up on anything; one simply needs common sense. If the government couldn't take away free will, then why would there be laws and prisons in the first place? Free will cannot be taken away, because even if you threaten a man to the deepest core, that man still can do what he wants to do. With, or without consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 what would you say for the unbreakable defense if you were put on that trial' date=' Crab? Me, I'd just say you can't take away my free will[/quote'] Your defense is garbage and so are you. The moment you have government, your free will is infringed upon; otherwise, the government has no power. Crab.. this is, the general forum, and not the debate section. Therefore members aren't expected to read up on their knowledge before talking about it. Come now, Bloodrun. One doesn't need to have read up on anything; one simply needs common sense. If the government couldn't take away free will, then why would there be laws and prisons in the first place? Free will cannot be taken away, because even if you threaten a man to the deepest core, that man still can do what he wants to do. With, or without consequences. Many, many experiments on human nature prove otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azmodius Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Here is the answer to your question:There's no point to this topic. Regardless of whether or not they have the right to' date=' they have to ability.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodrun Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 what would you say for the unbreakable defense if you were put on that trial' date=' Crab? Me, I'd just say you can't take away my free will[/quote'] Your defense is garbage and so are you. The moment you have government, your free will is infringed upon; otherwise, the government has no power. Crab.. this is, the general forum, and not the debate section. Therefore members aren't expected to read up on their knowledge before talking about it. Come now, Bloodrun. One doesn't need to have read up on anything; one simply needs common sense. If the government couldn't take away free will, then why would there be laws and prisons in the first place? Free will cannot be taken away, because even if you threaten a man to the deepest core, that man still can do what he wants to do. With, or without consequences. Many, many experiments on human nature prove otherwise. Human nature?Each person acts differently towards different forces.What might make one man cry, will make another man kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 if you want to go Holocaust style, that is a crime against humanity and the people doing it sees human beings as sub-humans, without the slightest regard of life whatsoever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 what would you say for the unbreakable defense if you were put on that trial' date=' Crab? Me, I'd just say you can't take away my free will[/quote'] Your defense is garbage and so are you. The moment you have government, your free will is infringed upon; otherwise, the government has no power. Crab.. this is, the general forum, and not the debate section. Therefore members aren't expected to read up on their knowledge before talking about it. Come now, Bloodrun. One doesn't need to have read up on anything; one simply needs common sense. If the government couldn't take away free will, then why would there be laws and prisons in the first place? Free will cannot be taken away, because even if you threaten a man to the deepest core, that man still can do what he wants to do. With, or without consequences. Many, many experiments on human nature prove otherwise. Human nature?Each person acts differently towards different forces.What might make one man cry, will make another man kill. It's not a reliable source, but it's a quick enough read, and they're all labeled if you want more info from google:http://www.cracked.com/article_16239_5-psychological-experiments-that-prove-humanity-doomed.html So to say free will can not be taken away is inaccurate, if not downright wrong. [/tangent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodrun Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 what would you say for the unbreakable defense if you were put on that trial' date=' Crab? Me, I'd just say you can't take away my free will[/quote'] Your defense is garbage and so are you. The moment you have government, your free will is infringed upon; otherwise, the government has no power. Crab.. this is, the general forum, and not the debate section. Therefore members aren't expected to read up on their knowledge before talking about it. Come now, Bloodrun. One doesn't need to have read up on anything; one simply needs common sense. If the government couldn't take away free will, then why would there be laws and prisons in the first place? Free will cannot be taken away, because even if you threaten a man to the deepest core, that man still can do what he wants to do. With, or without consequences. Many, many experiments on human nature prove otherwise. Human nature?Each person acts differently towards different forces.What might make one man cry, will make another man kill. It's not a reliable source, but it's a quick enough read, and they're all labeled if you want more info from google:http://www.cracked.com/article_16239_5-psychological-experiments-that-prove-humanity-doomed.html So to say free will can not be taken away is inaccurate, if not downright wrong. [/tangent] Free will isn't being taken away, you are merely providing another reason for the target to change his/her mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azmodius Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 what would you say for the unbreakable defense if you were put on that trial' date=' Crab? Me, I'd just say you can't take away my free will[/quote'] Your defense is garbage and so are you. The moment you have government, your free will is infringed upon; otherwise, the government has no power. Crab.. this is, the general forum, and not the debate section. Therefore members aren't expected to read up on their knowledge before talking about it. Come now, Bloodrun. One doesn't need to have read up on anything; one simply needs common sense. If the government couldn't take away free will, then why would there be laws and prisons in the first place? Free will cannot be taken away, because even if you threaten a man to the deepest core, that man still can do what he wants to do. With, or without consequences. Many, many experiments on human nature prove otherwise. Human nature?Each person acts differently towards different forces.What might make one man cry, will make another man kill. It's not a reliable source, but it's a quick enough read, and they're all labeled if you want more info from google:http://www.cracked.com/article_16239_5-psychological-experiments-that-prove-humanity-doomed.html So to say free will can not be taken away is inaccurate, if not downright wrong. [/tangent] Free will isn't being taken away, you are merely providing another reason for the target to change his/her mind. Therefore, exchangeing their will with a seemingly better one. Therfore taking away their will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 To the point: People who do suicide correctly will get away with it, people who fail at it (lolattempted suicide) won't. The only way suicide can be punished is if the one trying to commit suicide fails, as for whether or not it's right, I'd think not. You can be all emo and kill yourself, but that'll impact many lives for the worse, so the best root is to suck it up and keep living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 that's going to depend if you see if there's anything left to live for, as the depressions could be too much for you and drive you to suicide, though that's more of a sign of weak endurance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 There's ALWAYS something left to live for. World's a big place, amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 exactly. But as they say, emotions/depression affects your thinking and judgment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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