Azmodius Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Terribly Underpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 And how would banning the left arm not solve the problem either? Because bannin' a Level 1 200 ATK 300 DEF Normal Spellcaster is so logical. Right.Explain how that wouldn't stop Exodia. Of course bannin' Left Arm stops Exodia. Whether it's logical is another matter' date=' one that I focus on.[/quote']It'll leave the game with more diversity if it's banned instead of Exodia's head. Just by a fraction, but still a better choice. Tell me exactly how bannin' a weenie Normal = more diversity. I can't tie a knot round it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Besides, to use The Quiff logic, Konami might design a card that would have an effect that let you chose a name of a card and have that card be treated as that name in the hand or something like that. If we just ban a limb, then the Head's effect might theoretically still go off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 And how would banning the left arm not solve the problem either? Because bannin' a Level 1 200 ATK 300 DEF Normal Spellcaster is so logical. Right.Explain how that wouldn't stop Exodia. Of course bannin' Left Arm stops Exodia. Whether it's logical is another matter' date=' one that I focus on.[/quote']It'll leave the game with more diversity if it's banned instead of Exodia's head. Just by a fraction, but still a better choice. Tell me exactly how bannin' a weenie Normal = more diversity. I can't tie a knot round it.1 card and 3 carbon copies > 4 carbon copies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 And how would banning the left arm not solve the problem either? Because bannin' a Level 1 200 ATK 300 DEF Normal Spellcaster is so logical. Right.Explain how that wouldn't stop Exodia. Of course bannin' Left Arm stops Exodia. Whether it's logical is another matter' date=' one that I focus on.[/quote']It'll leave the game with more diversity if it's banned instead of Exodia's head. Just by a fraction, but still a better choice. Tell me exactly how bannin' a weenie Normal = more diversity. I can't tie a knot round it.1 card and 3 carbon copies > 4 carbon copies You forget one very important factor: Whereas there is no logical reason for anyone to use Exodia's head anywhere, decks based around low-level Normal Monsters use swarm tactics with large numbers of such monsters. As a result, the four carbon copies would allow more use than the one card and three carbon copies. Furthermore, Exodia's head is the clear "culprit" here. To ban a perfectly innocuous Vanilla for the crime of being mentioned in the text of an Effect Monster whose effect has been deemed unacceptable is ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 And how would banning the left arm not solve the problem either? Because bannin' a Level 1 200 ATK 300 DEF Normal Spellcaster is so logical. Right.Explain how that wouldn't stop Exodia. Of course bannin' Left Arm stops Exodia. Whether it's logical is another matter' date=' one that I focus on.[/quote']It'll leave the game with more diversity if it's banned instead of Exodia's head. Just by a fraction, but still a better choice. Tell me exactly how bannin' a weenie Normal = more diversity. I can't tie a knot round it.1 card and 3 carbon copies > 4 carbon copies You forget one very important factor: Whereas there is no logical reason for anyone to use Exodia's head anywhere, decks based around low-level Normal Monsters use swarm tactics with large numbers of such monsters. As a result, the four carbon copies would allow more use than the one card and three carbon copies. Furthermore, Exodia's head is the clear "culprit" here. To ban a perfectly innocuous Vanilla for the crime of being mentioned in the text of an Effect Monster whose effect has been deemed unacceptable is ludicrous.You already have Level 2 Norms that surpass the limbs, and at any rate you wouldn't need another one unless you planned on using all 3 of the other limbs at 3 and then felt the need to use 10 or more of these, which is pointless in a vanilla deck. Didn't you want Krebons banned when the only crime it committed was being abusable with Emergency Teleport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 And how would banning the left arm not solve the problem either? Because bannin' a Level 1 200 ATK 300 DEF Normal Spellcaster is so logical. Right.Explain how that wouldn't stop Exodia. Of course bannin' Left Arm stops Exodia. Whether it's logical is another matter' date=' one that I focus on.[/quote']It'll leave the game with more diversity if it's banned instead of Exodia's head. Just by a fraction, but still a better choice. Tell me exactly how bannin' a weenie Normal = more diversity. I can't tie a knot round it.1 card and 3 carbon copies > 4 carbon copies You forget one very important factor: Whereas there is no logical reason for anyone to use Exodia's head anywhere, decks based around low-level Normal Monsters use swarm tactics with large numbers of such monsters. As a result, the four carbon copies would allow more use than the one card and three carbon copies. Furthermore, Exodia's head is the clear "culprit" here. To ban a perfectly innocuous Vanilla for the crime of being mentioned in the text of an Effect Monster whose effect has been deemed unacceptable is ludicrous.You already have Level 2 Norms that surpass the limbs, Level 2 and Level 1 are extremely different. See also: "Triangle Power". Furthermore, take note that there are only five Level 1 Normal Spellcasters in the game. Four are Exodia limbs; the fifth is Thousand-Eyes Idol. Hence, the limbs fill a significant niche. and at any rate you wouldn't need another one unless you planned on using all 3 of the other limbs at 3 and then felt the need to use 10 or more of these' date=' which is pointless in a vanilla deck.[/quote'] Considering that a low-level Vanilla deck can take advantage of running large numbers of such monsters through cards like Human-Wave Tactics and that one dressing room card, it is far more conceivable than some deck arbitrarily choosing to use a 1000/1000 Level 3 DARK Spellcaster that has no effect yet does not qualify for Vanilla support. Didn't you want Krebons banned when the only crime it committed was being abusable with Emergency Teleport? The whole Krebons/E-Tele/Mali situation is too complex to go into here, so let's go to a simpler but equivalent scenario: Rescue Cat versus Airbellum. The difference is that Exodia's head is the clear "culprit" card, having no purpose whatsoever beyond instantly winning the game, and it simply uses the limbs in order to use this effect. Neither Rescue Cat or Airbellum is a clear culprit, but necessity forces our hand. However, Rescue Cat has more utility outside of the combo than Airbellum does and contributes more to the game; Airbellum outside of the combo is little more than Tuner Beatstick #7654. As such, we ban Airbellum instead of Rescue Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 And how would banning the left arm not solve the problem either? Because bannin' a Level 1 200 ATK 300 DEF Normal Spellcaster is so logical. Right.Explain how that wouldn't stop Exodia. Of course bannin' Left Arm stops Exodia. Whether it's logical is another matter' date=' one that I focus on.[/quote']It'll leave the game with more diversity if it's banned instead of Exodia's head. Just by a fraction, but still a better choice. Tell me exactly how bannin' a weenie Normal = more diversity. I can't tie a knot round it.1 card and 3 carbon copies > 4 carbon copies You forget one very important factor: Whereas there is no logical reason for anyone to use Exodia's head anywhere, decks based around low-level Normal Monsters use swarm tactics with large numbers of such monsters. As a result, the four carbon copies would allow more use than the one card and three carbon copies. Furthermore, Exodia's head is the clear "culprit" here. To ban a perfectly innocuous Vanilla for the crime of being mentioned in the text of an Effect Monster whose effect has been deemed unacceptable is ludicrous.You already have Level 2 Norms that surpass the limbs, Level 2 and Level 1 are extremely different. See also: "Triangle Power". Furthermore, take note that there are only five Level 1 Normal Spellcasters in the game. Four are Exodia limbs; the fifth is Thousand-Eyes Idol. Hence, the limbs fill a significant niche. and at any rate you wouldn't need another one unless you planned on using all 3 of the other limbs at 3 and then felt the need to use 10 or more of these' date=' which is pointless in a vanilla deck.[/quote'] Considering that a low-level Vanilla deck can take advantage of running large numbers of such monsters through cards like Human-Wave Tactics and that one dressing room card, it is far more conceivable than some deck arbitrarily choosing to use a 1000/1000 Level 3 DARK Spellcaster that has no effect yet does not qualify for Vanilla support. Didn't you want Krebons banned when the only crime it committed was being abusable with Emergency Teleport? The whole Krebons/E-Tele/Mali situation is too complex to go into here' date=' so let's go to a simpler but equivalent scenario: Rescue Cat versus Airbellum. The difference is that Exodia's head is the clear "culprit" card, having no purpose whatsoever beyond instantly winning the game, and it simply uses the limbs in order to use this effect. Neither Rescue Cat or Airbellum is a clear culprit, but necessity forces our hand. However, Rescue Cat has more utility outside of the combo than Airbellum does and contributes more to the game; Airbellum outside of the combo is little more than Tuner Beatstick #7654. As such, we ban Airbellum instead of Rescue Cat.[/quote']Being a spellcaster doesn't really effect playability as a Level 1 Norm. In fact, it stifles it. I'd rather use a searchable and recyclable warrior than a spellcaster that doesn't benefit form spell counters. And once more, Human Wave Tactics has better targets for a Level 1 Norm. Exodia is an extremely precise, easily avoidable second time incident "culprit" card. Elma's Dagger would eventually put another card in jeopardy. So will E-Tele. So will Rescue Cat. If you ban a limb, Exodia's entire problem is solved, unless of course they create a card that while in the hand becomes the name of any card you choose, which is pretty much unfeasible. If it was a card that, while on the field became a card's name and furthermore had to be returned to the hand to make the victory a victory, Exodia would be hard to pull off and a very much stoppable technique through destruction of the monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logmon1 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I remember I once ended up summoning all five pieces to the field in a duel. My opponent was then dumb enough to play some card that returned them to my hand. lol. BTW; Left Arm OTK is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I remember I once ended up summoning all five pieces to the field in a duel. My opponent was then dumb enough to play some card that returned them to my hand. lol. BTW; Left Arm OTK is awesome. How did you do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I figuring he might have used Reasoning, Monster Gate, and Mystic Tomato to summon a few of the pieces.Anyway, I think the head should be banned. The Head has the best stats of the 5 pieces and has the win condition written on him. The other pieces don't really do anything without him, especially since Exodia Win isn't in the rules anymore, so the "treat the name of any card in your hand as any other card" card wouldn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 This card doesn't have to be a problem if it were to be banned. + takes one look + Ban it. BAN it. BAN IT. BANNIT. BANNIT! Bandit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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